Review: Detergent aisles of American supermarkets
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Other Way Round
At least in NYC.
Walgreens purchased DR.
At least in NYC.
Walgreens purchased DR.
No, sorry, I meant like 20/30 years ago. I seem to recall reading that Walgreen's once had a lot of locations in Manhattan and DR bought them up. If you look at picture's from the 70's you'll see Walgreen's there. Still have my DR umbrella (well, not DR brand). I'm over all the Osco's in Chicago becoming CVS except for Jewel-Osco combo's.
jerrod6
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At last
Sunday I went to the Superfresh store and it was stocked with Tide Vivid white + bright....whatever....but all they had was liquid. I really don't want the stuff with bleach alternative because I cannot use chlorine bleach in my machine, so I want an Oxygen bleach product.
Today I went to my local Target store which, the last time I was there had empty shelf space and no powders in sight, and the first shelf I saw was stocked with Tide Vivid White with bleach. They also had an He version so I bought a 52 load size box. One thing I noticed on the back of the box was an advertisement for liquid Tide vivid white + bright suggesting that you could use vivid boost packs for even better performance. So P&G is PUSHING the liquid version plus asking you to buy the vivid pacs in addition. I'm not buying that line from them and I am actually slightly offended by this.. If the single product is supposed to be new and improved and it is so good there should be no need for anything additional.
Tomorrow(Wednesday) I am going to wash a few white loads and see how this stuff performs.
Sunday I went to the Superfresh store and it was stocked with Tide Vivid white + bright....whatever....but all they had was liquid. I really don't want the stuff with bleach alternative because I cannot use chlorine bleach in my machine, so I want an Oxygen bleach product.
Today I went to my local Target store which, the last time I was there had empty shelf space and no powders in sight, and the first shelf I saw was stocked with Tide Vivid White with bleach. They also had an He version so I bought a 52 load size box. One thing I noticed on the back of the box was an advertisement for liquid Tide vivid white + bright suggesting that you could use vivid boost packs for even better performance. So P&G is PUSHING the liquid version plus asking you to buy the vivid pacs in addition. I'm not buying that line from them and I am actually slightly offended by this.. If the single product is supposed to be new and improved and it is so good there should be no need for anything additional.
Tomorrow(Wednesday) I am going to wash a few white loads and see how this stuff performs.
Jerrod -
There is no chlorine bleach in liquid Tide, Vivid labeled or otherwise. That's why the stuff is called "bleach alternative" because its an alternative to real chlorine bleach.
Sounds like the liquid is exactly what you're looking for as is the powder. I'd rather have the powder any day though, but its great that Target is carrying the powder. Last time I was at my local Target they had the HE powder version as well as the non-HE, and it seems the HE is hard to find for some folks on here.
Gordon
There is no chlorine bleach in liquid Tide, Vivid labeled or otherwise. That's why the stuff is called "bleach alternative" because its an alternative to real chlorine bleach.
Sounds like the liquid is exactly what you're looking for as is the powder. I'd rather have the powder any day though, but its great that Target is carrying the powder. Last time I was at my local Target they had the HE powder version as well as the non-HE, and it seems the HE is hard to find for some folks on here.
Gordon
jerrod6
Well-known member
Thanks Gordon
I was looking for something that would contain oxygen bleach just like Persil Megaperals for whites has. Tide without the bleach performs OK but not as good as Persil Megaperals so I was looking for a Tide that contained Oxygen bleach.
Like I mentioned Tide has the liquid advertised on the box and says that you get even better whitening and stain removable using the liquid vivid plus tide boost pods. I looked of the ingredients of the powder, the liquid and the pods. Like you said the liquid contains no actual bleach of any kind, the pods which they tell you to add in addition to the liquid contain sodium percarbonate. The powder contains sodium percarbonate. So why BUY two products(Tide boost pacs cost about $11 at my Target) to get almost the same thing as the powder already has. I get the feeling that the liquid with bleach alternative alone may not be as effect as the powder alone which contains sodium percarbonate oxygen bleach.
I have been trying to use Tide He products in my machine for the last 9 years. The problems were that there was no oxygen bleach, but beyond that the stuff could never be rinsed well. A few months ago I trid the newer formulation of Tide Total care liquid and the silicon in it helps to control the suds very well. I am hoping to have better success with cleaning and rinsing with This "new and improved" Tide with bleach.
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I was looking for something that would contain oxygen bleach just like Persil Megaperals for whites has. Tide without the bleach performs OK but not as good as Persil Megaperals so I was looking for a Tide that contained Oxygen bleach.
Like I mentioned Tide has the liquid advertised on the box and says that you get even better whitening and stain removable using the liquid vivid plus tide boost pods. I looked of the ingredients of the powder, the liquid and the pods. Like you said the liquid contains no actual bleach of any kind, the pods which they tell you to add in addition to the liquid contain sodium percarbonate. The powder contains sodium percarbonate. So why BUY two products(Tide boost pacs cost about $11 at my Target) to get almost the same thing as the powder already has. I get the feeling that the liquid with bleach alternative alone may not be as effect as the powder alone which contains sodium percarbonate oxygen bleach.
I have been trying to use Tide He products in my machine for the last 9 years. The problems were that there was no oxygen bleach, but beyond that the stuff could never be rinsed well. A few months ago I trid the newer formulation of Tide Total care liquid and the silicon in it helps to control the suds very well. I am hoping to have better success with cleaning and rinsing with This "new and improved" Tide with bleach.
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Pod Type Detergents and Laundry Boosters
Since it is possible to mix oxgyen bleach with enzymes, nor for that matter are liquid hydrogen peroxide laundry bleaches as effective as sodium percarbonate or perborate based, what to do?
Enter "pod" technology where liquid detergent and or (enzyme)boosters and powdered oxygen bleach are in one packet but yet each separate. This give shelf stability and allows both to retain their power until dissloved in water.
P&G amoung others had early versions of pods with their Tide "Stain Release" sachets,which must not have been a hit as they seemed to have vanished in favour of the new pods.
All this palver is about how liquid detergents have pretty much taken over the market share in many areas of the US and or EU but that causes some problems.
Liquid detergents do not contain bleaches and without such substances certains soils/stains will not shift. More over whites and colourfast items may appear dull and dingy after repeated washings. To some extent detergent makers overcame the last bit by boosting the amount and or type of bluing agents that make textiles *appear* whiter, but that does nothing to remove stains.
Liquid hydrogen peroxide long used by commercial laundries does not function well at temps <120F or even 140F. It also requires an alkaline pH in the wash water to really become effective. Most liquid laundry detergents since they are based on surfactants rather than washing soda and other base substances tend to be neutral to only slightly alkaline.
OTHO sodium percarbonate is not only effective in cold water, but brings along it's own alkaline pH to boot. This removes the need for much if any extra washing soda. You can save money and cut out the middleman by simply purchasing pure sodium percarbonate (Ecover sells it in small boxes, or from a bulk chemistry source), and add it along with liquid/gel detergent. The only worry is that putting both into the detergent dispenser at the same time can cause clumping. I get around this by putting the liquid or gel detergent into one of the dosing caps that came with Ariel "Excell" which goes into the drum, and placing the oxygen bleach into the dispenser drawer. *NEVER* place powdered oxygen bleach inside the drum/on top of laundry. Once wet the stuff will start to bleach and can cause colour loss/textile damage.
All things being equal a good powdered laundry detergent with an oxygen based bleaching system such as Persil, Ariel, TWB,etc should handle most laundry day problems on their own. For really stubborn soils/stains one could add a bit of extra sodium percarbonate if required.
Since it is possible to mix oxgyen bleach with enzymes, nor for that matter are liquid hydrogen peroxide laundry bleaches as effective as sodium percarbonate or perborate based, what to do?
Enter "pod" technology where liquid detergent and or (enzyme)boosters and powdered oxygen bleach are in one packet but yet each separate. This give shelf stability and allows both to retain their power until dissloved in water.
P&G amoung others had early versions of pods with their Tide "Stain Release" sachets,which must not have been a hit as they seemed to have vanished in favour of the new pods.
All this palver is about how liquid detergents have pretty much taken over the market share in many areas of the US and or EU but that causes some problems.
Liquid detergents do not contain bleaches and without such substances certains soils/stains will not shift. More over whites and colourfast items may appear dull and dingy after repeated washings. To some extent detergent makers overcame the last bit by boosting the amount and or type of bluing agents that make textiles *appear* whiter, but that does nothing to remove stains.
Liquid hydrogen peroxide long used by commercial laundries does not function well at temps <120F or even 140F. It also requires an alkaline pH in the wash water to really become effective. Most liquid laundry detergents since they are based on surfactants rather than washing soda and other base substances tend to be neutral to only slightly alkaline.
OTHO sodium percarbonate is not only effective in cold water, but brings along it's own alkaline pH to boot. This removes the need for much if any extra washing soda. You can save money and cut out the middleman by simply purchasing pure sodium percarbonate (Ecover sells it in small boxes, or from a bulk chemistry source), and add it along with liquid/gel detergent. The only worry is that putting both into the detergent dispenser at the same time can cause clumping. I get around this by putting the liquid or gel detergent into one of the dosing caps that came with Ariel "Excell" which goes into the drum, and placing the oxygen bleach into the dispenser drawer. *NEVER* place powdered oxygen bleach inside the drum/on top of laundry. Once wet the stuff will start to bleach and can cause colour loss/textile damage.
All things being equal a good powdered laundry detergent with an oxygen based bleaching system such as Persil, Ariel, TWB,etc should handle most laundry day problems on their own. For really stubborn soils/stains one could add a bit of extra sodium percarbonate if required.
Launderess, you're always such a fount of useful information. Thanks.
I'se Do Try
Every so often my college degree in marketing does come in handy! *LOL*
It really is amazing the amount of R&D consumer products makers put into "everything old is new again".
Back in the old days detergent packets simply told us to add bleach if necessary and when. Now after spending serious money for P&G TOL laundry detergents (Tide in it's vast number of incarnations), we are told to also purchase a "booster" in the form of Tide Pods to make up for whatever cleaning performance is lacking.
Meanwhile powdered TWB was the top rated detergent for how many years? It cleaned, whitened, and brightened plus removed most stains all by itself.
Forgot to add, anyone interesting in "sanitising" one's wash can simply add double or even triple the recommended dosage of sodium percarbonate (oxygen bleach). When you look at the various "hygiene" detergents sold in the UK and EU (Ariel, Persil) the only thing one finds is they contain more oxygen bleach than the standard versions.
Every so often my college degree in marketing does come in handy! *LOL*
It really is amazing the amount of R&D consumer products makers put into "everything old is new again".
Back in the old days detergent packets simply told us to add bleach if necessary and when. Now after spending serious money for P&G TOL laundry detergents (Tide in it's vast number of incarnations), we are told to also purchase a "booster" in the form of Tide Pods to make up for whatever cleaning performance is lacking.
Meanwhile powdered TWB was the top rated detergent for how many years? It cleaned, whitened, and brightened plus removed most stains all by itself.
Forgot to add, anyone interesting in "sanitising" one's wash can simply add double or even triple the recommended dosage of sodium percarbonate (oxygen bleach). When you look at the various "hygiene" detergents sold in the UK and EU (Ariel, Persil) the only thing one finds is they contain more oxygen bleach than the standard versions.
I know you had an explanation once about why Tide stopped advertising "removes 99.9% of bacteria" or some such, but I've forgotten. Did they start using less percarbonate?
jerrod6
Well-known member
I wonder how much percarbonate is in this new Tide? The box says it is safe for colors but advises you to do a test before using it. On the other hand Persil Universal Megaperls for whites and lights, warns you not to use that formula on colors. Of course they also sell Megaperls for colors which is bleach and optical brightener free.
Earlier this week I washed white sheets that my dog had soiled(solid waste) in TWB. It was one set of queen sheets and I used line 1 ( I think 3 tablespoons) since my machine is a smaller fl. I used a temp of 120F and the normal wash cycle which gives a 20 minute wash followed by two rinses. There were stains remaining.
I compared this to the previous time when these same sheets were soiled in the same manner and I used 1 tablespoon of Persil Megaperls. Same wash length, same temperature, and in both cases the sheets were sitting around for over a week before I washed them. Persil load emgergered with no stains remaining at all. Maybe a different intensity in the stain?
I was only going to use the TWB on white loads in place of Megaperls for whites and then use Tide Total Care for colors.
I am not into using washer additives and boosters I want one or two products that just work.
[this post was last edited: 9/7/2012-17:40]
Earlier this week I washed white sheets that my dog had soiled(solid waste) in TWB. It was one set of queen sheets and I used line 1 ( I think 3 tablespoons) since my machine is a smaller fl. I used a temp of 120F and the normal wash cycle which gives a 20 minute wash followed by two rinses. There were stains remaining.
I compared this to the previous time when these same sheets were soiled in the same manner and I used 1 tablespoon of Persil Megaperls. Same wash length, same temperature, and in both cases the sheets were sitting around for over a week before I washed them. Persil load emgergered with no stains remaining at all. Maybe a different intensity in the stain?
I was only going to use the TWB on white loads in place of Megaperls for whites and then use Tide Total Care for colors.
I am not into using washer additives and boosters I want one or two products that just work.
[this post was last edited: 9/7/2012-17:40]
P&G & The EPA
In the USA EPA rules/laws restrict claims about products providing disinfection properties and companies making such claims must submitt data that backs it up.
P&G was called out by the government to either "put up or shut up" about Tide with Hydrogen Peroxide (another way of saying oxygen bleach) claming to kill 99.9% of bacteria, they choose the latter.
Mind you anyone whom studied microbiology and or was familar with "germs" could point out at once that a majority of the bacteria P&G was claiming their new Tide was removing/killing would have been flushed away an or deactivated by simply washing in hot water/following good laundry techniques.
OTHO in Europe again there are versions of Persil, Ariel and other powdered detergents both commercial and domestic that are certifed by government bodies to disinfect laundry of germs such as MRSA, even at 40C. Some will provide total disinfection of even the most nasty germs at 140F if held for certain period of time.
Developed for use on linens from nursing homes, hospitals, elderly living centers, et al, these detergents are in keeping with the preference in the UK and EU for the use of oxygen bleaches in hot or boiling wash temps. Only difference is that with all the noise about "turning down the dial", some claim to work in warm or cold water.
In the USA EPA rules/laws restrict claims about products providing disinfection properties and companies making such claims must submitt data that backs it up.
P&G was called out by the government to either "put up or shut up" about Tide with Hydrogen Peroxide (another way of saying oxygen bleach) claming to kill 99.9% of bacteria, they choose the latter.
Mind you anyone whom studied microbiology and or was familar with "germs" could point out at once that a majority of the bacteria P&G was claiming their new Tide was removing/killing would have been flushed away an or deactivated by simply washing in hot water/following good laundry techniques.
OTHO in Europe again there are versions of Persil, Ariel and other powdered detergents both commercial and domestic that are certifed by government bodies to disinfect laundry of germs such as MRSA, even at 40C. Some will provide total disinfection of even the most nasty germs at 140F if held for certain period of time.
Developed for use on linens from nursing homes, hospitals, elderly living centers, et al, these detergents are in keeping with the preference in the UK and EU for the use of oxygen bleaches in hot or boiling wash temps. Only difference is that with all the noise about "turning down the dial", some claim to work in warm or cold water.
Apple Mango Tango HE
mrwash/Flo I was in our Family Dollar today and as always went by the detegents. They have the Apple Mango Tango powder in regular and HE. Thee are seveal across the States so might be one that will be near one of the cities yu go to here,
They also had the Oxydol in the big giant box that says uses 1 cup like the old detergent did. Also says it is HE.
For the Gain there were about 5 varities they had. Went by dish detergent and they have the Gain in the Apple Mango and it smelled just like the powdered detergent.
Hope this can help you get some.
mrwash/Flo I was in our Family Dollar today and as always went by the detegents. They have the Apple Mango Tango powder in regular and HE. Thee are seveal across the States so might be one that will be near one of the cities yu go to here,
They also had the Oxydol in the big giant box that says uses 1 cup like the old detergent did. Also says it is HE.
For the Gain there were about 5 varities they had. Went by dish detergent and they have the Gain in the Apple Mango and it smelled just like the powdered detergent.
Hope this can help you get some.
mickeyd
Well-known member
Hey FLO: Big smile thinking of you today ~
I went to our Ollie's this afternoon on a bike ride, and the first thing on the narrow-aisled detergent display right in the middle of the store was Gain Apple Mango Tango.
I basically walked right into it, nose to jug.
It was so much fun to see that after all the playful banter back and forth. A totally unexpected surprise. So Thanks.
I'm not sure if Ollie's is everywhere, kind of new here, maybe a year or so, but I bet you'll find a jolly Ollie on an upcoming flight.
"The Last Tango in Paris," LOL (an old Marlin Brando movie).
I went to our Ollie's this afternoon on a bike ride, and the first thing on the narrow-aisled detergent display right in the middle of the store was Gain Apple Mango Tango.
I basically walked right into it, nose to jug.
It was so much fun to see that after all the playful banter back and forth. A totally unexpected surprise. So Thanks.
I'm not sure if Ollie's is everywhere, kind of new here, maybe a year or so, but I bet you'll find a jolly Ollie on an upcoming flight.
"The Last Tango in Paris," LOL (an old Marlin Brando movie).
Laundry additives and smelly washer
Is there a connection between using Biz laundry booster along with All Free and Clear
and a washer that smells moldy. I never had a problem for 8 years with My Frigidaire front loader until I started using BIZ. Is it the enzymes?
Is there a connection between using Biz laundry booster along with All Free and Clear
and a washer that smells moldy. I never had a problem for 8 years with My Frigidaire front loader until I started using BIZ. Is it the enzymes?
danemodsandy
Well-known member
Another.....
....Powder user here.
It's my favorite bit for the planet - instead of heavy liquids in petrochemical-based bottles being trucked to me, I use powders in biodegradable cardboard boxes.
The enthusiasm for liquids escapes me - they're terribly expensive, bad for the planet and - if you're using the cap as a measure - not that easy to ration for smaller loads.
P.S.: I firmly believe Tide is anti-bacterial - I know of no self-respecting bacteria that would hang around P & G's scents any longer than necessary. * ducks and runs *
....Powder user here.
It's my favorite bit for the planet - instead of heavy liquids in petrochemical-based bottles being trucked to me, I use powders in biodegradable cardboard boxes.
The enthusiasm for liquids escapes me - they're terribly expensive, bad for the planet and - if you're using the cap as a measure - not that easy to ration for smaller loads.
P.S.: I firmly believe Tide is anti-bacterial - I know of no self-respecting bacteria that would hang around P & G's scents any longer than necessary. * ducks and runs *
