Reviews In For Whirlpool Powerwave Series
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You have to admit so far: There are only 2 reviews, and both complained about typical user caused issues.
The drying problem is usual on todays machines if no rinse agent is used.
The cleanig problem is often caused by wrong cycle selection, a bad detergent choice and/or pre-rinsing it self (the whole soil sensor thing).
And something blocking the detergent compartment is a problem that can happen to any DW. And it's nothing new that a cuttlery basket takes up space. And if the handles cause the blockage, I guess somebody is loading the DW wrong. From day one, forks and spoons were loaded handle down. Only knifes were handle up for safety reason. And if these block the door, just load them on the outsides and forks/spoons in the middle.
The drying problem is usual on todays machines if no rinse agent is used.
The cleanig problem is often caused by wrong cycle selection, a bad detergent choice and/or pre-rinsing it self (the whole soil sensor thing).
And something blocking the detergent compartment is a problem that can happen to any DW. And it's nothing new that a cuttlery basket takes up space. And if the handles cause the blockage, I guess somebody is loading the DW wrong. From day one, forks and spoons were loaded handle down. Only knifes were handle up for safety reason. And if these block the door, just load them on the outsides and forks/spoons in the middle.
"Top controls are awkward to use and you cannot see control lights under counter top"
lip
That's exactly why I won't have concealed controls on dishwashers. It's stupid, particularly if you are curious about status and function of your dishwasher. If you are so clueless and don't give a you know what once it's on, then have at it. No thanks!!!
And TOL features are only relegated to the concealed control panel models at the top end.
And what I think is really stupid is, why put a countdown display on a concealed control dishwasher--you cannot see the digits once the door is closed.
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lip
That's exactly why I won't have concealed controls on dishwashers. It's stupid, particularly if you are curious about status and function of your dishwasher. If you are so clueless and don't give a you know what once it's on, then have at it. No thanks!!!
And TOL features are only relegated to the concealed control panel models at the top end.
And what I think is really stupid is, why put a countdown display on a concealed control dishwasher--you cannot see the digits once the door is closed.
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I have clearly visible indicator lights on my DW and can't say I ever bother to look at them. The machine does what I want every time so I turn it on and walk away. Everyone has their likes and dislikes so it may not be for some but odds are 99% of the populations turn the DW on and walks away - many of us here are in the 1%.
laundromat
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My experience with Whirlpool dishwashers is good . I now have two convertibles under the Kenmore label they made for Sears. Both work great and are pre 2000 models. No pre rinsing. Excellent results. I use nothing but the Finish gel tabs and high temp wash and rinse with cool dry.
Yes, but we are talking about the new models...
I have looked at the WP line over and over... They all have the same cycles, the same options... The only difference is the outer panel and whether it is plastic or stainless steel tank... And a very wide price range...
And a filter... So if you use the dishwasher as a dishwasher (and not a rinser), your rinse water is filtered through the food washed off during the wash... Nice... Clean and sanitary, right?
Funny the Maytags have the disposal still and no filter...
I have looked at the WP line over and over... They all have the same cycles, the same options... The only difference is the outer panel and whether it is plastic or stainless steel tank... And a very wide price range...
And a filter... So if you use the dishwasher as a dishwasher (and not a rinser), your rinse water is filtered through the food washed off during the wash... Nice... Clean and sanitary, right?
Funny the Maytags have the disposal still and no filter...
Not to bring this conversation up again...
But where do you think all the food waste goes in a DW without filter? I mean, it can't magicly disapear...
But where do you think all the food waste goes in a DW without filter? I mean, it can't magicly disapear...
My mother-in-law's fiancee just had one of these installed in the house he just had built. It's identical to this minus the "Silverware shower". So far, he's ready to trash it.
Funny thing is, he and Angie (mother-in-law) asked me what I would recommend as far as appliances. I told him at a fair price, Whirlpool or Maytag would be his best bet. When I specified what dishwasher to look for, I told them an older Whirlpool, or a new Maytag, and specifically told them that if there is a removable filter at the bottom, AVOID AT ALL COSTS. What is sitting in that brand new kitchen when we come over? All stainless steel Whirlpools, and that terrible dishwasher right in the middle.
As flighty as they are, I'm sure they just said they wanted Whirlpools in stainless, so the contractors did just that and brought in the lowest-end you can get that came in SS. I've been over twice at their request to make sure everything is in order with the machine, and it runs exactly as "intended", and yet the poor mouse-sized pump can't blast grit off the plates and silverware. The sad thing is that this machine is by no means BOL, and actually is near the top end without having a SS interior.
I will say, however, the thing is silent. Granted, when you quickly open the door, there is water dripping from everything, and the wash arm is coasting down to a stop, but nothing so much as bounces out the door like it would if I opened my Maytag or the Whirlpool PC. So far the only method to use to get anything clean is to rinse everything off, leave an empty space between plates and bowls - a total waste of real estate - and make sure no piece of silverware is directly next to another despite having the slots in the basket. This method is paired with using Heavy Wash with Hi Temp, and Cascade Platinum. If so much as a piece of oatmeal or a stray noodle is on a plate when loaded, that whole order of operations falls through the roof.
Funny thing is, he and Angie (mother-in-law) asked me what I would recommend as far as appliances. I told him at a fair price, Whirlpool or Maytag would be his best bet. When I specified what dishwasher to look for, I told them an older Whirlpool, or a new Maytag, and specifically told them that if there is a removable filter at the bottom, AVOID AT ALL COSTS. What is sitting in that brand new kitchen when we come over? All stainless steel Whirlpools, and that terrible dishwasher right in the middle.
As flighty as they are, I'm sure they just said they wanted Whirlpools in stainless, so the contractors did just that and brought in the lowest-end you can get that came in SS. I've been over twice at their request to make sure everything is in order with the machine, and it runs exactly as "intended", and yet the poor mouse-sized pump can't blast grit off the plates and silverware. The sad thing is that this machine is by no means BOL, and actually is near the top end without having a SS interior.
I will say, however, the thing is silent. Granted, when you quickly open the door, there is water dripping from everything, and the wash arm is coasting down to a stop, but nothing so much as bounces out the door like it would if I opened my Maytag or the Whirlpool PC. So far the only method to use to get anything clean is to rinse everything off, leave an empty space between plates and bowls - a total waste of real estate - and make sure no piece of silverware is directly next to another despite having the slots in the basket. This method is paired with using Heavy Wash with Hi Temp, and Cascade Platinum. If so much as a piece of oatmeal or a stray noodle is on a plate when loaded, that whole order of operations falls through the roof.
whirlcool
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But where do you think all the food waste goes in a DW without filter? I mean, it can't magicly disapear...
If your dishwasher doesn't have a filter, it probably will have a food disposer in it which will chop up any food debris and send it down the drain with the water. That's what we have in our Maytag machine and never have any food kibbles and yibbles left, ever. And we don't prerinse either. A few months ago when I took our Maytag apart to remove some toothpicks and bread wire wraps from that area I looked at the disposer. It's a very sharp blade that spins around at high speed while the wash water passes over it.
I would call this a soft food disposer as I don't think it'll grind bones or anything like that but it is effective on soft foods. Last year sometime Karen put in a pasta pot with all the spaghetti left over in it too! When the load was done there was not one bit of the spaghetti left anywhere. Also the drain hole in the bottom of the dishwasher is quite large too. So a lot would fit down there.
If your dishwasher doesn't have a filter, it probably will have a food disposer in it which will chop up any food debris and send it down the drain with the water. That's what we have in our Maytag machine and never have any food kibbles and yibbles left, ever. And we don't prerinse either. A few months ago when I took our Maytag apart to remove some toothpicks and bread wire wraps from that area I looked at the disposer. It's a very sharp blade that spins around at high speed while the wash water passes over it.
I would call this a soft food disposer as I don't think it'll grind bones or anything like that but it is effective on soft foods. Last year sometime Karen put in a pasta pot with all the spaghetti left over in it too! When the load was done there was not one bit of the spaghetti left anywhere. Also the drain hole in the bottom of the dishwasher is quite large too. So a lot would fit down there.
Dishwashers with soft food disposals still have filters, but they automatically clean themselves out. After passing through the grinder, the pulverized soil is slung to the outside of the impeller chamber and up through a channel into an accumulator filter. The water can escape and be recirculated again, but the soil stays trapped, while the spray holes on the underside of the arm sweep over the screen to keep the soil from sticking. When the drain portion begins, the pressure pulls the check ball/valve open so that the soil can be sucked straight out the drain, while the wash arm sprays down on the screen to further flush everything away. So, in response to your comment, yes, it DOES magically disappear.
I don't believe for one second that a manual-filter style machine can outperform one with a disposal. For one thing, self-cleaning machines stay incredibly clean, compared to the gunk I've seen caked in and around a manual filter. I suspect this is because the soil is pulverized to such a size that it takes no effort at all to be flushed out by the drain pump, as well as having a rushing volume of water passing through the parts so that nothing has a chance to settle and stick. On manual machines, only the debris that was lucky to not become lodged in the mesh screening can be pulled out, and if its a noodle or a pea, it's still too big to go through the small gap under the filter assembly for the soil to be "flushed away".
I don't believe for one second that a manual-filter style machine can outperform one with a disposal. For one thing, self-cleaning machines stay incredibly clean, compared to the gunk I've seen caked in and around a manual filter. I suspect this is because the soil is pulverized to such a size that it takes no effort at all to be flushed out by the drain pump, as well as having a rushing volume of water passing through the parts so that nothing has a chance to settle and stick. On manual machines, only the debris that was lucky to not become lodged in the mesh screening can be pulled out, and if its a noodle or a pea, it's still too big to go through the small gap under the filter assembly for the soil to be "flushed away".
The WP Point Voyager schematics show a beautiful diagram of what happens during the journey of water and soil in the machine. Skip to page 9 and beyond.
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The machines still have filters which catch food particles. And by conclusion that means they pass their water through the food soil as well.
The machines still have filters which catch food particles. And by conclusion that means they pass their water through the food soil as well.
henene4, And by conclusion that means they pass their water through the food soil as well. Yes you are right but not for the entire cycle. The ground up particulates are drained away with each water change. So, hopefully by the last rinse there is nothing left. As opposed to the final rinse water being strained though the food scraps that washed off in the First wash or prewash. Hope this makes sense.
As Nate says: "Serial Dilution".
As Nate says: "Serial Dilution".
Guess the WP "PowerWave" isn't so Powerwave after all.Stick to buying VINTAGE dishwashers that people take out and replace with that junky Powerwave and then wonder why their dishes aren't clean-they would have been better off keeping their old washer or having it fixed.And the vitage machines don't take Forever to clean-The new ones just "Power Sprinkle" Your dishes!
whirlcool
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And when I took our Maytag apart to get the toothpick and wire wraps out I noted that there was not one bit of any food debris down in there or anywhere else in the machine. There were no odors, either. And like I said, we don't prerinse.
Funny, my Maytag never needs any special filter removal or cleaning & very rarely-to-never spews any food particles back on anything; my tall milkshake glass is usualy a "victim" of such...
And in the instance that it does, I just buy a bottle of DISHWASHER CLEANER (just set in the bottom rack of the empty cavern, poke a hole, run some hot water from the nearby sink tap, turn the dishwasher on, running on the recommended cycle, and you're DONE!) but I need to wipe along the door area...!
-- Dave
And in the instance that it does, I just buy a bottle of DISHWASHER CLEANER (just set in the bottom rack of the empty cavern, poke a hole, run some hot water from the nearby sink tap, turn the dishwasher on, running on the recommended cycle, and you're DONE!) but I need to wipe along the door area...!
-- Dave
Why would a well-designed dishwasher need a special cleaning agent? Every time it is used it cleans itself as well as its contents. There is something wrong with a dishwasher design that rquires a special product to keep it sanitary.
So DWs with filter do not drain at all through out the cycle? Did you ever use a DW with filter? I mean, I did not use one with a disposal, but I don't say they perform bad. I am just puzzeld why a disposal should be the only way to get clean dishes.
A somewhat well designed filter cleans it self just as well during a drain period. The dirty side of the filter is on the same sie as the drain pump port. So counter flow is used to flush away dirt. Just as it is on a DW with disposal.
A DW cleaner is part of good machine keeping, just like with a washer. It should keep it self clean as well, right? But still, every once in a while, you run a hot empty wash, maybe with citric acid or something, just to keep it clean. And you should do just as well with a DW.
Oh, and BTW: If your DW had a filter, you would not have to take it apart to get that foreign object out.
Our, am I wrong.
A somewhat well designed filter cleans it self just as well during a drain period. The dirty side of the filter is on the same sie as the drain pump port. So counter flow is used to flush away dirt. Just as it is on a DW with disposal.
A DW cleaner is part of good machine keeping, just like with a washer. It should keep it self clean as well, right? But still, every once in a while, you run a hot empty wash, maybe with citric acid or something, just to keep it clean. And you should do just as well with a DW.
Oh, and BTW: If your DW had a filter, you would not have to take it apart to get that foreign object out.
Our, am I wrong.
"A somewhat well designed filter cleans it self just as well during a drain period."
Unfortunately they don't. European dishwashers with filters leave the dishes dirty and unsanitary. I always eat off dirty plates and drink out of dirty glasses. My clothes are dirty as well because I have a front load washer that does not fill up halfway with water. And my clothes are also always damp because my European condenser dryer does not dry.
Unfortunately they don't. European dishwashers with filters leave the dishes dirty and unsanitary. I always eat off dirty plates and drink out of dirty glasses. My clothes are dirty as well because I have a front load washer that does not fill up halfway with water. And my clothes are also always damp because my European condenser dryer does not dry.
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