goes to work. Coming soon, World's First Zero Suds Detertgent! Patent Pending.
Cleans deep, rinses out quick!
Cleans deep, rinses out quick!
Rosalie's No Suds Detergent
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Jon, Whenever I have read articles about low-sudsing detergents, the cost of the ingredients to make a really good cleaning low sudsing detergent has always been a very much emphasized factor, especially when talking about the non-ionic (I think) surfactants. Is this what you discovered too? Going by your statements about rinsing, your detergent must be formulated to be non-sudsing instead of relying on a foam suppressor if it does not suds in the rinse because many products like the CO-OP that John used did not suds as much in the wash as they did in the rinse when the major portion of the suds suppressors were down the drain.
Is Rosalie's detergent a "botique brand" or a "botique detergent?"
Is Rosalie's detergent a "botique brand" or a "botique detergent?"
Tom, I think it will start out as a
boutique brand, but you are correct in the use of a non-ionic. It is formulated with the best ingredients from the 1950-60's and the latest of today's technology so its a marriage. It is a more expensive process but everyone loved how detergents worked in the 50'-60s. So a marriage of old a new tech was in order. People seem to think that it was the phosphates that made detergents great , but it was only the ability of phosphates to temper water so that the surfactants of the time could go ahead and do their work. Today's surfactants are products of those earlier times 30-40 years down the road. They are much more robust today.
Mine is the only HE detergent that will not suds up after a 20 minute washing, with most HE's on the market today the suds suppressor slowly combines with the surfactant and you have suds in the machine after 15-20 minutes, which is how long these new front loaders run these days.
And absolutely no suds at end of wash and in the FIRST rinse or any rinse after that.
boutique brand, but you are correct in the use of a non-ionic. It is formulated with the best ingredients from the 1950-60's and the latest of today's technology so its a marriage. It is a more expensive process but everyone loved how detergents worked in the 50'-60s. So a marriage of old a new tech was in order. People seem to think that it was the phosphates that made detergents great , but it was only the ability of phosphates to temper water so that the surfactants of the time could go ahead and do their work. Today's surfactants are products of those earlier times 30-40 years down the road. They are much more robust today.
Mine is the only HE detergent that will not suds up after a 20 minute washing, with most HE's on the market today the suds suppressor slowly combines with the surfactant and you have suds in the machine after 15-20 minutes, which is how long these new front loaders run these days.
And absolutely no suds at end of wash and in the FIRST rinse or any rinse after that.
macboy91si
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Rosalie's
Is this something that you have made? It also sounds like it would be great for spin-rinsing in a twin-tub machine, which froth detergent up pretty bad.
Also, off-topic but I just looked at your profile avatar and slit my Frappe all over my keyboard. I just though it was an Easy ad and then I clicked it. ROTF.
-Tim
Is this something that you have made? It also sounds like it would be great for spin-rinsing in a twin-tub machine, which froth detergent up pretty bad.
Also, off-topic but I just looked at your profile avatar and slit my Frappe all over my keyboard. I just though it was an Easy ad and then I clicked it. ROTF.
-Tim
One thing I can count on with both powder TIDE he and Persil is that they do not start foaming at high temperatures like a 180F wash. Other detergents get over excited at those temperatures. The foamiest part of the whole cycle with TIDE he is the first rinse in the W1918, which imediately follows the wash and is at a high water level so it churns up some suds, but they don't last beyond the first spin. Again, I think that even though the Tide ingredients state it uses non-ionic as well as ionic (sudsing) surfactants, it must also depend on a suds suppressor to allow sudsing to form in the first rinse.
Does it have the same fragrance that Dash had? I still remember the fragrance of our neighbor's basement. She bought Dash by the 20 lb. box (didn't they call that the "Home Laundry Size"?)for her early 60s Laundromat and it made the basement smell good. If Rosalie's Detergent smells like Dash, I would buy it to use as an air freshener.
Tom
What did Dash smell like? I remember "Lily of the Valley" but I know that wasn't it.
Tim, Yes its my own invention and glad you like the Avatar -we can thank Fred & Robert for that one!!!KErrslapp!
Tom- Tide to my knowledge doesn't use "non-ionics" anymore as they just invented a surfactant of their own that they are currently patenting and that is their main surfactant,it's an all temperature,hardy anionic. But I find its very hard to rinse out. I'm not wild about it and if you look at the posts on that garden site the old time users of Tide are very dissappointed in it as well. Have you noticed a change in the last two years at all?
Roscoe- I am looking at production currently and will keep everyone posted as to a due date. Thank you for your interest!!
Jon
What did Dash smell like? I remember "Lily of the Valley" but I know that wasn't it.
Tim, Yes its my own invention and glad you like the Avatar -we can thank Fred & Robert for that one!!!KErrslapp!
Tom- Tide to my knowledge doesn't use "non-ionics" anymore as they just invented a surfactant of their own that they are currently patenting and that is their main surfactant,it's an all temperature,hardy anionic. But I find its very hard to rinse out. I'm not wild about it and if you look at the posts on that garden site the old time users of Tide are very dissappointed in it as well. Have you noticed a change in the last two years at all?
Roscoe- I am looking at production currently and will keep everyone posted as to a due date. Thank you for your interest!!
Jon
maytagbear
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I am very interested!
Will it be for every Automatic? Some of us only have top-loaders.
I am deeply interested in a non-sudsing laundry detergent.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Will it be for every Automatic? Some of us only have top-loaders.
I am deeply interested in a non-sudsing laundry detergent.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
All of my Tide is OLD, like me; older than two years for sure. I bought it on sale at Target with coupons and probably have enough of the 80 load boxes (that last me for double that number at least) to keep me washing for several years and that is in addition to all of the other detergents. I have not been back to Target since the boycott was announced, but have not missed it.
If I add STPP to Rosalie's NoSuds, will i get suds or some violent reaction like light coming from inside the washer?
If I add STPP to Rosalie's NoSuds, will i get suds or some violent reaction like light coming from inside the washer?
Very cool that an AW.org member is doing this!
Perhaps you can get your own TLC program?
Perhaps you can get your own TLC program?
1) The promise of a non-sudsing detergent has me cheering. I've been on a need-ending quest for the ultimate clean-rinsing detergent for loads of bath towels.
2) Why is your video categorized as "comedy" at YouTube? You aren't pulling our leg, are you Jon?
3) If this is legit, please put me at the top of your mail order list!!
2) Why is your video categorized as "comedy" at YouTube? You aren't pulling our leg, are you Jon?
3) If this is legit, please put me at the top of your mail order list!!
No sudsing detergent sounds interesting. Have you tried it at all temperatures? I wonder how it will behave in a boil wash. Keep us informed, I'm looking forward to try some.
No Joke everyone!
Gene thank you for mentioning that, I tried to change that You Tube category yesterday, I'll go back and check. I posted it from my iblab and the buttons are very small.
Yes it does work in traditional Top Loaders just fine, you just need more of it, most say like a Maytag 9 pounder take two scoops maybe 3 for extra soils.
Louis I have tried Rosalie's with the heat boost cycle on the SQ which only gets the water to 146F-63C. It works even better since the enzymes have a longer time to work. The enzymes stop working after 130F.
It didn't suds up and wow o wow did the whites come clean. I even took in 5 shirts from the dry cleaner next door to me. They had set stains in cotton 4 years old, even HE couldn't remove. Spot treated them with Rosalie's, then ran them through with more Rosalie's on the heat boost cycle--after 4 years in the shirts-- the stains were GONE!
I am using him as one of my testimonials!
Right now I am in negotiations with a contract manufacturer to produce it now that all the patents are filed. The lawyers kept me sequestered about this until it was all filed.
Gene thank you for mentioning that, I tried to change that You Tube category yesterday, I'll go back and check. I posted it from my iblab and the buttons are very small.
Yes it does work in traditional Top Loaders just fine, you just need more of it, most say like a Maytag 9 pounder take two scoops maybe 3 for extra soils.
Louis I have tried Rosalie's with the heat boost cycle on the SQ which only gets the water to 146F-63C. It works even better since the enzymes have a longer time to work. The enzymes stop working after 130F.
It didn't suds up and wow o wow did the whites come clean. I even took in 5 shirts from the dry cleaner next door to me. They had set stains in cotton 4 years old, even HE couldn't remove. Spot treated them with Rosalie's, then ran them through with more Rosalie's on the heat boost cycle--after 4 years in the shirts-- the stains were GONE!
I am using him as one of my testimonials!
Right now I am in negotiations with a contract manufacturer to produce it now that all the patents are filed. The lawyers kept me sequestered about this until it was all filed.
Looks and sounds great. The scent is crucial, have you settled on one?
I checked my mailbox again today and even dug out the Sunday paper baggie to be sure but alas, no samples... I'll just keep suppressing my suds with a whip and chair, but it's no trouble
I checked my mailbox again today and even dug out the Sunday paper baggie to be sure but alas, no samples... I'll just keep suppressing my suds with a whip and chair, but it's no trouble
OMG
Its a good thing I love you!
Yes its on its way, I have two scents, ginger-verbena and Australian Floral and of course no scent -YEEUCH!
Its a good thing I love you!
Yes its on its way, I have two scents, ginger-verbena and Australian Floral and of course no scent -YEEUCH!
Must be exciting to create a new detergent.
Just out of curiousity, will it come as a powder or liquid ? OBAs, bleaches ?
Is it going to be cruelty free ?
Just out of curiousity, will it come as a powder or liquid ? OBAs, bleaches ?
Is it going to be cruelty free ?
There is only one animal that he could test it on, and belief me, he wouldn't!
paulc
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Jetcone
Sounds like you have developed a truly amazing detergent!!! Congratulations and I look forward to hearing more about it.
PaulC
Sounds like you have developed a truly amazing detergent!!! Congratulations and I look forward to hearing more about it.
PaulC
Paul
It is unique thats for sure.
It is a powder, it is green, my formula can have the cleaning agents reduced by 20% ( and does currently) and still have the same cleaning power of any regular HE detergent out there, so that makes it very green.
Being a powder makes it green. Its buffered for hard water too. I haven't done extensive hard water testing yet.
There are no OBA, bleach etc. Every organic compound in it is biodegradable. I am told by my manufacturer even the by-products of degradation are safe for fish.
No Louis I wouldn't use it on Artey , in fact the on the second round of production last winter I almost killed him when I fogged up the entire house with surfactant merrily spraying away in the basement unaware of what I was doing!! We all have to learn!
It is unique thats for sure.
It is a powder, it is green, my formula can have the cleaning agents reduced by 20% ( and does currently) and still have the same cleaning power of any regular HE detergent out there, so that makes it very green.
Being a powder makes it green. Its buffered for hard water too. I haven't done extensive hard water testing yet.
There are no OBA, bleach etc. Every organic compound in it is biodegradable. I am told by my manufacturer even the by-products of degradation are safe for fish.
No Louis I wouldn't use it on Artey , in fact the on the second round of production last winter I almost killed him when I fogged up the entire house with surfactant merrily spraying away in the basement unaware of what I was doing!! We all have to learn!
mysteryclock
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Sign me up for testing with hard water - ours is like a rock here in Middle TN! Having two small kids, I'm sure I put it up against a variety of hard to remove and unpleasant stains....
Goodness, I think Artey deserves being mentioned on the box, or perhaps even a little picture!
maytagbear
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Totally agree with Louis-
Artey should be on the box!!!
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Artey should be on the box!!!
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Ginger verbena... Did we sample that last summer? Sounds great, I love verbena. How does the scent last through the dryer?
peterh770
Well-known member
I wonder if there was a way...that if you took a significant sample of a vintage detergent, such has Dash or Punch or Cold Power or Bold or OXYDOL, to a chemist, that they would find a way to get enough scent compound out of it to analyze and recreate...
Looking forward
To getting the trials samples, lets see what those twinnys, vintage & uber modern machines make of it....
There has only been one bio powder that produced no suds, a milky wash liquor, zero sudz and clear after the first rinse that I`ve used and it was a pleasure to use in the twinnys as well as the new stuff....we thought they where onto a winner as it was a big super own brand, but only lasted one season before the formula was changed to more sudz...
For those with twinnys we use the low foam auto version always as the "Handwash or Twintub" will have you rinsing forever!!!
To getting the trials samples, lets see what those twinnys, vintage & uber modern machines make of it....
There has only been one bio powder that produced no suds, a milky wash liquor, zero sudz and clear after the first rinse that I`ve used and it was a pleasure to use in the twinnys as well as the new stuff....we thought they where onto a winner as it was a big super own brand, but only lasted one season before the formula was changed to more sudz...
For those with twinnys we use the low foam auto version always as the "Handwash or Twintub" will have you rinsing forever!!!
Jon, You could appeal to a very large market if you put Artey's picture & name on the box with a statement about no animal testing, BUT it has to be emphasized up front that it does not suds. Lack of foam was what doomed the attempt in the 90s by the major manufacturers when they tried to market low sudsing versions to TIDE and other formerly high-sudsing brands. The lack of sudsing is why I figured it would be, at least at the start, a botique detergent. It would also broaden the market appeal to have a kosher certification for the product.
I just rewatched your video and the sudsing reminds me of what we got with AD from Colgate back in the mid 60s. Of course, the machine did not pause and reverse, but that was the type of sudsing.
I just rewatched your video and the sudsing reminds me of what we got with AD from Colgate back in the mid 60s. Of course, the machine did not pause and reverse, but that was the type of sudsing.
I HAD ARTEY
on the label and he got major rejection from several people, all had the exact same thing to say
WHAT IS HE DOING ON THE BOX< is this for dogs or laundry!
So my graphic artist took him off, I think down the road he'll make a reappearance!
Yes Tom the whole niche will be centered around the NO SUDS.
Our slogan which is in for copyright is "ZERO SUDS!=CLEAN DUDS!"
We film the first commercial in May and it will be a tutorial on how suds never cleaned any clothing even in grandma's time.
When its done I'll put a link up here.
on the label and he got major rejection from several people, all had the exact same thing to say
WHAT IS HE DOING ON THE BOX< is this for dogs or laundry!
So my graphic artist took him off, I think down the road he'll make a reappearance!
Yes Tom the whole niche will be centered around the NO SUDS.
Our slogan which is in for copyright is "ZERO SUDS!=CLEAN DUDS!"
We film the first commercial in May and it will be a tutorial on how suds never cleaned any clothing even in grandma's time.
When its done I'll put a link up here.
If someone could sketch you a tiny image of Artey in the Jugendstil style of the old P&G logo, maybe just for the backside small prints of the soap box, that would be really cool
revvinkevin
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So Jon,
Are you plannning to bring a suitcase full of samples to share when you head West next month??
If not you may be turned away at the door....
hehe
(stands tall and walks SLOWLY away....)
Kevin
Are you plannning to bring a suitcase full of samples to share when you head West next month??
If not you may be turned away at the door....
hehe
(stands tall and walks SLOWLY away....)
Kevin
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