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Ge

The machine cleans great, rollover is great, the smart dispense works great too it mixes the detergent with water before it is dispensed, i got the dryer too, i love the dryer! It dries a load of towels in 30 min
 
Ge

Another video, caught it at the end of the wash phase, it switches to a low agitation speed at the end to help distribute the clothes evenly before the spin.

 
Ge

Yes it has steam, even before the sensing begins it does a hot water line purge for about one min while the drain pump is draining, then the pump turns off and the tub rotates to saturate the clothes, the water shuts off and the internal heater turns on and the tub keeps rotating for about ten minutes, the wash cycle then goes into regular program after ten min
 
Rick,

Corporate chicanery. You had me LOL on that one. Excellent use of the English language.

Brian

p.s. And French, as I study the etymology.[this post was last edited: 1/3/2014-06:29]
 
WASHMAN.......

PLEASE KEEP POSTING YOUR VIDEOS! My AWN542 is gonna be five years old this year, I bought my mother one, and talked my brother and sister into buying the same washer and dryer as my mother and me. Quality speaks for itself....$789 FOR A WASHER NOW THAT IS REPAIRABLE AND WILL LAST YEARS that comes with the longest warranty in the industry, or $1000.00 an oversized bucket full of plastic parts that washes with a teaspoon of water with a one year warranty. I hate GE, and I used to be the biggest GE fan in the country, all I would buy was GE. My reasons are political...I will not support any company that has ties to the current administration...ie the CEO of GE is a jobs czar?? Anyway the Whirlpool family of appliances will do just fine in the kitchen, and in the laundry room it is Speed Queen!

SPEED QUEEN FRONT OR TOP LOADERS, make a smart investment, not a mistake! I think I just came up with Alliance's new advertising campaign!
MIKE
 
Thanks for your support MTN1584

Going against "trends" can be a tough, thankless job but someone has to do it. Since I have no wife or kids, I figured might as well!

Speaking of trends, I see more and more youtube vids of extremely pissed off consumers venting over their HE TL or FL broken after 1-3 years of use. While this is anecdotal at best as far as pure research goes, it is refreshing to see posters on u tube stating they are looking for a used old school TL or a new SQ. It is just a shame they bought the hype about "new" technology and the supposedly "feel good" miniscule water use only to discover a rash of problems they never even thought of. And the fact a great many are acting as unpaid development engineers after paying upwards of 4 figures is really an insult.

Nevertheless, I do appreciate advances in technology.........when it makes sense. I have been in IT for nearly 20 years now so I know a thing or two about technology. And some of the advancements are almost mind boggling.

But in the laundry room, I am not at all convinced that steam, eco wash, sani-wash, and the like are of any useful value. Nor do I believe we need to "sanitize" our laundry lest we risk bacterial contamination and sickness. After all, Granny used her Maytag wringer washer on the front porch or on the back of the house with wood stove heated water. My dad grew up in S. Indiana this way and with 5 kids in the family, no one got sick from laundry. In fact, he knows what a "2 holer" means. I will leave it to the reader to figure that one out!

When one looks at the constuct of garments that are machine washable, what is the most common component?
Cotton. And has been for years as we moved away from the "polyester palace" of the 1970's. Mercerized cotton dress shirts or polo shirts are a bit like poly as they can and do wrinkle severely but they are still all cotton.

So why are bath and kitchen towels constructed from cotton? Because it absorbs water! Even an elementary school kid can figure this one out. So, following along here, if the vast majority of garments are cotton and cotton absorbs water (how much in relation to the weight of the garment I have no idea) then why oh why are we being force fed this absurd notion that we can use less water and somehow, due to the mis application of technology, STILL have clean laundry?

We can't. As are many youtubers figuring out albeit the hard way.

Then add the longer cycles along with special "cleaning" cycles and I really do wonder what in the world is going on here? Never, in 14 years of use, did I "clean" my GE profile, plastic basket and all, and nor do I plan to "clean" the SQ. Well the outside and top of course but I will never buy some Affresh or whatnot and waste time and water "cleaning" the SQ. Never.

Now I could accept all of this if either of two conditions were met:
1. the free market demanded it...........or
2. It was put to a voter referendum.

In either case, it is an example of the people wanting this change, not a collection of pencil pushing, unelected, never held accountable bureaucrats pushing this nonsense on us with no recourse. Throw in some rather dubious marketing and you really have the makings of a thought control situation here and a lot of unhappy launderers.

But there are benefits. SQ contacted me privately via FB asking for my mailing addy. I wrote back, asking why. Well, due to my positive affirmations of their product, they wanted to send me some branded merchandise. Along with that, I also got a handwritten thank you card from their VP of sales for advocating their lineup of TL machines. I posted some pix in a thread, can't recall which one though.

So is SQ the best TL ever? That naturally is up for debate. Is it the best machine out there now? I believe so when one applies logical criteria with regard to laundering. Notice I said "logical". Not feel good wishy washy (no pun intended) feelings about saving the planet. Not because GMA and CR told you so. Not because you feel compelled because the government, for reasons that defy logic, mandates you use less water when there is no credible evidence to support such a claim in the first place. But when you come right down to it, SQ is simply the last of the old school machines that served us quite well for decades and no one bitched about hour long cycles or having to use special HE detergent when cheaper Rinso or Oxydol was still available. And those machines were built to last. I'm talking about the old Maytags, GE, Frigidaires, Norges, Kelvinators and the like. I get a real kick watching one of those oldies on youtube sloshing away, doing justice to dirty laundry. I really feel proud of the chaps on here that salvaged an old horse from the junk pile and restored it to pristine condition and use them on a daily basis. And I dig spin drains!

Now if I can only find out where the missing 30 degrees of agitation stroke is on my AWN542, all will be right with the world.

Below is one of the first vids I took of the SQ in action. Check out that massive tub indexing action!

 
Ok, I get your point, washman, but I ahve to say one thing:
There is a way to clean clothes as well as earlier, while still using about 40% less water and thus, less energy.
See, I live in Germany, and we always had frontloaders.

Now we take a washer, manufactured 30-40 years ago. Like a Miele: Did 5kg of laundry in 1h, at 60°C using about 150-170l and 1.5-2 kwh of energy.
The results: Sparkling!

Now, jump to a point 20 years later, Mieles still hold 5kg, but they used like 90l and 1.2-1.5 kwh, detergents developt further, cycle time just 20-30 min more.
Results: Still sparkling.

Now we take a Miele made 2005 (indeed, arround 2004-2007, the less energy and water, more capacity trend started). The washers now used 50l on the standard cycle, 60l with Water+ (which was used in most households I know) and about 1kwh. Time clocks in at 2h.
Results: Still sparkling!

And now, the latest thing in technology: Our Panasonic NA148VG4. It uses, ugh, roud about 80-100l and 1.2-1.4kwh of energy for its 8kg load and takes roughly 2:40h.
Results: AS SPARKLING AS EVER BEFORE!!!

Ok, and now the point: We still use the same cycles! We don't use ECO on normal loads (which would save up to 5 liters each kg), we still wash at 40°/60° and still rinse 3 times and still use powderd detergent and still don't overload our washers and still use citric acid evry 4 months at 95° in the washer and still care about them.

The trick is: Knowing how to use, how to care and how to buy a washing machine.
 
You make some good points henene4

But I noticed one thing in each of your examples: The wash time gets progressively longer.

Sorry, but I would rather spend time doing other things than waiting for the wash to get done. I have a crazy work schedule that involves both split and shift work; I simply cannot fathom setting aside a huge block of time for laundry. Some days, I do two loads because I'm out of wearables. Thus, I am willing to trade higher energy use for faster wash times. Perhaps when I am retired or independently wealthy, whichever comes first, sure, I will accept longer wash times.

Nevertheless, had Miele still offered the 4840 (I think this is the right model), I would have bought that unit but my local Miele dealer said they stopped shipping them to the US and the replacement model was much smaller. That was a deal breaker. And a sad one also because I researched the hell out of Miele and found them to be built like a Tiger tank with no regard to asinine penny pinching so commonly found in US appliances.
 
You know, I'll say one thing...

Even though conventional top loaders use so much water, the one thing I can really appreciate is that they get the job done fast.

My 2003 GE TL machine completed a cycle in about 25 minutes. It used 180 Litres of water during a cycle. That's almost considered obscene these days, isn't it?

In comparison, my Huebsch front loader completes a load in about 40 minutes, which is still pretty fast, but it only uses about 80 Litres of water instead.

This type of thread is a very common thing you guys are going to see on here. Someone will get disillusioned with their TL/FL HE machine and they'll come here looking for suggestions.. and of course, everyone is going to suggest Speed Queen. The poster will replace their washer with a SQ and they'll be happy.

I wish Alliance all the best. If things keep going this way, they'll eventually push all of the rest of the washer/dryer manufacturers out of business, unless they re-think their strategies and learn a thing or two from them.
 
FWIW Alliance

has expanded production facilities twice in the last 3 years or so. One expansion was for small frame washers, aka domestic. That would suggest that demand for their TL machines is really soaring.

What I would like to see and I know this is 100% wishful thinking, is a return to the days when we had multiple independent manufacturers of washing machines. With so many mergers, buyouts, acquisitions, etc, there really isn't much difference in machines these days.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-vintag...118?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23337634b6

Ok, forget this is an old SQ ad but look at the small print on the bottom. It reads in part "...........the makers of 18 leading washers......" Imagine the choices, I mean real choices, the consumer had almost 30 years ago! Norge, Easy, Blackstone, Hamilton, AIMCEE, Kelvinator. Wow! Each machine with its own nuances and quirks. Not badge engineered clone machines like today.

Ah the good old days............
 
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Ge

Washman you are right! Brands mean nothing anymore! A good example is the whirlpool corporation, how many brands have they aquired now? Close to seven or more?
 
I think you covered it toploader1984

Similar to when WCI gobbled up Kelvinator, Westinghouse, Frigidaire... Gibson, Tappan.

I chuckle when I hear people say, boy Sears makes great tools. Uh, no they don't. Actually Sears USED to sell great tools when Dahaher supplied the Craftsman line but not anymore.

Or one of the very few instances when I set foot in SprawlMart and overheard some sheeple........oh wow, honey look, GE is back making fans again! Curious, I flipped the box over and said, dist by Walmart Stores, Bentonville Ark. And of course, the fan was made in China. Big surprise eh? Little secret, GE got out of the small appliance biz in the 80's when Neutron Jack Welch said be either #1 or #2 or sell the business.

Or if you ventured into one of your local BIG BOX stores, Lowes in this case, you'll see GE branded holiday light bulbs. GE hasn't made its own holiday light sets since Jimmy Carter was president. But the name lives on.

Brand names IMHO don't carry as much weight as they once did. Not when the vast majority of stuff is made by contract factories in the Far East for the lowest possible price. Nevertheless, Harvard and Wharton continue to churn out "brand managers" like tubes of toothpaste. I recall GM once hired a guy from P&G to "manage" 5 car divisions. Seemed he thought selling a Pontiac was the same as selling a jug of Tide. We all know how well that worked!

Cub Cadet used to be a stellar piece of equipment. Well it was until MTD picked it up from IHC for a song. For a while, MTD left well enough alone. But over time, they cheapened it down so it could be placed in your local BIG BOX. Save for the yellow and white paint, it is no more the mower than a no name MTD sold at Tractor Supply. Go look at Bolens, Gravely, White, and Troy Bilt. Or better yet, take a close look at the Ariens front engine riders. Notice the ID tag on the back? See where it says Spartanburg SC? Yup, AYP American yard Products makes that, not Ariens.

Honestly, how many people are fooled when buying a Maytag these days when under the hood, it is a Whirlpool through and through?

Fact it, most sheeple could simply care less. And manufacturers know this and capitalize on it big time.
 
WP Brands

You left out one of WPs current top brands, JennAir.

Back to the original thread topic,

As an appliance sales and service professional GE does have good customer service in many cases, BUT I have not seen ANY GE laundry appliances built since about 1995 that were durable, many perform very well and get good initial consumer ratings, but none are very repairable or offer long term durability.

Like it or not Whirlpool is still the world leader in home laundry appliances.

The very best washer for long term durability and economical repair are Speed Queen
Front Load Washers. SQs TL washers are good buys with decent performance, but are old fashioned in construction and performance. I believe the SQ TL washers will be about average in repair rate over their life span and most people will either get tired of them and replace them or they will be replaced when they have problems with the aluminium transmission or have main seal or bearing problems. SQ TL washers are not built for easy or economical repairs to the drive system, so few will likely ever get repaired.

John L.
 

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