wft2800
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I do have two cats, but surely if one keeps the pine oil away from them, there'd be no problem?
I'd really appreciate advice on dosage quantities.
I'd really appreciate advice on dosage quantities.
Sanitizing Laundry Without Chlorine Bleach
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John, I'm using the Lysol Disinfec but I'm not sure I see and thing different in load. Are you noticing any results?
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What difference would you expect? I'm not getting it. I use it because I just want anything my kitty picks up on is fur to get washed away. And that includes his grooming his fur. I don't use that Lysol disinfectant unless there's a reason to.
I'm pleased because it really doesn't leave any perceptible odor. I don't like strong laundry odors; to me, that's why I wear deodorant and occasionally, cologne.
So no, it doesn't get anything cleaner if that's what you're wondering. But then, I use Borax 95% of the time at least along with, lately, one of those Persils. And I'm using 6 of those wool dryer balls bought on Amazon with A&H dryer sheets.
What difference would you expect? I'm not getting it. I use it because I just want anything my kitty picks up on is fur to get washed away. And that includes his grooming his fur. I don't use that Lysol disinfectant unless there's a reason to.
I'm pleased because it really doesn't leave any perceptible odor. I don't like strong laundry odors; to me, that's why I wear deodorant and occasionally, cologne.
So no, it doesn't get anything cleaner if that's what you're wondering. But then, I use Borax 95% of the time at least along with, lately, one of those Persils. And I'm using 6 of those wool dryer balls bought on Amazon with A&H dryer sheets.
John that is interesting, mine has a very noticeable smell, nice but strong and that's with going for a second rinse. My original ? related to the fact that I don't notice any difference in load w or wo beside the smell.
norgeway
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Just do what my. Grandmother did
Washcloths dishtowels and my diapers were boiled then washed she kept a pail just for boiling she rinsed everything then boiled it because she was not having germs in her frigidaire. Lol
Washcloths dishtowels and my diapers were boiled then washed she kept a pail just for boiling she rinsed everything then boiled it because she was not having germs in her frigidaire. Lol
hmmmm, boiling doesn't disinfect anything. hmmmmmm.
I think it's better to say that boiling laundry sanatizes things. Disinfecting is a higher standard.
Hmmmm...
Why do you hide where you live? It couldn't be that awful.
As for boiling, my suggestion is that when you need a surgical procedure in the future, that you tell the surgeon and the surgical crew that they don't need to use any of that silly autoclave heat or chemical disinfecting--that boiling will do just fine for you.
And, of course, be sure and let the USDA know that all of us who can meats and vegetables don't really need the high heat that pressure canning provides. No, we should just boil everything, that those nasty botulism spores don't like Americans (I'm assuming you live in the US, though I don't know why).
True, if you can't do anything else with water, you're instructed to boil it as a precaution. However, that doesn't disinfect.
But that, of course, is your risk, and hmmmmm, one you seem ready to take. Hmmmm...
Why do you hide where you live? It couldn't be that awful.
As for boiling, my suggestion is that when you need a surgical procedure in the future, that you tell the surgeon and the surgical crew that they don't need to use any of that silly autoclave heat or chemical disinfecting--that boiling will do just fine for you.
And, of course, be sure and let the USDA know that all of us who can meats and vegetables don't really need the high heat that pressure canning provides. No, we should just boil everything, that those nasty botulism spores don't like Americans (I'm assuming you live in the US, though I don't know why).
True, if you can't do anything else with water, you're instructed to boil it as a precaution. However, that doesn't disinfect.
But that, of course, is your risk, and hmmmmm, one you seem ready to take. Hmmmm...
John,
There's quite a few of us who allow some Tennessee windage to our places of domicile, real names, etc. Once burned, twice shy. It's probably best to accept that.
One of the things I learned from a dear friend who was an emergency room doctor in Munich for many years:
1) Antisepsis is a goal to be sought, but never achieved.
2) You remove the gross dirt first, then you go for the pathogens.
She is one of the very few Germans I know who believes in chlorine based disinfectants. She doesn't for one second think 40º washing (that's degrees science, not the weird stuff the Americans use) is adequate for a family with seven children and she tumble drys underclothes, bedclothes, towels, Waschlappen, etc. at high heat.
Big fan of Sagrotan, too - and the US equivalent to that is Lysol. Also a big fan of letting little kids play in the dirt.
Personally, I will continue to run the dishwasher on the NSF approved 'sanitize' cycle (it's not really, but it's all about knocking the microbe load down as low as possible), using chlorine bleach and high tumble heat. I get rid of the gross dirt with TSP (the horror of it all, and, gosh, that STTP most are using? Guess what it turned into a while back...) and real hot water, not the <span style="font-size: 12pt;">40</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">º stuff US manufacturers want us to call 'hot' today.</span>
There's quite a few of us who allow some Tennessee windage to our places of domicile, real names, etc. Once burned, twice shy. It's probably best to accept that.
One of the things I learned from a dear friend who was an emergency room doctor in Munich for many years:
1) Antisepsis is a goal to be sought, but never achieved.
2) You remove the gross dirt first, then you go for the pathogens.
She is one of the very few Germans I know who believes in chlorine based disinfectants. She doesn't for one second think 40º washing (that's degrees science, not the weird stuff the Americans use) is adequate for a family with seven children and she tumble drys underclothes, bedclothes, towels, Waschlappen, etc. at high heat.
Big fan of Sagrotan, too - and the US equivalent to that is Lysol. Also a big fan of letting little kids play in the dirt.
Personally, I will continue to run the dishwasher on the NSF approved 'sanitize' cycle (it's not really, but it's all about knocking the microbe load down as low as possible), using chlorine bleach and high tumble heat. I get rid of the gross dirt with TSP (the horror of it all, and, gosh, that STTP most are using? Guess what it turned into a while back...) and real hot water, not the <span style="font-size: 12pt;">40</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">º stuff US manufacturers want us to call 'hot' today.</span>
vacerator
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high dryer heat helps sanitize.
high dryer heat helps sanitize.
Anyone who has studied bacteriology or microbiology and or perhaps any of the health professions (physician, nurse, etc...) already knows but will pass along (again); there is a difference between sanitization, sterilization and disinfecting.
Hospital linens for beds and bathing ordinarily are sanitized via the laundering process. Things meant for the operating room and or need to be nearly free of pathogens head over to CSS (Central Sterile Supply) or wherever and will be further treated by autoclaving in order to render them sterile.
When it comes to cleaning if you read the directions for nearly all registered disinfectants they give two versions. One is to clean and perhaps sanitize. The other is for disinfection. Latter most always involves first cleaning the surface of gross filth, then applying a solution at proper strength and allow to remain in contact for a period of time.
http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-sterilization-and-sanitization
https://www.diffen.com/difference/Disinfect_vs_Sterilize
Studies going back to the early part of last century proved laundering in hot water (and soap back then), drying and ironing rendered most laundry sanitized enough for all general purposes. Dropping ironing and adding tumble drying at high heat can replace ironing. It is the heat one wants in the end....
Simple act of washing laundry between chemicals, pH and multiple changes of water either deactivates germs and or sends them down the drain. They still may be alive at that point but that isn't the issue, it is removal from textiles we are after.
In situations where something more is required, such as the wash from a person infected with a contagious disease, something more can be done. Things like use of different chemicals and or higher wash/drying temperatures.
Hospital linens for beds and bathing ordinarily are sanitized via the laundering process. Things meant for the operating room and or need to be nearly free of pathogens head over to CSS (Central Sterile Supply) or wherever and will be further treated by autoclaving in order to render them sterile.
When it comes to cleaning if you read the directions for nearly all registered disinfectants they give two versions. One is to clean and perhaps sanitize. The other is for disinfection. Latter most always involves first cleaning the surface of gross filth, then applying a solution at proper strength and allow to remain in contact for a period of time.
http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-sterilization-and-sanitization
https://www.diffen.com/difference/Disinfect_vs_Sterilize
Studies going back to the early part of last century proved laundering in hot water (and soap back then), drying and ironing rendered most laundry sanitized enough for all general purposes. Dropping ironing and adding tumble drying at high heat can replace ironing. It is the heat one wants in the end....
Simple act of washing laundry between chemicals, pH and multiple changes of water either deactivates germs and or sends them down the drain. They still may be alive at that point but that isn't the issue, it is removal from textiles we are after.
In situations where something more is required, such as the wash from a person infected with a contagious disease, something more can be done. Things like use of different chemicals and or higher wash/drying temperatures.
Laundress, You are the voice of reason and clarification. Thank you.
wft2800
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So - any advice on usage of vinegar or other natural sanitising (if not disinfecting) chemicals?
