So you think you're washing at 60 degrees?

[nrones]

Aquarius1984, I am not defending anyone, even more I've clearly wrote that I think the whole situation is sad.

However, since your first post, you are writing "Candy is crap, Candy conned customers etc." while it's clearly mentioned that there were 8 brands in total, and in logixx's post even more of them. Why bringong so much attention to Candy only, when it's clear enough all manufacturers are doing it?

Dex

 

[haxisfan]

I see where you come from aquarius1984, but how else could I call a cotton 60 cycle if Which? themselves call it that?

They must've read the manual themeselves... or they got to that cycle by following some kind of logical thinking or perhaps instinct. If they were to make a genuine mistake, they would've selected the cotton 90, as this is the only cycle on the control panel which contains the wording 'cotton' as it's labelled 'Cottons + Pre'. This cycle defaults at 60 when selected, but it can then be changed up to a max of 90 degrees. I wouldn't have thought they'd use that cycle as it includes a prewash.

As for my use of the word 'supposed', I'm not sure how you're interpreting it, so, to make it clearer, I said that with my tongue-in-cheek as I understood and I was aware of the point Which? magazine was trying to make... however, I also wanted to point out that on this occasion, they made a mistake.

Lastly... I also failed to mention that there's a third cycle which goes up to 60 degrees (didn't think of that cos' I never use it), that is the Synthetic's. Again, you select the program which defaults to 40... then you can play with the temperature up to 60 degrees. But they wouldn't have used this either... as they were clearly looking for a cotton cycle.

 

[optima]

So you think your washing at 60

This is so interesting, just tested my current 1997 Bosch washer & it heated the water to 61deg on the 60deg colourfast programme.

 

[aquarius1984]

Dex

I guess we will never know what cycle Which? tested on the Candy machines but one thing is for sure if they DID select 60'c and as H-Axisfan mentions is very clear on the display had they have chosen 40'c then the pathetic result of 43'c at the hottest point of the cycle is absolutely disgusting considering it was also the worst of those on test by far.

 

[nrones]

aquarius1984

Ahh, nothing new then...Candy's 43 degrees is killing people, spreading illness, and other manufacturer's 44 or 46 is much better and not disgusting...yeah right, objective discussion...in dreams...

Now back to the subject..did anyone find the norm for the wash performance rating on EU label? I'm really more and more curious about it

Dex

 

[aquarius1984]

Dex,

The candy machine in question fell a full 8'c below the next competitor. Not 1 or 2.

p.s this is a forum and if you dont like me posting my opinions, comments, and findings then il advise you not to talk back.
Change the subject to suit yourself all you like. Just dont expect any aspects to be dropped just for your personal liking.

Cheers .

 

[haxisfan]

Pathetic 43

Yes, it is pathetic... didn't they realise that they were using the wrong cycle? The cotton 60 cycle 'coloured 60' whatever you want to call it... does a much hotter wash then 43 degrees... and what is really pathetic here is the way Which? magazine is spreading incorrect information amongst their readers.

 

[nrones]

Aquarius1984 - who are you advising not to talk back?
I approached this discussion objectively, not telling a word for any brand in particular. I pointed out general situation, I am the one that took all aspects and you?

Look at the picture Logixx attached, there is 44,46,47,48 degrees (I was referring to that info.), and Blanky974 who owns that exact machine confirms higher temperature than than 43. Those are the aspects you obviously didn't look at, as well as you didn't even bother to see how the control panel of mentioned machine looks, otherwise yo'd have understood him quicker.

So german test with 8 manufacturers (Candy or Hoover must be 1 of them inthere), and user of the particular machine are spreading false rumors? Might be...

There are many people who don't like some brand, and it's ok, however pointing that much negativity on one of them, when others are clearly very close is..well, I'll let you decide

Thanks for the advice not to talk back btw

Cheers
Dex

 

[pierreandreply4]

also one thing that needs to be noted is washer models chang

one thing that needs to be noted is with time or year the manufacturer might change the model abit by redesigning the model like take for exemple my 2004 duet set and compare the washer with this year model as you might notice the model was change eather the washer is american canadien or european over time all washer dryer models change or are redesign to show the changes to the model.

And also if it was not for internal heater in washers water temp would be dumb down Exemple: {this is not a critic} like say if a uk washer usaly list 40 when the wash water is set to 40 witch is warm wash on my washer would like be cool at 39 or 38 degrees like i said this is just an exemple i am not making a critic here this also depends on the energuide label or energy rating on european washers

http://www.whirlpool.ca/en_CA/-[YWFW9351YW]-1302188/YWFW9351YW/

 

[optima]

Whirlpool Duet

Pierrieandreply4

I'm just looking at your matching washer & dryer & i'm wondering why are the doors on the washer & dryer different. Why has the washer door got a flat top but the dryer has a rounded top, what is the reason for this.

 

[pierreandreply4]

my actual model is a 2004 generation 1 duet while the model link to the whirlpool ws is a 2013 model and on this idk as well must be the washer was made this way hard to say

 

[logixx]

I could only find a preview for the testing norm - see link.

BTW: yes, as the test fabric is folded and loaded in a specific way into the washer. I've seen it myself and also got to mix the detergent that went in the wash.

http://webstore.iec.ch/preview/info_iec60456{ed5.0}en.pdf

 

[nrones]

Thanks Logixx!

That's really interesting, and again, more and more pointing out how it's not even close to anything anyone would do in their home.
I wonder what will we find out till the end of this Book (I never thought a norm would have 137 pages ), if we ever find a complete version

Dex

 

[hoover1100]

Why cheat customers out of the wash they wish to use?

If you select a 60c cycle, you expect 60c water, no if's, no buts, same as for any other temperature.

 

If the manufacturer is going to offer "eco" cycles then fine, but if they only heat to say, 45c, then they should state that it is a 45c cycle so that there is no confusion!

 

Lets be honest though, the difference in engergy consumption between a 60c cycle in an older front loader, with short wash times and higher water levels, and a modern A++++++++++++ whatever machine on a 60c which takes 4 hours to wash with barely any water is absolute pittance so the whole idea of "eco" washing cycles is completely pointless!

 

Yes modern machines use less water, but energy consumption is pretty much the same, and if as in my case my water is not metered and I pay a set amount regardless of what I use, I really couldn't care less about how much (cold) water my machine uses!

 

But someone has to think of a way to keep people buying new machines, even if it is just confusing marketing.

 

Matt

 

 

 

[aldspinboy]

So is 60 c about 140 f...or...?
Thanks.
Darren k

 

[logixx]

Right.

 

[logixx]

"So german test with 8 manufacturers (Candy or Hoover must be 1 of them inthere)"
 
They tested a Candy EVO 1483DW-84. Looks like this one didn't have a regular Cotton cycle, but only the one for the energy label. It heated up to 54C. Among the five other washers without a regural Cotton cycle, it was only surpassed by a Miele top loaders that heated to 58C.

Alex

 

[aldspinboy]

Thanks Alexander ...Smile.
I am going to test my Bosch & Asko and see what comes out, as far as temps.
DK.

 

[nrones]

Hoover1100,
I completely agree with you, 60 should be 60. If they want to have something else, they can write like it was on older AEG's for example 40-60 MIX (a cycle that made same results as 60 on 40 deg actual washing), or something like that.

Optima,
What temperate would be if you selected Coloureds 60 E (right next to the 60 you talked about) ?

logixx,
What a coincidence, EVO 1483 DW-84 is exactly a 1400rpm Candy sister of the Hoover Which? tested. Interesting that the Haxisfan (owner of the machine) also said it was 55ish, and german test got 54, so I guess this deffinately prooves Which?'s mistake from 2 completely different sides, and now we know the exact temperature Candy is using on the Energy label cycle for sure. Thanks for the feedback

I did a Normal Cottons 60 today in my Candy (2010 model, old energy label, A+ rated) and the temperautre of the glass door at the end of the main wash (which was 15-20 minutes after heating) was 49c

Dex

 

[dj-gabriele]

Yes modern machines use less water, but energy consumption i

Not at all!

My old Candy Alisé 16WD from 1985 uses a whopping 1,7 kWh of energy for the 110 minutes 60°C cycle, along 110 litres of water.
My modern Candy CMF125 uses 0,85 kWh and 39 litres of water for a 180 minutes wash.
Wash time is longer but energy use is much less and water is much much less without compromising rinse quality. And when energy is expensive and water is metered and expensive, trust me you'll notice the difference.

As for the norm, I'm sorry I can't post the complete text because my digital signature is watermarked on all the pages but I'll gladly show you folding instructions and some other amenities when I'll get back home from the holidays.