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Speed Selector Switch On SQ TL 542s

I did not say not to change speeds when the machine is running, and I dough that it will make much difference if you do, often when we have seen these switches fail the customer reports that they never change this switches setting at all. I suppose that if you sat there and flipped the switch from setting to setting constantly it might shorten its life, but even if it is never changed a lot of current is going through the contacts and terminals of this switch and it could fail anyway.
 
Some clarification on a prior comment

""The spray rinse is sort of moot when you have a deep rinse in most any TL machine."

Guys this amounts to outright disinformation. If this or any feature is "just plain wasteful" it would not survive over a half century. "

Let me explain. Spray rinse ONLY occurs after the 1st drain and during 1st spin. It sprays for 30 seconds.

Then the washer fills for the 1st rinse. Then it spin drains. At no other point does the spray rinse kick in. Not even if you use the 2nd rinse option.

Not sure where you're coming from, but I hardly consider that statement to be misinformation. As Yogitunes pointed out, back in the day of high sudsing detergents, yes, it would matter. But not now with the HE approved liquids and low suds powders such as Sears.
 
Washman, compare odors from two loads of laundry washed with LCB, one with a spray rinse and one without, and you'll understand why they're important. The simple reason is because no actual rinsing takes place during a deep rinse agitation. None. Residual detergent/bleach/etc is simply redistributed from clothes to the water. So the more of this residual that can be removed prior to the deep rinse, the better.
 
I never and say never use LCB, but as for bleach and detergent I can fully see how it can be useful to a better deeper rinse, moreover it is not even matter of high or low sudsing detergent for me, I can tell you from an european point of view that really spray rinse makes a substantial difference with any detergent!
Even by using european (automatic low sudsing) detergents you get froth! and especially in low water settings,, and believe it or not in the filter flo I also get suds locks in large loads of towels and so on that spray rinse immediately dissolve, but it is not even a matter of froth, spray rinse really gives a first rinsing to clothes in order to be perfectly rinsed in the deep rinse, while playing with my machines I used to try to skip the spray rinse going directly to final spin and run the rinse, and could clearly see that water in the deep rinse was not as clear as if spray rinse was used, so had to repeat a second rinse....also, I could even experience that there was still so much detergent behind in the first rinse that additioned to the softener resulted in muck and scum....something that never happens when spray rinse is used as it take off a great part of detergent and makes a second rinse not needed most of the time for me...
Even by using low sudsing detergents I see the spray rinse a very good feature that gives a substantial improvement to the rinsing, would never want a machine without it![this post was last edited: 4/13/2014-07:03]
 
Fred....

your filterflo should offer both a regular cycle, and an extra cleaning regular with double rinse...

oddly enough I have one that offers both, extra cleaning with double rinse, and a regular cyle, with an optional switch for an extra rinse too...don't understand why both?

the only advantage to the extra cleaning cycle, double rinses, AND double spin sprays...according to the book, you are supposed to double the amount of detergent as well for great stain removal....
 
You're right Yogi, but thought the extra cleaning wash time was longer than the regular?
If you watch, the distance from heavy to normal soil checks in the extra cleaning chart is greater than the one of the regular... Always thought it to be longer even though I've never timed it...but it was the most logical explanation, even because as you said there are models with a 2nd rinse switch for regular cycles also...

I usually manually skip the second rinse in the extra cleaning cycle....... Even though sometimes I decide to run a second rinse, especially when I use grated soap flakes or when I try detergents that result to be crappy ( badly formulated) and of which I need to put really great quantities....also, they often are crappy because are all about soda and fillers, pretty difficult to rinse....
Anyways..
I think putting a switch to select 1 or two rinses and giving one chart with different wash times/soil levels is smarter than this...

[this post was last edited: 4/13/2014-10:20]
 
thats the only bad thing when they cram so many cycles into one timer....for some it seems like overkill....

they could get away with a Regular, with option for second rinse, a Short cycle, and an Automatic Soak....with seperate speed selections, water temps and levels....that alone still would make these machines with endless combinations and variations...from Gentle to Perm Press, and MiniQuick to boot

and yet with something like the Hotpoints with only two cycles, it seems to wash forever...
 
Spray Rinse

I think a spray rinse *can* make a huge difference in the rinse performance of a toploader.
Anyone in doubt of its effectiveness just wash a large load in really hot water, then stop the washer after the first spin with the spray rinse and check how much the clothes have cooled down.
If the water of the spray would only bounce off the clothes instead of going through them, there wouldn`t be much cooling effect.

However personally I don`t like modern HE toploaders which only rely on spray rinses. I would be in constant fear of missing spots.

Also I never understood why Whirlpool switched to a spray rinse after the deep rinse instead of before. Thought detergent and fabric softener don`t mix well.[this post was last edited: 4/16/2014-12:41]
 
spray rinse

mrboilwash,
I never understood why they switched to the spray rinse after the deep rinse either.

But I agree about having a spray rinse. I notice that in my speedqueen the deep rinse water is always cleaner than it was in a machine that didn't have the spray rinse.
 
Need advice on pre-wash

I see the 412 has combined soak and pre-wash. It fills, agitates, soaks and empties.

However, I see the 432 and 542 both have separated the soak from the pre-wash, with pre-wash showing up on the regular cycle.

My question is, on the 432 and 542 does the prewash empty before it washes, or does it fill, agitate, soak, and then move on to wash without emptying?

Can anyone explain the differences in prewash between the bottom of the line and the upper two models?

Current washers - 1990 Maytag Neptunes I love, 2014 LG waveforce i am kicking to the curb when I get my Speed Queen.

Thank you. I love this site.
 
henene4 of course

Life without passion is like cake without icing.

:)

Since SQ does precious little advertising or marketing, figured I might as well carry the flag.
 
I'm very glad SQ is primarily a commercial producer, and doesn't advertise much to residential customers. I think it's the main reason the company has been spared the horrors of coming up with endless marketing gimmicks for their products, in fact imo it's why we still have top loading washers available from SQ at all.

Now if we can only talk them out of this ridiculous Energy Star nonsense. Their latest bright idea is a partial drain between wash and rinse cycles. So much for any possibility of decent rinsing from their machines.

I still believe this will be self-correcting, either as lack of performance complaints mount or disease outbreaks start occurring. If you don't get to 140F, without chlorine or other bleach you don't kill the nasties. Period. End of biological story, regardless of what our government or any washer manufacturer might claim.
 
I got this from the speed queen staff - a bit confusing

I don't understand the response I got from speed queen as it seems to conflict with what I see on the dial controls for the various models. Seems all models have a soak, but upper models have separated soak from prewash. Here she tells me that on the upper models the prewash spins out and then continues into the wash cycle. What do you think, is this correct?

Response from speed queen when asking about the separation of soak and prewash on models:

Thank you for your inquiry. The prewash before the regular cycle is a short part of the cycle (about 9 minutes) and it does agitate and spin. Then it goes right into the regular cycle. If you are concerned about putting more soap in the regular cycle (after it spins out from the prewash), you can put more detergent in the dispense for the fabric softener (in the agitator). This will release the detergent at the proper time after the prewash, and during the regular cycle. Probably the biggest difference in these models and the Prewash cycle, is that on the 412, it has time for Soak, but on the other 2 models, there is no Soak time.
 
 
Per the images of the controls on Speed Queen's web site, seems to me that the 542 and 432 Prewash is a lead-in to the Regular cycle ... functions similarly to Whirlpool's Super Wash. Brief agitation, drain/spin, continue into Regular.

The user guides available online describe the soak cycle as a brief agitation, 12 mins of soak, drain/spin and off.  Likely is the same on all models.

Difference between 542 and 432 having a separate automatic Prewash against 412 not having it is that 542 and 432 allow a prewash without the soak time. 412 has prewash as part/parcel of the soak.

A manual prewash can be done by starting any cycle at the Rinse indicator.
 
I was hoping Carly would check in and let us know which model she selected. Are you out there, Carly?

Ben: I'd forgotten all about designating you Patronus Absolutus! Sometimes it is fun to have a look back at the older threads.
 
Poor Carly is probably overwhelmed

with all the information and opinions given on this thread.
 
I'd like to see the option of a soak in the middle of the wash portion of the cycle---without using the extra 20+ gallons of water. I ran a load of stained kitchen whites through the AWN542 a couple of days ago and noticed better results when letting the wash cycle agitate for 4-5 minutes, then stopping it for 30 minutes. I restarted the machine and let it finish the cycle---great results without the added fabric wear of adding agitation time.

Would be very convenient if the washer did this automatically---and it wouldn't add energy or water use to the cycle. Win-Win!
 
Imo, I think speed Queen could better the cycle timing for the soaks and prewash. The thing I like about mine is that after a 4 minute prewash it will automatically soak then drain the machine.

Just of note, the AWN 432 and AWN 542 have 3 minute timer increments instead of 2. If I remember right the pre wash has no soak period on the pre wash.
 

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