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[gelaundry4ever]

Speed Queen Transmissions

Gee, those transmissions hold a lot of oil and can take on huge loads. They have a smooth whirring sound to them when washing.

 

[qsd-dan]

This is how the post 2017 models act. Look at all of the sudsy water before and even after the spray rinse. Also, the poor aim of the fill flume during the spray rinse. The deep rinse was still very sudsy. This would have been a much lesser problem with a high speed spin and spray rinse. Even less so if Speed Queen properly aimed the fill flume for better coverage. Even more so if the spray rinse was 1 minute. All of these combined would eliminate the need of a second deep rinse while saving water, electricity, and time.

 

[william8]

I've never needed a second fill rinse. How much soap are you using?

There are no suds in the rinse cycle, I've checked.

 

[Chetlaham]

The TC5 guesses the amount of water per load, there is no variable user controlled pressure switch :

 

 

 

 

 

Whirlpool and others do this, they sense the load then add water for what the machine believes is correct for the clothes. Cycles like bulky can of course add some extra water to the final equation, and deep fill defaults to a full tub, however there can and are errors. A machine can not determine the right amount of water like a human can. A human can watch the machine fill, and set the pressure switch to the level that just covers the clothes. Overtime a user knows exactly at what point a pressure switch satisfy for a given setting, knowing where to set the dial based on where the clothes top out in the wash basket.  

 

 

Load sensing is not 100% accurate or full proof. In fact it wastes water in Speed Queens case because there is a tendency to over fill to avoid the possibility of clothing damage from under filling.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

sudsing

Exactly. It makes no sense. I use Persil which is low-sudsing, but still I want to be rest assured that all the soap suds are spun out and liquified.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

to chetlaham

I thought the tr series were the only ones to have load sensing.

 

[Chetlaham]

Pre 2018 Models

Dan, Preach! Thank you! The Pre 2018 models spun and rinsed much better. Just because people don't notice it, doesn't mean its not happening. 

 

[Chetlaham]

Jerome, my understanding is the TC5 has load sensing due to the lack of manual pressure switch. Which is really, really dumb. It just leads to more water use. What if I want to do a mini load? How will I be guaranteed a 1/6th of a tub fill?  

 

[pierreandreply4]

Chetlham

you mark a good point there like say you need to wash a shirt you need for the next day or like you said a small load how can the machine detrect itrs a very small load or mini load when you do not need deep fill?

 

[gelaundry4ever]

tc5 load sensing

Gee chetlaham, I didn't know that the tc5 had load sensing.

 

[Chetlaham]

Sadly it does, and electronics. Energy regs have only made things worse over the years.

 

[william8]

The TC5 does not have load sensing. It fills to the same level every time, based on the cycle you choose.

It has a pressure sensing switch.

https://partsdr.com/part/203843-pressure-sensor-switch

https://parts.alliancelaundry.com/i...her-dryer-sensorpressure0-400mm-h20green.html

Just search parts for AWN632SP116TW02 .

 

[Chetlaham]

If your TC5 fills at the same level every time, then that is even worse than having load sensing. 

 

[william8]

worse than having load sensing

How is it worse? I know what the levels are, I listed them before.

Eco cycle = 12.5 gallons per fill or 14.5 gallons with deep fill.
Permanent Press/Heavy Duty = 14.5 gallons per fill or 19 gallons with deepfill.
Delicates/Bulky = 16 gallons per fill or 19 gallons with deep fill.

I wash full loads, or my idea of a full load, and it's the perfect amount to cover the clothes/sheets/towels whatever. When I bought it, I ran an empty load to clean it. I guess it shouldn't have filled at all?

You guys really are creating issues that don't exist.

 

[william8]

Maytag

BTW, even my old Maytag LA211 would fill over half full when set to the lowest point on it's continuously variable water level. Still too much if you just need a couple items washed. So I stuck to full loads.

 

[ea56]

Two Words

Oy Vey!

 

Eddie

 

[Chetlaham]

Right, but what if I wanted to wash a small load? What if I only wanted 5 or 6 gallons in a fill for a few hand towels? Or just a bunch of socks? 12.5 gallons is to much. In fact, as mentioned by Dadoes, the load will clump up and become unbalanced. A proper water level just covers the garments when lossley loaded.

 

 

My preference is a manual variable water level control that goes from 1/6th of a tub to a full tub.

 

 

 

Kenmore 80/90 series had the best IMO.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

washing everything on bulky

I wouldn't wash everything on bulky as the agitation is too gentle. I have sturdy cottons and I want them to move freely even in big loads.

 

[DADoES]

 
There's no information stated anywhere that TC5 has auto-sensing.  The cycle matrix chart states that the various cycles fill to specific level in inches and gallons (presumably measured on an empty tub, not considering what clothing may absorb and displace in tub volume).

TC5003WN (models AWN632SP116CW01, AWN632SP116TW01, ZWN632SP116CW01) absolutely has a pressure switch per the parts diagram document that I have.  It's on the water valve mounting bracket, not in the console.  And of course, there a pressure tube from the tub to the switch.

Pressure Sensor:  Photo 1, Item 12.

Pressure Sensor P/N:  Photo 2, Ref 12.

Pressure Tubing assembly:  Photo 3, Items 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 (includes a shadow illustration of the pressure switch and the mounting bracket location at the rear corner beneath the machine top).

Pressure Tubing assembly P/Ns:  Photo 4, Refs 12, 13, 14, 15, 16.

 

[william8]

washing everything on bulky

The agitation on bulky is very strong, the clothes turn over freely and often. You should actually use the machine before giving us your opinion on how to use it. I use bulky as it uses the proper amount of water, and in theory will cause less wear on the clothes.

What do you do to your clothes that makes them so filthy they need a beating every time they are washed?

 

[Chetlaham]

Don't get me wrong here. I know there is a pressure transducer in the TC5. I don't dispute that. My gripe is with the inability to select a mini fill. I don't see a fill selector on the control panel or a cycle that gives a 1/6th tub fill.  

 

[gelaundry4ever]

to william8

I use the coin-op version of this machine. I don't need to get filthy, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't take cleanliness into consideration. The delicate/bulky cycle on these machines is too gentle as far as agitation is concerned. My clothes are just fine on the normal cycle with heavy soil setting, as it does a true rinse. I don't have any delicate items, so I refuse to use that cycle.

 

[Chetlaham]

William, I think what Jerome is saying is that in order to get a deep rinse he needs to select Heavy Duty which comes with fast agitation and a long wash time. A deep rinse is Jerome's primary concern/need. 

 

[william8]

Reply# 142

OK, but he keeps telling everyone how to use the TC5. Which he has never used. It has a deep rinse on every cycle. You can even add it to ECO if you want. But he clearly stated the agitation is too gentle. Again, on a machine he has never used.

And if you need to do a load of socks, you need more socks...

 

[Chetlaham]

Jerome can still suggest improvements to the TC5, like a delayed spray rinse. I for one would like a water level selector.

 

I'm with you William on a long gentle wash. There are times when I'd like slow Speed Agitation for 10-14 minutes, however my Speed Queen does not offer that. Only gentle action is for 4 minutes on soak and 4 intermittent 30 second strokes on delicate/handwash. The AWN542 lets you select gentle agitation fast spin as the user has a speed control knob, however, with a batch of timer problems popping up around the time I was looking for a Speed Queen I settled on a BOL model. IMO, the AWN542 has way to many timer increments and it made itself known with issues of the start windings not engaging in spin.  

 

[panasonicvac]

Ok

So I did noticed those two things on the TC5 unlike the commercial model which is a night and day difference upon further research. I'm not too picky and I agree with Dan that it isn't a problem I should worry about especially with William who says there isn't soap left over.

I do have a comment about the small load selector since I own a Kenmore 90 Series with that option. I honestly don't like washing in small loads, I find that performance is better if you had it in medium or large setting with bigger loads. I agree with William that if you need to do a load of socks, either you need more socks or other clothing in the washer.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

tc5

I have a friend from church who has a tc5 and I've helped him wash once. He uses the heavy duty setting, which I would've used any for heavy fabrics for things like denim, terry towels, etc. I like my clothes to move effectively. If I had comforters or sheets to do, then I'd consider using the bulky/sheets setting. I match the fabric content to the cycle accordingly. Call me old-school, but I live by experience.

 

[william8]

I live by experience

No you don't live by experience. You've never used a TC5 on bulky/sheets, or you would know that it moves the clothes more than effectively. And that they come out clean and spotless.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

does it matter

/does it matter? The wash action is generally the same.

 

[Chetlaham]

To William and all the detractors, have you read Jerome's post #29?

 

 

 

In my experience the number 1 reason for human suffering throughout history and across the globe, by far, is the belief our own sentience, perception, and experience of reality is universal to everyone. Leading people to think the behavior of others is a conscious choice or driven out of Machiavellianism to serve some self fulfilling goal. When such could not be further from truth or reality.

 

 

Ableism doesn't fix, change or heal people. Much the opposite. Punishment doesn't change, fix, or heal people. Demands don't change, fix or heal people.  

 

Self centered world views are the root of all evil. This wouldn't be your fault, as every facet of society was mistakenly built upon the idea of "wanna" instead of "can't" hence most people do not know any better. 

 

People do well if they can. People are not able fly not because they don't want to fly. People are not able to fly because they can't.

 

"can't" instead of "wants" is the discovery, the E=MC2 of tomorrow. 

 

Jerome is trying harder than anyone else on this site, by light years.    

 

 

Empathy is a wonderful thing for everybody.