Its to the point on this suspense I no longer care.Its like new Kirby models.
Speed Queen - Coming Soon...
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panasonicvac
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That's still the TC5/DC5 Jamie revealed earlier.
That's still the TC5/DC5 Jamie revealed earlier.
panasonicvac
Exactly, just a TC5 in black. Although the site above removed the page. Probably jumped the gun.
This site is still up though:
https://www.gilsappliances.com/prod...-matte-black-top-load-washer-tc5003bn-1595429
And PC Richards:
https://www.pcrichard.com/speed-que...r-and-classic-clean-matte-black/TC5003BN.html
Exactly, just a TC5 in black. Although the site above removed the page. Probably jumped the gun.
This site is still up though:
https://www.gilsappliances.com/prod...-matte-black-top-load-washer-tc5003bn-1595429
And PC Richards:
https://www.pcrichard.com/speed-que...r-and-classic-clean-matte-black/TC5003BN.html
pinkpower4
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I would have chosen water level control over color...
I have been happy with my older model Maytag mvwp575gw, which is over six years old now. Only replaced the inexpensive agit dogs (a few dollars when purchased from eBay). With this in mind and given the limited availability of Speed Queen and prices in some areas (some in my area sell above MSRP), I tend to think most in all income brackets would have chosen water level control over color. Not sure why they couldn't have both but...
My appliances don't have to be the same brand, but I do prefer the same color. It's going to be a lot harder to match a black one. But a different color would bother me a LOT more. Most washers and dryers are in their own room or in a closet. Some like mine could be in a room also used as an entrance, but still I doubt that's the case in higher end homes where SQ seems to market to. I am guessing they were getting a few more sales from people like me but now will lose them for decisions like this. Here's why.
I do think you will get more years out of the SQ. If there is enough difference in price, that doesn't really matter in the end to me. I hate it for the landfills, but with the Maytag now with water level control (my ONLY real complaint) I'm not really spending any more money for the actual years of use based on what *I* would pay for those models where I live. It's also a lot easier to find the Maytag model with more choices for how to pay and delivery options.
How many gallons of water does the Maytag mvwp586 use to wash its different size loads now?
The Speed Queen's Normal Eco uses 13 gallons and 16 gallons with deep fill.
Other cycles uses 14.5, 16, or 19 depending on cycle chosen and if deep fill is selected.
I don't know, but doesn't seem to be the best marketing decision on SQ's part. They could have at least thrown in a water level control...
As for me...I already have the SQ TC5 that I purchased when I needed a new dryer. I just assumed the MT would break like everyone says it would, but it's still washing full loads, and I'm using the TC5 for half loads.
Yep, I still have that third washer too.
My plan is to use the Magic Chef until it breaks for even smaller loads since I already have it and then replace it with something portable from Laundry Alternatives. At some point, I will just have one full-size washer and one portable. Sometimes, certain things just need to have their own load OR I will just have to use more water than necessary for those loads. Not my first choice, but that's what the end result of the gov. well intentioned but not well researched eco regulations are.
I have been happy with my older model Maytag mvwp575gw, which is over six years old now. Only replaced the inexpensive agit dogs (a few dollars when purchased from eBay). With this in mind and given the limited availability of Speed Queen and prices in some areas (some in my area sell above MSRP), I tend to think most in all income brackets would have chosen water level control over color. Not sure why they couldn't have both but...
My appliances don't have to be the same brand, but I do prefer the same color. It's going to be a lot harder to match a black one. But a different color would bother me a LOT more. Most washers and dryers are in their own room or in a closet. Some like mine could be in a room also used as an entrance, but still I doubt that's the case in higher end homes where SQ seems to market to. I am guessing they were getting a few more sales from people like me but now will lose them for decisions like this. Here's why.
I do think you will get more years out of the SQ. If there is enough difference in price, that doesn't really matter in the end to me. I hate it for the landfills, but with the Maytag now with water level control (my ONLY real complaint) I'm not really spending any more money for the actual years of use based on what *I* would pay for those models where I live. It's also a lot easier to find the Maytag model with more choices for how to pay and delivery options.
How many gallons of water does the Maytag mvwp586 use to wash its different size loads now?
The Speed Queen's Normal Eco uses 13 gallons and 16 gallons with deep fill.
Other cycles uses 14.5, 16, or 19 depending on cycle chosen and if deep fill is selected.
I don't know, but doesn't seem to be the best marketing decision on SQ's part. They could have at least thrown in a water level control...
As for me...I already have the SQ TC5 that I purchased when I needed a new dryer. I just assumed the MT would break like everyone says it would, but it's still washing full loads, and I'm using the TC5 for half loads.
Yep, I still have that third washer too.
My plan is to use the Magic Chef until it breaks for even smaller loads since I already have it and then replace it with something portable from Laundry Alternatives. At some point, I will just have one full-size washer and one portable. Sometimes, certain things just need to have their own load OR I will just have to use more water than necessary for those loads. Not my first choice, but that's what the end result of the gov. well intentioned but not well researched eco regulations are.
The gallons cited above are for one fill, yes? A wash & deep rinse is x 2. SQ's Normal Eco is a shower rinse by default, deep rinse with Extra Rinse selected.
A black TC5 is now shown on SQ's website, tagged as "Coming Soon" model TC5003BN vs. TC5003WN for white.
Yes, gallons are "per fill". Wash and rinse.
Eco cycle = 12.5 gallons per fill or 14.5 gallons with deep fill.
Permanent Press/Heavy Duty = 14.5 gallons per fill or 19 gallons with deepfill.
Delicates/Bulky = 16 gallons per fill or 19 gallons with deep fill.
I find the bulky setting perfect for full loads, "deep fill" is only about 1.5" higher in water level. I never do small loads, it's a waste.
My old Maytag had variable water level. Never used it once in 35 years.
Eco cycle = 12.5 gallons per fill or 14.5 gallons with deep fill.
Permanent Press/Heavy Duty = 14.5 gallons per fill or 19 gallons with deepfill.
Delicates/Bulky = 16 gallons per fill or 19 gallons with deep fill.
I find the bulky setting perfect for full loads, "deep fill" is only about 1.5" higher in water level. I never do small loads, it's a waste.
My old Maytag had variable water level. Never used it once in 35 years.
William, then you should have gotten one of these!
In all seriousness your Speed Queen TC is a great machine! I never asked, how are you enjoying your TC now that you've had it? How does it compare to your Maytag. I was almost as happy as you were when it arrived LOL. I love seeing a Speed Queen being placed into service.
https://www.pcrichard.com/speed-que...load-washer-with-agitator-white/TV2000WN.html
In all seriousness your Speed Queen TC is a great machine! I never asked, how are you enjoying your TC now that you've had it? How does it compare to your Maytag. I was almost as happy as you were when it arrived LOL. I love seeing a Speed Queen being placed into service.
https://www.pcrichard.com/speed-que...load-washer-with-agitator-white/TV2000WN.html
Why?
That machine has 3 temp settings instead of 4, less cycles, and no labor warranty. I don't see any advantage. Besides, the local dealer will not sell them. He said too many didn't understand the no warranty part. and got upset.
I love the TC5 so far. Washes everything very well in 35 minutes, just like the old Maytag. And spins out the water better. I wash everything on "cool" or "hot", on the bulky setting.
There is someone here who claims you need the harsher agitation from "heavy duty", and it's the ONLY cycle to use? Not sure what he is doing to get his clothes so filthy.
Time will tell for the rest, I've probably only done 35 - 38 loads so far. Only 2-3 a week.
That machine has 3 temp settings instead of 4, less cycles, and no labor warranty. I don't see any advantage. Besides, the local dealer will not sell them. He said too many didn't understand the no warranty part. and got upset.
I love the TC5 so far. Washes everything very well in 35 minutes, just like the old Maytag. And spins out the water better. I wash everything on "cool" or "hot", on the bulky setting.
There is someone here who claims you need the harsher agitation from "heavy duty", and it's the ONLY cycle to use? Not sure what he is doing to get his clothes so filthy.
Time will tell for the rest, I've probably only done 35 - 38 loads so far. Only 2-3 a week.
Its not the harsher agitation, rather energy regulations striking again. His model is located in a laundry mat which unless set to heavy duty defaults to an energy saving spray rinse.
The model I linked has an EM control model, giving the user more flexibility. With you using only high water level and mostly the bulky cycle, I'd imagine the fewer cycles would not an inconvenience.
However, if you're happy with your TC-5 then I am happy. Thats all I want to hear!
I hope you fall in Love with your TC5 as you continue to do more laundry.
I fantasize about Speed Queen becoming the dominant washer platform in North America.
The model I linked has an EM control model, giving the user more flexibility. With you using only high water level and mostly the bulky cycle, I'd imagine the fewer cycles would not an inconvenience.
However, if you're happy with your TC-5 then I am happy. Thats all I want to hear!
I hope you fall in Love with your TC5 as you continue to do more laundry.
I fantasize about Speed Queen becoming the dominant washer platform in North America.
Not sure what model he uses, as he refers to it as a SQ Classic? And tells everyone to get a TC5 and ONLY use heavy duty.
I don't miss the EM dial on the Maytag at all. Not sure how it offers more flexibility. I could set it from 2 to 12 minutes agitation. Always set it to 8, which coincidentally is the same as the SQ bulky cycle.. There are options with the TC5 as well, by choosing different cycles for longer agitation time.
I no longer have to rotate the dial for each load. Just touch the start button. Very simple.
I don't miss the EM dial on the Maytag at all. Not sure how it offers more flexibility. I could set it from 2 to 12 minutes agitation. Always set it to 8, which coincidentally is the same as the SQ bulky cycle.. There are options with the TC5 as well, by choosing different cycles for longer agitation time.
I no longer have to rotate the dial for each load. Just touch the start button. Very simple.
The Speed Queen classic refers to Speed Queen's most common platform- geared transmission, slipping belt, brake, and an across the line AC motor. They are used on Speed Queen coin, card, on premises, business, international and residential TC washers. The TR series with inverter motor and lid lock is only offered in their residential lineup and is very controversial and not liked by everyone.
The classic platform with its geared transmission over the years has had various spin and rinse combinations on some or all their cycles that are not liked by everyone- slow first spin, early spray rinse, half a tub drain and refill as a rinse, 3 spray rinses instead of a deep rinse, ect. Some or all these questionable cycle alterations have popped up across their classic model lineups from residential to commercial over the years. Some cycles like Heavy Duty and Bulky over-ride these alterations.
EM lets you shorten, extend repeat any part of a cycle. It lets you soak clothes without the machine draining out on its own after a period of time. EM is more durable, less susceptible to moisture and power transients. No ES discharge worries during service. There are no electrolytic capacitors to leak out and fail after X years. An EM timer can and will literally last indefinitely. There are no parameter sensing or error codes with EM. No obscure or discrete mode failures. No programing errors or bugs to make themselves known. Limited possibility of fire or tracks burning up. EM is easier to diagnose and troubleshoot since you can ohm out, trace and visually inspect contacts and timer sequence advancement. EM is the right choice in controlling high power circuits.
The classic platform with its geared transmission over the years has had various spin and rinse combinations on some or all their cycles that are not liked by everyone- slow first spin, early spray rinse, half a tub drain and refill as a rinse, 3 spray rinses instead of a deep rinse, ect. Some or all these questionable cycle alterations have popped up across their classic model lineups from residential to commercial over the years. Some cycles like Heavy Duty and Bulky over-ride these alterations.
EM lets you shorten, extend repeat any part of a cycle. It lets you soak clothes without the machine draining out on its own after a period of time. EM is more durable, less susceptible to moisture and power transients. No ES discharge worries during service. There are no electrolytic capacitors to leak out and fail after X years. An EM timer can and will literally last indefinitely. There are no parameter sensing or error codes with EM. No obscure or discrete mode failures. No programing errors or bugs to make themselves known. Limited possibility of fire or tracks burning up. EM is easier to diagnose and troubleshoot since you can ohm out, trace and visually inspect contacts and timer sequence advancement. EM is the right choice in controlling high power circuits.
low first spin
I'm still not a fan of the low first spin and early spray rinse. It's like they do it on every single cycle which is absolutely stupid. I have the feeling that the same will apply on their matte black models.
I'm still not a fan of the low first spin and early spray rinse. It's like they do it on every single cycle which is absolutely stupid. I have the feeling that the same will apply on their matte black models.
Most likely. I doubt the new matte black models had a program change. Ok, I could understand low first spin to prevent stand pipe sudsing, yet nothing justifies the early spray rinse.
spinning
I'd prefer they start the machine with low speed spin for a minute or two, then switch to high like GE did.
I'd prefer they start the machine with low speed spin for a minute or two, then switch to high like GE did.
to chetlaham
Check out the thread on the super forum called here we go again, are we using too much detergent. I think you'll have something to say as well as the notion that everything will be clean on express. I'm not buying it. Now back to the subject.
Check out the thread on the super forum called here we go again, are we using too much detergent. I think you'll have something to say as well as the notion that everything will be clean on express. I'm not buying it. Now back to the subject.
TC5 low first spin?
According to the TC5 user's manual (revised May 2023), heavy duty and bulky both have high speed spin for both wash and rinse. Delicate and permanent press have low for both.
I certainly haven't noticed the first spin being slower. Not sure why he keeps going on about it. Probably never used a TC5.
According to the TC5 user's manual (revised May 2023), heavy duty and bulky both have high speed spin for both wash and rinse. Delicate and permanent press have low for both.
I certainly haven't noticed the first spin being slower. Not sure why he keeps going on about it. Probably never used a TC5.
observations
Based on my observations the intermediate spin after spin is at low no matter what cycle, even heavy duty. Worse, the early spray rinse still applies. Only the final spin is at high on heavy duty and bulky cycles, maybe even normal/eco. Maybe I'm missing the point or the manual is lying. The 2014 and earlier machines never did this.
Based on my observations the intermediate spin after spin is at low no matter what cycle, even heavy duty. Worse, the early spray rinse still applies. Only the final spin is at high on heavy duty and bulky cycles, maybe even normal/eco. Maybe I'm missing the point or the manual is lying. The 2014 and earlier machines never did this.
Jerome, what model are the Speed Queens that you are using, if you know or can get the model #s. Just curious.
speed queen models
I'm not sure, but they have to be from 2015 or 2016. As for the matte black tc5, my concern is the first spin being at low speed on heavy duty, not the final spin. They should be at high like their older 2014 and earlier models and the spray rinse should be going when the tub has reached high speed.
I'm not sure, but they have to be from 2015 or 2016. As for the matte black tc5, my concern is the first spin being at low speed on heavy duty, not the final spin. They should be at high like their older 2014 and earlier models and the spray rinse should be going when the tub has reached high speed.
I'm with you! Let the machine drain on high for 3 minutes, then start the spray rinse. Let the tub come up to speed, even on low, before letting water enter the tub.
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