I'm guessing a black color TC-5? It would be nice if they had a TC-7 and a TC-9.
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My bet would also be a black TC5. It’s an easy way for Alliance to have a “new” product without spending engineering effort.
Two most common laundromat sins: under loaded and too much soap.
If WP can do this with Maytag "commercial" front loaders why not let others in on the fun?
https://www.maytagcommerciallaundry.com/mclstorefront/behind-the-scenes-fall-river
If WP can do this with Maytag "commercial" front loaders why not let others in on the fun?
https://www.maytagcommerciallaundry.com/mclstorefront/behind-the-scenes-fall-river
When I go to the washateria to clean my large area rugs I walk around to see how people are using the SQ front loaders there. It really makes me want to do a PSA right there to tell them how much money they are losing by having the washers only 1/4 full. It isn't rocket science. And most of the clientele at that facility really can't afford to put money down the drain.
I'm surprised that Maytag frontloader above is allowed in a public-access coin-op facility. Seems it'd be a potential source of injury with the exposed, oscillating outer tub and door.
Design has been fairly common for some time in various forms.
Asko used similar design for years.
Asko was (or still is) only domestic front loader sold in USA (IIRC) that like commercial/industrial machines does not use rubber boot around port hole.[this post was last edited: 8/23/2024-06:16]
Asko used similar design for years.
Asko was (or still is) only domestic front loader sold in USA (IIRC) that like commercial/industrial machines does not use rubber boot around port hole.[this post was last edited: 8/23/2024-06:16]
Yes, I'm aware of Asko but they have the outer door that normally is closed during operation.
Asko then offered models with or without front door.
That door was more for aesthetics IIRC than anything else. For those who wanted a clean line in their kitchen (where many Europeans have their laundry machines) it made washer blend in with dryer and cabinetry by concealing port hole.
That door was more for aesthetics IIRC than anything else. For those who wanted a clean line in their kitchen (where many Europeans have their laundry machines) it made washer blend in with dryer and cabinetry by concealing port hole.
As many have predicted…
TC5 in matte black!
TC5 in matte black!
ryner1988
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Yawn...
I agree with Dan -- who the heck cares?
Still no proper water level control. Still a slow first spin on heavy duty. Spray rinse is still too early and not long enough. Still can select extra rinse or heavy soil, but not both.
I'm sure I'm forgetting some things.
Ryne
I agree with Dan -- who the heck cares?
Still no proper water level control. Still a slow first spin on heavy duty. Spray rinse is still too early and not long enough. Still can select extra rinse or heavy soil, but not both.
I'm sure I'm forgetting some things.
Ryne
I’ll second that Ryne! BFD, Matte Black finish. It will show all the dust that accumulates from using the dryer, plus Matte Black will show every greasy fingerprint that lands on it.
If SQ really wanted to enthuse their “base” they’d reintroduce:
1. Electro-Mechanical controls
2. A timer cycle control
3. Water Level control
I’ll bet machines with these retro controls would literally fly right out of the showrooms! I’d even spring for a SQ FL if I could get one without an electronic control board.
Eddie
If SQ really wanted to enthuse their “base” they’d reintroduce:
1. Electro-Mechanical controls
2. A timer cycle control
3. Water Level control
I’ll bet machines with these retro controls would literally fly right out of the showrooms! I’d even spring for a SQ FL if I could get one without an electronic control board.
Eddie
ryner1988
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Reply #51
Eddie, I agree completely. SQ hasn't innovated in five years and it's gonna bite them eventually. People can get more flexibility on washers that are a third of the price in some cases. And I know this is going to put me in Aw.org jail LOL but SQ's break down a lot in my opinion. When I was at college, they used SQ TL's for the first couple years I was there and at least one or two of them in my dorm's laundry room was out of order on a frequent basis.
I do wish SQ FL's were a bit more in reach financially for more people and as you said they should ditch the control boards because they seem to have issues. I know you and I have discussed this before, but it is worth repeating in this thread -- one of the main reasons I bought a new TL is because current offerings for full-sized FL's are just too effing big! Stacye and I have no use for a 4.5 cu. ft. or bigger washer. 3-3.5 cu. ft. is, in my opinion, absolutely plenty for most people and SQ is the only company that offers FL's in that size.
I really wish there was an FL version of the Whirlpool I have. Similar control panel and tub size, but an FL instead of a TL. That machine could sell for like $600 and the manufacturer couldn't produce them fast enough I'm almost certain! I would probably sell my TL for an FL like that if it was available because I sometimes have guilt feelings about owning a TL in the modern era. Like, I sometimes wonder how appropriate that is given climate change concerns. I'm sure that's a silly feeling, but it's there.
Eddie, I agree completely. SQ hasn't innovated in five years and it's gonna bite them eventually. People can get more flexibility on washers that are a third of the price in some cases. And I know this is going to put me in Aw.org jail LOL but SQ's break down a lot in my opinion. When I was at college, they used SQ TL's for the first couple years I was there and at least one or two of them in my dorm's laundry room was out of order on a frequent basis.
I do wish SQ FL's were a bit more in reach financially for more people and as you said they should ditch the control boards because they seem to have issues. I know you and I have discussed this before, but it is worth repeating in this thread -- one of the main reasons I bought a new TL is because current offerings for full-sized FL's are just too effing big! Stacye and I have no use for a 4.5 cu. ft. or bigger washer. 3-3.5 cu. ft. is, in my opinion, absolutely plenty for most people and SQ is the only company that offers FL's in that size.
I really wish there was an FL version of the Whirlpool I have. Similar control panel and tub size, but an FL instead of a TL. That machine could sell for like $600 and the manufacturer couldn't produce them fast enough I'm almost certain! I would probably sell my TL for an FL like that if it was available because I sometimes have guilt feelings about owning a TL in the modern era. Like, I sometimes wonder how appropriate that is given climate change concerns. I'm sure that's a silly feeling, but it's there.
Good h-axis washing machines will always be somewhat dear. That was main argument by Consumer Reports and others when first European front loaders arrived on US shores. That criticism grew louder after Maytag and others began offering front loaders in USA.
Simply put due to inherent design, production and other differences between top and front loading the latter will always cost more. Top of that list would be need for robust suspension system and boot/seal to keep water from flowing out of washer.
Mechanical versus computer controlled:
Give me a computer controlled h-axis washer any day of the week. Even on commercial/industrial side of things machines with motherboards, inverters, and so forth have replaced once common machines with gears, clutches and other mechanical bits including timers.
Both my AEG washers with full computer controls are streets ahead of the vintage Miele which only has "electronic" systems.
At least for washing machines computer control of motor and drum allow for greater flexibility of movement, motor and etc....
My vintage Miele will try but only so many times to become balanced. If load cannot or will not cooperate the thing will go off to races banging and clanging, this sometimes rather violently.
AEG washers can control movement of drum to attain far greater control of balance to wash loads. Where Miele would spin the AEG washers will try to break up unbalanced loads.
Computer controls allow far more infinite cycles than ever could happen with mechanical timers. This for both top and front loading.
Since federal government rates energy use on "Normal" setting that's often the last cycle many should choose. But thanks to Mr. Computer machines these days of both sorts have far more options available. You can fit only but so many choices on a mechanical timer. Even with famous three dial controls of vintage European washing machines there are limits.
Simply put due to inherent design, production and other differences between top and front loading the latter will always cost more. Top of that list would be need for robust suspension system and boot/seal to keep water from flowing out of washer.
Mechanical versus computer controlled:
Give me a computer controlled h-axis washer any day of the week. Even on commercial/industrial side of things machines with motherboards, inverters, and so forth have replaced once common machines with gears, clutches and other mechanical bits including timers.
Both my AEG washers with full computer controls are streets ahead of the vintage Miele which only has "electronic" systems.
At least for washing machines computer control of motor and drum allow for greater flexibility of movement, motor and etc....
My vintage Miele will try but only so many times to become balanced. If load cannot or will not cooperate the thing will go off to races banging and clanging, this sometimes rather violently.
AEG washers can control movement of drum to attain far greater control of balance to wash loads. Where Miele would spin the AEG washers will try to break up unbalanced loads.
Computer controls allow far more infinite cycles than ever could happen with mechanical timers. This for both top and front loading.
Since federal government rates energy use on "Normal" setting that's often the last cycle many should choose. But thanks to Mr. Computer machines these days of both sorts have far more options available. You can fit only but so many choices on a mechanical timer. Even with famous three dial controls of vintage European washing machines there are limits.
Re:#52
Ryne,
So very well stated, and my thoughts exactly. Especially the real market for simple FL’s with a 3.2 to 3.5 cu capacity. I believe that 4.5 cu is too large more many users and too large for their dedicated WD space. I also agree with you there seems to be a lot of SQ users that have problems, and this will send me to AW.org hell too. They aren’t as trouble free as they should be considering the high cost.
I bought my BOL Roper for essentially the same reasons you bought your Whirlpool. And I haven’t regretted the decision. But given the preference I’d choose a 3.1-3.5 cu FL without an electronic control board. If machines like these were all that was available the overall use of both energy and water would decrease.
Eddie
Ryne,
So very well stated, and my thoughts exactly. Especially the real market for simple FL’s with a 3.2 to 3.5 cu capacity. I believe that 4.5 cu is too large more many users and too large for their dedicated WD space. I also agree with you there seems to be a lot of SQ users that have problems, and this will send me to AW.org hell too. They aren’t as trouble free as they should be considering the high cost.
I bought my BOL Roper for essentially the same reasons you bought your Whirlpool. And I haven’t regretted the decision. But given the preference I’d choose a 3.1-3.5 cu FL without an electronic control board. If machines like these were all that was available the overall use of both energy and water would decrease.
Eddie
Australian Speed Queen's
At least the Speed Queen top load washers for the Australian market give you the flexibility of a water level control AND they still have the proper gearbox in both the dial and touch control models:
Cheers
Leon
speedqueen.com
At least the Speed Queen top load washers for the Australian market give you the flexibility of a water level control AND they still have the proper gearbox in both the dial and touch control models:
Cheers
Leon
Australia | Speed Queen | Top Load Washers
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neptunebob
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I thought Bosch and Miele made small front loaders and there must be other European brands too that are of a size or 1 or 2 people.
Bob,
The 2.2-2.5 cu FL’s are too small for my needs and I believe that this is the same for Ryne too. The old 3-3.5 cu FL’s are the “Goldilocks” machine, not too small and not too big, but just right. I believe that this was the point that Ryne was trying to make.
You’re right, there are lots of small European FL’s and they are fine for the clothing of 1-2 people and bedding up to Queen Size, but it you want to launder King Size bedding these smaller FL’s are a no go, but the “Goldilocks” 3-3.5 cu FL’s will easily handle most King Size bedding, along with anything else you put into them, within reason of course.
Eddie
The 2.2-2.5 cu FL’s are too small for my needs and I believe that this is the same for Ryne too. The old 3-3.5 cu FL’s are the “Goldilocks” machine, not too small and not too big, but just right. I believe that this was the point that Ryne was trying to make.
You’re right, there are lots of small European FL’s and they are fine for the clothing of 1-2 people and bedding up to Queen Size, but it you want to launder King Size bedding these smaller FL’s are a no go, but the “Goldilocks” 3-3.5 cu FL’s will easily handle most King Size bedding, along with anything else you put into them, within reason of course.
Eddie
Speed Queen Color
I'm not concerned about the Speed Queen's color. I want performance. I like the heavy duty first intermediate spin to be at high speed and the spray rinse to start during the time that it has reached full speed. They could've added a bigger tub, dual action agitator, and an upgraded transmission that has all steel gears and is made of complete steel with faster agitation at about 140 OPM.
I'm not concerned about the Speed Queen's color. I want performance. I like the heavy duty first intermediate spin to be at high speed and the spray rinse to start during the time that it has reached full speed. They could've added a bigger tub, dual action agitator, and an upgraded transmission that has all steel gears and is made of complete steel with faster agitation at about 140 OPM.
