mrb627
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I just noticed on the SQ website that the FL with Boosted Hot is no longer listed. I hope they are not discontinuing it.
Malcolm
Malcolm
Speed Queen FL w/ Heater
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YIKES!!! That's the only one I would buy if I was to buy a Queen.
mrb627
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I sent an email to my contact at Speed Queen last night to find out what is going on. Maybe they are going to replace that model with something else.
Malcolm
I sent an email to my contact at Speed Queen last night to find out what is going on. Maybe they are going to replace that model with something else.
Malcolm
With the way manufacturers have dumbed-down water temps (hot is warm; warm is cold), there's no way I'd buy a new front-loader without a heater. I suppose it will improve the washer's energy-use score if it doesn't heat. No sanitize cycle either, I presume.
If the hot water temp isn't dumbed down, then there's no problem; you can control the temperature of the hot water at your household water heater.
If the hot water temp isn't dumbed down, then there's no problem; you can control the temperature of the hot water at your household water heater.
mrb627
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Not Speed Queen
To the best of my knowledge, Speed Queen hasn't dumbed down their water temps. I suppose there may be a few of the Boosted Hot models in warehouses around the Country. Trying to decide if I should go ahead and buy one just to have it.
Malcolm
To the best of my knowledge, Speed Queen hasn't dumbed down their water temps. I suppose there may be a few of the Boosted Hot models in warehouses around the Country. Trying to decide if I should go ahead and buy one just to have it.
Malcolm
eugene, that's exactly why I will only have a new front loader now--they have models available with heaters that can boost the temps up quite a bit. All the traditional top loaders have dumbed down temps. and I'm not too convinced about the HE top loaders being all that good for clothing.
Malcolm let us know what SQ
says about production! I'll order extra parts now if they are discontinuing the boosted heat model. LOVE MYNE!
says about production! I'll order extra parts now if they are discontinuing the boosted heat model. LOVE MYNE!
mrb627
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Availability
I see there are still some boosted hot models still available online. I am trying to decide whether I should order one and consider selling off the Imperials or looking at the Miele's again. Not sure where Speed Queen is ultimately heading if they begin eliminating features.
Malcolm
I see there are still some boosted hot models still available online. I am trying to decide whether I should order one and consider selling off the Imperials or looking at the Miele's again. Not sure where Speed Queen is ultimately heading if they begin eliminating features.
Malcolm
mrb627
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Well, it appears that due to increasing energy requirements, the Boosted Hot model has been discontinued as it will no longer meet the Energy Star qualifications. It seems that domestic machines that have a heater in them will begin to phase out over the next 2 to 3 years. And detergents that are formulated to work in cooler temperatures will begin to dominate the market.
I guess it makes sense. The Government has gotten the machines down to using as little water as possible. Now they will target the water heaters too. I wonder if these requirements played into Bosch pulling out of the large capacity market seeing as how they proclaim they guarantee a target wash temperature.
Malcolm
Well, it appears that due to increasing energy requirements, the Boosted Hot model has been discontinued as it will no longer meet the Energy Star qualifications. It seems that domestic machines that have a heater in them will begin to phase out over the next 2 to 3 years. And detergents that are formulated to work in cooler temperatures will begin to dominate the market.
I guess it makes sense. The Government has gotten the machines down to using as little water as possible. Now they will target the water heaters too. I wonder if these requirements played into Bosch pulling out of the large capacity market seeing as how they proclaim they guarantee a target wash temperature.
Malcolm
"It seems that domestic machines that have a heater in them will begin to phase out over the next 2 to 3 years."
WHAT?? I can't imagine that happening.
WHAT?? I can't imagine that happening.
mrb627
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New Model
Seems there may be a new model coming. There is one on the energystar website. Don't have any information on it though.
Seems there may be a new model coming. There is one on the energystar website. Don't have any information on it though.
Oh Malcom...........................................
Do you think you are going to get away with putting up info on NEW Speed Queen washers without any sort of follow-up, pictures, or anything DUDE????? That is wrong man, just plain wrong!!!! LOL
Mike
Do you think you are going to get away with putting up info on NEW Speed Queen washers without any sort of follow-up, pictures, or anything DUDE????? That is wrong man, just plain wrong!!!! LOL
Mike
Sorry if the truth is too political for this forum
We should know by now that corporations will do anything to chase the "Energy Star" rating. In fact, a while back, it was shown that they were self-certifying appliances as meeting Energy Star standards when some of the models with such a citation were real energy hogs. This just shows what happens when an idea is introduced and total insanity ensues due to the ignorance of bureaucrats and the greed of corporations. This was proved when pictures were posted of Department of Energy tests of dishwashers where the cleaning ability was tested using loads of clean dishes and glasses. Members here have proved that most front loaders do not fill with enough water to clear the cold water standing in the lines when set to a "warm" wash. We put up with all of this bullsh*t yet the government cannot force the energy companies to do anything about moving us to alternative fuels because elected officials depend on the energy companies for money for their campaigns. In fact, the energy companies block anything having to do with research into alternative sources of energy. It's the same story with phosphates. Instead of looking at the well financed agricultural interests and telling them to control their fertilizer use and keep the manure out of the waterways, phosphates in laundry detergents were banned because they said it was to expensive to put phosphate filtering in sewage treatment plants. Years after phosphates were banned in laundry detergents, the waterways are still showing high levels of phosphates so they go after dishwasher detergents instead of farms. I guarantee you that banning phosphates in dishwasher detergents is not going to make a difference in water quality in rivers and the Chesapeake Bay because it's agricultural pollution causing the problem. You should see the photos of chicken sh*t piled outside the poultry farms on the Eastern Shore of the Delmarva Peninsula where the big poultry processors pay farmers to raise their chickens. It rains and the stuff runs into the nearest waterway. It's the same in the midwest with pig farms where they produce more manure than pork and manure has more aroma than pork for those living nearby.
We should know by now that corporations will do anything to chase the "Energy Star" rating. In fact, a while back, it was shown that they were self-certifying appliances as meeting Energy Star standards when some of the models with such a citation were real energy hogs. This just shows what happens when an idea is introduced and total insanity ensues due to the ignorance of bureaucrats and the greed of corporations. This was proved when pictures were posted of Department of Energy tests of dishwashers where the cleaning ability was tested using loads of clean dishes and glasses. Members here have proved that most front loaders do not fill with enough water to clear the cold water standing in the lines when set to a "warm" wash. We put up with all of this bullsh*t yet the government cannot force the energy companies to do anything about moving us to alternative fuels because elected officials depend on the energy companies for money for their campaigns. In fact, the energy companies block anything having to do with research into alternative sources of energy. It's the same story with phosphates. Instead of looking at the well financed agricultural interests and telling them to control their fertilizer use and keep the manure out of the waterways, phosphates in laundry detergents were banned because they said it was to expensive to put phosphate filtering in sewage treatment plants. Years after phosphates were banned in laundry detergents, the waterways are still showing high levels of phosphates so they go after dishwasher detergents instead of farms. I guarantee you that banning phosphates in dishwasher detergents is not going to make a difference in water quality in rivers and the Chesapeake Bay because it's agricultural pollution causing the problem. You should see the photos of chicken sh*t piled outside the poultry farms on the Eastern Shore of the Delmarva Peninsula where the big poultry processors pay farmers to raise their chickens. It rains and the stuff runs into the nearest waterway. It's the same in the midwest with pig farms where they produce more manure than pork and manure has more aroma than pork for those living nearby.
whirlcool
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Is it a requirement that all washers have to be Energy Star rated? Why don't the washer mfgrs just sell units that are labeled "Non Energy Star"? I'd bet they'd sell a ton.
Anyone with common sense................................
Why can't we as consumers be given a choice as to what type of washer we want to buy? I knew full well when I bought my SQ AWN542 T/L that it wasn't "energy-star" rated, however, I knew that it was built well, quick, and did what it is built to do, that is......wash clothes.
Mike
Why can't we as consumers be given a choice as to what type of washer we want to buy? I knew full well when I bought my SQ AWN542 T/L that it wasn't "energy-star" rated, however, I knew that it was built well, quick, and did what it is built to do, that is......wash clothes.
Mike
toploader1984
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because the government want to control everything, tell us what to buy.... free country? freedom of opinion? NOT ANYMORE.
launderess
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Energy Star
We've been through this before.
Nothing forces appliance manufacturers to comply, but since they are getting "free" money from the government, they take it.
This versus the uncertain prospecs of spending sums on R&D and other costs associated with bringing a product to market that may or may not sell enough units to recoup costs.
Consumers have been "brain washed", if that is the proper word to look for the ESL as something good. Add to this various rebates and incentives, and it comes to a decent enough money savings for persons to pull the trigger.
IIRC, the only state with laws or proposals to mandate resource saving washing machines is Californina (surprise).
We've been through this before.
Nothing forces appliance manufacturers to comply, but since they are getting "free" money from the government, they take it.
This versus the uncertain prospecs of spending sums on R&D and other costs associated with bringing a product to market that may or may not sell enough units to recoup costs.
Consumers have been "brain washed", if that is the proper word to look for the ESL as something good. Add to this various rebates and incentives, and it comes to a decent enough money savings for persons to pull the trigger.
IIRC, the only state with laws or proposals to mandate resource saving washing machines is Californina (surprise).
But what is the logical end to this madness? We got front loaders with much improved water extraction and reduced water use. Then they began further reducing the amount of water used to the point where even if you bleed off the cold water sitting in the lines before filling a machine with hot water, it does not use enough to really heat up the components and the load. Then they started messing with the temperature of the water. Regardless of the temperature of the domestic hot water supply, instead of guaranteed minimums like with thermostatic mixing valves and heaters, we now have guaranteed maximums. It just keeps going and going, like any program the government starts, it will never end and will stray further and further from reality and from what's needed and what's wanted in a neat deal to transfer more of the country's treasury to corporations. Don't think that all of the research is being financed by corporations. They don't care. But in a quest to get government grants and subsidies for research to meet government standards set by bureaucrats who wash clean dishes to test dishwashers for cleaning ability and water use, they are more than willing to spend OUR money, not theirs, to find the end of the rainbow.
toploader1984
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it doesn't matter..... weather the company gets money or not I WILL NOT BUY A MACHINE THAT I CAN'T EVEN WASH IN HOT WATER IN that is just unacceptable. what if you have a dog that has diahria and takes a dump on your sheets? are you going to wash them in cold water?? if so i guarentee YOU wont want to sleep on them after.
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so disgusting..... my mother told me a story... a resteaurant she worked for used to wash their own linen napkins, when it was my mom's job to do the laundry for her side job she would use HOT! the owner would always come behind her and switch it to COLD...... my mom finally got fed up and told her off eventually. my mom said that when she put the linen in the dryer there was a pad of butter that was in there still in its regular shape not even melted or washed away...... think about it.... people blow their noses and everything in those napkins and here comes the next person who wipes their mouth on the same napkin that the other guy blew his snot in.
