Speed Queen Front Load With Heater?

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Chet, you have to follow the instructions in the user manual for this SQ Sanitize with Oxi. It's a prolonged wash phase, deeper rinses, longer spins if I remember correctly.

And I agree, makes me mad SQi so arrogant. And I get better results in a front loader with an onboar heater and very high wash water temps.
 
SQ is losing sales by not having a heater.

The average citizen is totally clueless about internal water heaters and their strong importance to delivering clean laundry in front loaders. There's no way I'd own a front loader without an internal heater or a top loader without a tempering valve.
 
I get the feeling this is simply a super heavy duty cycle. I'm not sure how well oxi works, but I've always been under the impression a true sani cycle gets temps over 180*F.

Speed Queen is arrogant I regret to say. I'd have given them the benefit of the doubt until they started deleting and rigging reviews while silencing dissenting voices. How the TR series is still in existence is beyond me.

I've actually been debating of switching to a SQ FL to save on what will probably ever increasing utility prices beyond 2022, but now I'm left to think I might be better off with what I have.

My water heater is some distance between where its located in the basement and the upstairs laundry room. With the low water charge, metal drums and king size load I can see the wash temps never exceeding 110*F I don't want to purge lines or set the water heater any higher than its at (145*F).
 
Why not

Put a small instantaneous heater to boost the hot water temperature? I that way you can boost it up to 180 if you so desperately want to, it’s the closest thing you can do to manually installing a heater in a speed queen washing machine
 
The thing the US has to realize being that if they wish to remain a super power they must put down their ego and take evidence based solutions into account that aren't always their own. Meaning since heaters have been such a success in Europe at producing clean laundry with less energy US manufacturers need to begin adding heaters to all front load washers.
 
You're forgetting several bits of facts.

First and foremost in Europe and many other areas outside of North America 208v-240v power dominates. In some cases domestic settings can or could get 400v power. As such washing machines heating their own water was a no brainer. Any worth their salt could take tap cold water from northern areas of Europe in winter and quickly reach near or boil wash temps.

United States and Canada for that matter when with top loading washers coupled with liberal use of chlorine bleach for whitening, stain removal and sanitizing. Thus need for very hot or boiling water really didn't exist in domestic settings. More to point with top loading automatics that used huge amounts of water for washing heater wouldn't have been practical.

Last bit brings up point that you can only extract so much electric power from a 120v/15amp outlet. Upping things to 20amp increases things a bit, but most laundry areas in USA have 120v/15amp ready. Before anyone starts not all homes have a 220v dryer electrical outlet. Especially in areas where natural gas dominates for any sort of heating purposes.

SQ front loaders are for all intent and purposes OPL/commercial/laundromat washers under the bonnet. That's the whole point. Those wanting a robust, no nonsense front loading washer that's built to last will go with SQ. These machines may have shorter cycles, don't heat water, and so forth but make up for that with a bit more aggressive wash action (in normal/cottons at least), and get through a wash cycle in < 40 mins. OTOH my European washers allot almost an hour for rinsing and final spin alone for some cycles.

SQ did offer a washer with heater early on, and IIRC it did not do well in sales. That might have been because it merely boosted incoming hot water to 120F or 140F, cannot recall which.

SQ does not sell commercial/OPL/laundromat washers with internal electric heaters, not in North America anyway. Laundromat/commercial washers can be fitted with steam heating capability, but that's another matter.
 
As I have said numerous times before, Americans have been brainwashed with dumbed down water temperatures and energy star guidelines. I've always had in the back of my mind my house is wired as 208V. I've not really paid much attention to it until the LG washer arrived last fall. The Duet never really struggled to get to 127F/158F on Whites and Sanitize temps. But Allergen and Heavy Duty did and I just dind't attribute it to those cycles incorporating the stepped temperture rises and the 208V. The first two always had a cooldown at the end of the heaviest soil levels and that wasn't always the case for the other two, so I just used the first two cycles (after all if a cooldown tempering of wash water dind't happen, that meant it didn't get to 125F). But the LG apparently has a waeker heater. It does pretty well to get to temps of 62C on the heaviest soil levels using Extra Hot for the allotted time on specified cycles. But it takes an additional 30-45 minutes to get from 63C to 70C-72C and fortunately I have a downloaded cycle that gives me that additional 30-45 minutes default on heaviest soil level.

And the 2015 Kenmore Elite dishwasher seemed to always add 15-20 minutes during the main wash cycle to make sure it reached the target water temperature it sensed it needed for heavy soil.
 
On wash day, turn up water heater?

I know this would not be an option for all. There is no automatic temperature control with Speed Queen. I am fortunate that I have a gas water heater. I would just turn it up as needed. I have been leaving mine at 120, and it seems to work for me. With that said, this definitely would pose a scald risk to hh with small children, disabled, and elderly.

Front load washers use so little water anyway, tap hot should be tap hot.

I really feel part of the reason my LG was so good at eliminating odors like mildew and diaper-type loads is the heated water. I have this one item that nothing has worked, I may turn up the water heater to see if that does the trick. Nothing including ofor out, bleach, or Lysol sanitizer has worked. I am definitely interested in getting the Laundry Alternatives portable with internal heater just for whites and those loads I described.
 
As one of those people who is "totally clueless about the importance of a water heater", I sure do get tired of people droning on about them as if it is impossible to get clean clothes without one. Our F&P top loader didn't have one, our SQ top loader did not have one and our SQ front loader doesn't have one and yet we have always had bright clean clothes. I wonder how we do it?
 
I have the FF7 since December 2021 and the "Sanitize" cycle is a joke. It uses hot water that comes in at whatever temp the water heater is set, minus cooling down thru the water pipes on the way to the washer, then tumbles the wash for 60 minutes (the owners manual is free on the SQ website) while the water cools down a bit more during the tumble action. The manual states to use Oxygen bleach and apparently SQ believes that alone will sanitize with whatever hot water temp any given consumer has arriving at the washer. Whatever.

While 'sanitize' can simply be defined as 'to make clean', this is a marketing ploy and it shall not be confused by this consumer with 'disinfect.'

So far, I haven't used the Sanitize cycle because having items tumble around for an hour does not appeal to me. Our household doesn't need to disinfect anything, and our elderly dog has since died, so this isn't a big issue.

I miss having an internal heater (our Miele did), but other factors led me choose to the SQ FL over other brands that have one. It is what it is. I lived with an non-hE TL for decades that had no heater and we all survived. ;-)
If SQ came out with a FL with an internal heater, I'd trade this thing in before you could blink an eye. It was nice having one, but we'll be fine without it.

Without the internal heater the pillowcases come out smelling clean by adding STPP, so it was simply an adaptation. (we use unscented detergent, so if it isn't clean, I know by smell; there are no perfumes to hide unclean items.)

I'm still pleased with the washer and have no regrets.
 

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