SPEED QUEEN PREVIEWS THEIR NEW CONTROL PANELS FOR THEIR TOP LOAD WASHERS!!!
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arbilab
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Mechanicals were reliable.... in the mechanical day. This is the cutcost day, where a junk mechanical is just as likely to fail as a junk digital.
So if you're going to jam digital down our throats as a reliability breakeven, at least make the damn thing programmable. Clever programming costs no more than stupid programming. You have to pay the programmer either way so it's just what you specify you want done.
It's possible to satisfy both customer sets. The ones who want only 2 start buttons (white cotton, permpress) and the ones who want to design their own program. With exactly the same hardware and software cost. Why is NOBODY doing that? Because they're stucking fupid? Yeah, that would explain it.
Because corporations are run by MBAs (which functionally should be called MCCs, Master of Cheap Crap) and MMas (Master of Marketing), neither of which have any concept whatsoever of what the product is supposed to accomplish. And if you try to explain it to them, their eyes roll back in their heads. Trust me, I saw it firsthand, as quality auditing engineer for Dell just before they blew off quality altogether (including me and everyone I worked with) 13 years ago.
The best you can possibly accomplish now is knowing what you want and what compromise best represents it.
So if you're going to jam digital down our throats as a reliability breakeven, at least make the damn thing programmable. Clever programming costs no more than stupid programming. You have to pay the programmer either way so it's just what you specify you want done.
It's possible to satisfy both customer sets. The ones who want only 2 start buttons (white cotton, permpress) and the ones who want to design their own program. With exactly the same hardware and software cost. Why is NOBODY doing that? Because they're stucking fupid? Yeah, that would explain it.
Because corporations are run by MBAs (which functionally should be called MCCs, Master of Cheap Crap) and MMas (Master of Marketing), neither of which have any concept whatsoever of what the product is supposed to accomplish. And if you try to explain it to them, their eyes roll back in their heads. Trust me, I saw it firsthand, as quality auditing engineer for Dell just before they blew off quality altogether (including me and everyone I worked with) 13 years ago.
The best you can possibly accomplish now is knowing what you want and what compromise best represents it.
Alr, I'm not surprised the survey wouldn't open... I made this thread in mid 2012!
lightedcontrols
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Why is it that ....
...when something's NOT broke they want to fix it anyway??? Speed Queen is the only machine that I ever recommend to my customers and haven't had one complaint yet! Amana had a pretty good electronic control on their SQ built machines, but the machines had other problems. They finally have it figured out and need to leave it alone.
...when something's NOT broke they want to fix it anyway??? Speed Queen is the only machine that I ever recommend to my customers and haven't had one complaint yet! Amana had a pretty good electronic control on their SQ built machines, but the machines had other problems. They finally have it figured out and need to leave it alone.
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I have heard through the grapevine...
... that it won't be long before Speed Queen will be manufacturing top loaders with the infamous disc in the bottom of the machine and a new mechanism a 'la the Cabrio, Bravos, etc... (pictures of the new mechanism have been seen) .... (and no I can't post them) The SQ agitator machines will soon be phased out. Sad day indeed... Mark
... that it won't be long before Speed Queen will be manufacturing top loaders with the infamous disc in the bottom of the machine and a new mechanism a 'la the Cabrio, Bravos, etc... (pictures of the new mechanism have been seen) .... (and no I can't post them) The SQ agitator machines will soon be phased out. Sad day indeed... Mark
AS long as they are well constructed and programmed...
... I don't see the problem with a washplate washer. You can't say that all HE TL's are bad! So lets hope the best! And may SQ will show how to make it. Sure, the loss of the last traditional TL will be a bad day for all the US-Folks. But we have to face the future. It was sure that this day would come any time! So lets hope they may use a bit less water in the wash and that for enable good waterlevels during the rinses. We'll soon see!
... I don't see the problem with a washplate washer. You can't say that all HE TL's are bad! So lets hope the best! And may SQ will show how to make it. Sure, the loss of the last traditional TL will be a bad day for all the US-Folks. But we have to face the future. It was sure that this day would come any time! So lets hope they may use a bit less water in the wash and that for enable good waterlevels during the rinses. We'll soon see!
When will Speed Queen discontinue the agitator design? Hopefully not in the next few years, but who knows.
neptunebob
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I think it would be neat if they brought back the script lettering that older Speed Queen appliances had in the 60s.
WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE STOP!!!!!
This is an OLD thread!!!! ALLIANCE HAS ALREADY STATED, AND IT HAS BEEN POSTED IN A PREVIOUS THREAD THAT THEIR CURRENT LINE UP OF WASHERS WILL BE IN PRODUCTION THROUGH
2018....AS A MATTER OF FACT THE TRANSMISSION WARRANTY HAS BEEN INCREASED FROM TEN TO A WHOPPING FIFTEEN YEARS!!!!
Sorry for yelling but everyone just calm down, this has been discussed to death, let's put it to bed already!
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Mike
This is an OLD thread!!!! ALLIANCE HAS ALREADY STATED, AND IT HAS BEEN POSTED IN A PREVIOUS THREAD THAT THEIR CURRENT LINE UP OF WASHERS WILL BE IN PRODUCTION THROUGH
2018....AS A MATTER OF FACT THE TRANSMISSION WARRANTY HAS BEEN INCREASED FROM TEN TO A WHOPPING FIFTEEN YEARS!!!!
Sorry for yelling but everyone just calm down, this has been discussed to death, let's put it to bed already!
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Mike
beekeyknee
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I'm sorry about my past language in this thread. I was dealing with water heater problems at the time and the government mandates that we're causing it. And it was keeping me from concentrating on other projects I needed to be doing and wasting my time. I still get angry when government interferes with the average citizens lives when we have enough problems. I understand that they're trying to help the general population, but I think sometimes they're misdirected in their efforts to help and end up causing more problems than they solve. I've been trying to temper my comments before posting. Getting upset and making inflammatory remarks doesn't help anyone.
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Hate to be the one to tell you this....
but my sources, and they are pretty good, are telling me that the agitator washer will be phased out THIS year. I've seen the new design so I know it's on it's way.....just sayin....
but my sources, and they are pretty good, are telling me that the agitator washer will be phased out THIS year. I've seen the new design so I know it's on it's way.....just sayin....
More info please lightedcontrols
Can you shed any light on the new design? Inquiring minds want to know.
beekeyknee: You have every right to be angry about ludicrous government meddling. In fact, your anger is only matched by mine when I see the results of misguided efforts towards ecology.
Can you shed any light on the new design? Inquiring minds want to know.
beekeyknee: You have every right to be angry about ludicrous government meddling. In fact, your anger is only matched by mine when I see the results of misguided efforts towards ecology.
New ENERGY STAR Speed Queen Top Load Washers
I hope you are correct Mark, as a SQ dealer it would be great if they came out with a well built ES TL washer, I know that many of their TL washer customers are difficult people with their heads in the sand, and that probably still use incandescent light bulbs [ LOL ] But the reality is if SQ is to continue growing they will have to start building a decent High Efficiency TL washer, we all know that their front load washers are great. They have very few problems with the boards in the FL washers, in fact far fewer than timer problems in their TL washers.
John L.
I hope you are correct Mark, as a SQ dealer it would be great if they came out with a well built ES TL washer, I know that many of their TL washer customers are difficult people with their heads in the sand, and that probably still use incandescent light bulbs [ LOL ] But the reality is if SQ is to continue growing they will have to start building a decent High Efficiency TL washer, we all know that their front load washers are great. They have very few problems with the boards in the FL washers, in fact far fewer than timer problems in their TL washers.
John L.
Count me combo52 as one
having my head in the sand. Actually it's quite lovely here. You ought to try it sometime.
Ya see, when my old school edison bulb quits, I can simply toss it.
When a CFL breaks(yes I have ONE that broke) one must "evacuate" the room for 15 minutes with FRESH air. I can't hoover up the broken bits either because of the traces of mercury.
Again, not everything that is "new" is actually "improved."
having my head in the sand. Actually it's quite lovely here. You ought to try it sometime.
Ya see, when my old school edison bulb quits, I can simply toss it.
When a CFL breaks(yes I have ONE that broke) one must "evacuate" the room for 15 minutes with FRESH air. I can't hoover up the broken bits either because of the traces of mercury.
Again, not everything that is "new" is actually "improved."
@washman
(*Off-topic*)
Precisely the reason why CFL bulbs and Fluorescent lights in general are being phased out/being made "Mercury Free."
Unfortunately, this has the negative effect of making older fixtures, such as Rapid-Start and Semi-Resonant-Start (SRS) fixtures, using the fat T12 bulbs obsolete, since they are damn near impossible to start with T8 or T5 tubes.
We have Rapid-Start lamps in our bathrooms - the ones with T5 tubes get very "finicky" in humid weather, presumably due to a poor ground. When the A/C is on or in Winter, they are great. Its so nice having "instant on" lights - no flashing fixtures, no delays in light.
Unfortunately, government meddling that deems the old bulbs "un-safe"(and the ballasts "in-efficient") is ruining this convenience. Rapid-Start fixtures can continue to light Fluro tubes that a Pre-Heat fixture is unable to start.
The ones we used to have in the hallway needed to be used for several hours weekly to ensure they would function correctly, and they were of the Rapid-Start type. Using the T12 tubes certainly helped them though - the "Eco" tubes (typically 24w with the Green cap) were effectively USELESS, and cycling the light switch was necessary to strike the lamp.
Even the new LED lamps contain materials that simply cannot be dumped like an Edison lamp: They contain electronic circuitry to run the lamp, which contains heavy metals and stuff that is "too valuable." Halogen lamps save lots of energy, and aren't harmful to the environment.
(*Off-topic*)
Precisely the reason why CFL bulbs and Fluorescent lights in general are being phased out/being made "Mercury Free."
Unfortunately, this has the negative effect of making older fixtures, such as Rapid-Start and Semi-Resonant-Start (SRS) fixtures, using the fat T12 bulbs obsolete, since they are damn near impossible to start with T8 or T5 tubes.
We have Rapid-Start lamps in our bathrooms - the ones with T5 tubes get very "finicky" in humid weather, presumably due to a poor ground. When the A/C is on or in Winter, they are great. Its so nice having "instant on" lights - no flashing fixtures, no delays in light.
Unfortunately, government meddling that deems the old bulbs "un-safe"(and the ballasts "in-efficient") is ruining this convenience. Rapid-Start fixtures can continue to light Fluro tubes that a Pre-Heat fixture is unable to start.
The ones we used to have in the hallway needed to be used for several hours weekly to ensure they would function correctly, and they were of the Rapid-Start type. Using the T12 tubes certainly helped them though - the "Eco" tubes (typically 24w with the Green cap) were effectively USELESS, and cycling the light switch was necessary to strike the lamp.
Even the new LED lamps contain materials that simply cannot be dumped like an Edison lamp: They contain electronic circuitry to run the lamp, which contains heavy metals and stuff that is "too valuable." Halogen lamps save lots of energy, and aren't harmful to the environment.
@combo52
I do not believe these people have their heads in the sand nor do I or the people on this forum. Front load washers by themselves when built right work well, but the vast majority of appliances whirlpool, ge and heir make are garbage. They do not clean well at all and far bigger is fact they don't last anywhere near as long. Front loads over seas are very different to ours with those countries having had decades to formulate detergents, cycles and engineer machines that are right. They have ironed out the bugs we haven't. We cant even get heaters in our washers without electrical upgrades or long cycles. Any front load by an American company just wont be the same, and the impeller machines are laundry suicide. American consumers see this and are having a knee jerk reaction looking for what worked well for them well in the past. Go and read any review on Lowes, Sears, Home Depot and you will see more than a usual number of folks irate at the new machines, asking for the old ones. Being the laundry conscious person I am having experimented on a number of machines the newer machines just aren't the same.
And since you mentioned CFLs a lot of people don't like them either, hence why other energy efficient light sources are being worked upon. They have mercury in them, some overheat and crack at the end of life, color isn't the same, warm up time,... your pick there is something of concern for everyone in a CFL. The mercury is alone enough of a concern for reason to complex to get into, break one and concentrations require room evacuation with gloved clean up, and yes, I get fluorescent lights are used everywhere. But when a fluorescent tube burns out or HPS/MV street lamp goes out the spent bulbs are required to be disposed of correctly by the licensed electricians doing the work. However in residential the average HO just tosses the bulb in the trash. One scenario gets correct treatment the other is anybody's guess. LEDs on the other hand are the future of lighting and so far I like them. Mercury free, no flicker, instant on, longer lasting, warm light nearly identical to incandescent.
Keep in mind we see a lot of questionable things in society because millions on billions are made off of the latest and greatest. When your asking millions of people to change habits for financial gain, understand you will have to sell a believable story to the public.
I do not believe these people have their heads in the sand nor do I or the people on this forum. Front load washers by themselves when built right work well, but the vast majority of appliances whirlpool, ge and heir make are garbage. They do not clean well at all and far bigger is fact they don't last anywhere near as long. Front loads over seas are very different to ours with those countries having had decades to formulate detergents, cycles and engineer machines that are right. They have ironed out the bugs we haven't. We cant even get heaters in our washers without electrical upgrades or long cycles. Any front load by an American company just wont be the same, and the impeller machines are laundry suicide. American consumers see this and are having a knee jerk reaction looking for what worked well for them well in the past. Go and read any review on Lowes, Sears, Home Depot and you will see more than a usual number of folks irate at the new machines, asking for the old ones. Being the laundry conscious person I am having experimented on a number of machines the newer machines just aren't the same.
And since you mentioned CFLs a lot of people don't like them either, hence why other energy efficient light sources are being worked upon. They have mercury in them, some overheat and crack at the end of life, color isn't the same, warm up time,... your pick there is something of concern for everyone in a CFL. The mercury is alone enough of a concern for reason to complex to get into, break one and concentrations require room evacuation with gloved clean up, and yes, I get fluorescent lights are used everywhere. But when a fluorescent tube burns out or HPS/MV street lamp goes out the spent bulbs are required to be disposed of correctly by the licensed electricians doing the work. However in residential the average HO just tosses the bulb in the trash. One scenario gets correct treatment the other is anybody's guess. LEDs on the other hand are the future of lighting and so far I like them. Mercury free, no flicker, instant on, longer lasting, warm light nearly identical to incandescent.
Keep in mind we see a lot of questionable things in society because millions on billions are made off of the latest and greatest. When your asking millions of people to change habits for financial gain, understand you will have to sell a believable story to the public.
Drought, High $ water.
Respectfully, to all the posters in this "old thread". Heads in the sand may be very appropriate, not to diminish someones flexibility and intellect. "Bill Maher" this weekend spoke of the drought in California. My sister in law near Boulder Co. told me of their communities billing systems that punishes folks by "penalty" type pricing when they exceed certain water usage readings on the meter. I am just saying if you have a big family, in an area with expensive water. The SQ a fine very nice machine, may not be the best option.
Respectfully, to all the posters in this "old thread". Heads in the sand may be very appropriate, not to diminish someones flexibility and intellect. "Bill Maher" this weekend spoke of the drought in California. My sister in law near Boulder Co. told me of their communities billing systems that punishes folks by "penalty" type pricing when they exceed certain water usage readings on the meter. I am just saying if you have a big family, in an area with expensive water. The SQ a fine very nice machine, may not be the best option.
Same here: Germans pay 50% more than the European average for utilities - and we're not even in a drought. Would I like to have a SQ top loader? Sure! Pay for its water use? No, thanks.
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