Italmex
What I wrote is just my opinion about the Miele, and the consideration about bleach is just a personal one.....
As for reliability.....I told I could not really say what I think most reliable among a speed queen or a Miele as they are very different in components, speed queen do not have displays, many electronics or fuzzy or such stuff...so less delicate things that could get broken....and cause expensive repairs.
But that's not the mater anyway as Miele, does not make agitator toploaders, it used to make semiautomatic agitator machines in the past, but not automatics and not certainly today.
But as everything it's my opinion about I like to share, like every one here does, and be taken accordingly to what it is....I do not trust at all CR and such guides....so could not care less of what they say as IMO it's all or anyway most made up.....
Let's say Miele gets a small slice of US market, for many reasons and in certain areas more than elsewhere....and are not as known as may be a domestic maker such a speed queen or stuff you find everywhere.....so maybe it's not like Miele is substantially less reliable than a Speed Queen, but simply less known, and sure most expensive.....
So I believe they also keep count of many factors like this, but as stated, I believe very little of what these reports says as are made with many nonsenses and various marketing and pseudo theorical driven facts, leaving little space for practical, omitting many aspects, and putting sone opinions and stetements that actually fnds little application in reality.......
But as per title thread, from my understanding, CR was anyway speaking of top loaders not FL and not washers in general, and in all honesty I find pretty obvious they rated most reliable the Speed Queen, even a donkey would realize that if it's not blind, deaf or something......if they said otherwise, it was the confirm to me that CR is not mostly but 100% unreliable and money/marketing driven IMO.
That's all......
Washer 111
Hi!
I don't think this is something related to components, or at least, likely yes, but not certainly of a front loader n general.
Boots and gum parts are much or less the same in every friont loader, they all have boots and gum parts, as for electronic componets such as sensors etc... You find similar components in other machines too...so...why in some machines bleach is perfectly okay and In Miele is not is pretty beyond me....
It's not a peculiarity of front loaders at all as I could tell you thousands makes in which bleach is perfectly okay....
Then, the speech about europeans, well, I think it's more like a culture thing, an habit, in this country bleach is used by many folks, not the most but many, not where I live anyway, but the bleach position in this country is, pretty tangible by the bleach commercialization, and another particularity is that it's use is more common in certain areas than in others, example, in southern italy is an habit more common than in the north and more common amng old people than younger, then, it also change country by country, while in Germany or who knows France apparently is not much common, can confirm you that in Spain the "lejia para la ropa" it's very very common.....and like spain other european countries....
As for what europeans relies for laundry, what I could see they rely much on is elbow grease for pre-treatment and pre- wash treatments and soaks, especially for stains, rather than their machines only.....as I think it should beinstead.
That's another speech I wanna do, as many people consider pre-treating a normal due thing, well, for me personally it's not....
If I have to pretreat all the times or most of the times, then what I have a washer for? i belive this should be the job of the machine, and if it's good just toss in dirt and should come out clean that's it...
And speaking now of front loaders, this is a thing I could sse they cannot give me, unless pretreatment is done.....
Letting apart the washing system that may be discussed infinitely, all my experiences about are that the same dirts and stains that gets perfectly clean in my toploaders in the front loaders I used doesn't, of course there were better and worse machines, but even the best one didn't remove them all, or at least not completely...unfortunately...
Darks always stays stained with cooking oil which seems the most difficult stain to get rid off darks in a FL , sauces and such also, they're usually stupid stains IMO that are noto hard to wash at all, not to mention the even thougher ones as motor oil and such, they stays the same they were, and the whites yes they get dingy, but dirt dingy as if dirt was still in them, not the normal yellowing,, and the stains in whites, I could selext the longer cycle and highest temperature one, but many stains would still be there....not completely removed, even the socks....so here I have to do them by hand or rewash second and third times....or do massive pretreating before, especially items that cannot stand boilwashes.
As for the people I am talking of, I could see both in here, and elsewhere test and results shared and claimed as if they were great, while items still had very noticeable halos and such...i cannot really call great, nor acceptable, nor what I am used to get for sure.
Or claims such machines removed stains they coukd never get rid off as if they were inpossible ones, when usually for me are a walk in the park, then comes those who says these machines washes cleaner than their previous one, and seeing the resukts and such claims, then, I cannot really think how they laundry was before, thing that I cannot really understand how that is possible...why...how...
Probably the same way they wonder how I do get these results with my top loaders when they cannot.
So what should I think.....
As said, I came to think that what for others is heavy dirt and though stains for me are easy, or viceversa.
That many people are actually happy with mediocre results, and for various reasons they got even worse results with their previous top loader machines.....
I learned that many people are probably and lilely unable to use one kind or another, so according to their previous habits and other factors such as water temp, detergent, and people's capacity to use a machine, a top loader may be considered better or worse....so much worse than what it may potentially give you if used correctly.
People expecting the job done in the same amount of time (too short cycles) , too less detergent, overloading etc.....
I also know the average laundry of today isn't as dirt as it once was.....so the are people being happy whatever they get.... one example is my aunt that washes stuff just worn few hours and stronger stains than a little sweat goes to dry cleaner or directly the trash bin, but she's full of money and it's not realist, though very afraid of every stain, it's not like she likes to dump everything, she rather avoid maniacally dirt and stains occurance for her, husband and sons.....but my granma for example when she came to know the top loader through my mother, she wanted one too at all costs as she seen the results, and she's still very happy with one....and found it much better than any she had before,
I am an old fashioned guy, I still use clothes for everything in my house, I get dirty alot, am not a picky sissy afraid of dirt as the average person of today, I get very dirty, and know I will get them clean again with no troubles and dramas today's people do for everything....
The average european person of today does not get as dirt...they really have other canons for what is impossible, though or light stain......
But again, or our machines are sort of blessed, or I cannot use front loader properly, which I exclude as I think I can knowing them very well, or don't know....
All i can say for certain is what I can see...
Just that am not completely happy with front loaders as I am with top loaders, unfortunately.....
There are many resons and facts involved in the top loader vs front loader thing though...
I can't enter in everyone's home to see what these facts may be.....i do have my findings, and my ideas, results of findings and experiences through the time, but cannot really determine with universal certainty what it's correct or not, right or wrong, as everything change, nor can anyone really I think, so I can say that I FOUND HE and front loader worse, and top loader the better ones, but cannot say that they're worse or better as a universal matter of fact....i will never be enough tired to remark this.
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