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On the '87 I've had door and tailgate latches break and had to take the door apart to wire it up, and had to replace the tailgate latch, the clip that holds the hood support on the '87 has long since broken, etc.

 

The tailgate latch and hood support clip on my '84 broke about the same time in 2016. 32 years was a good run both of them and they're still available. Haven't needed a door latch, yet. By the way, the hood rod support clip is part# 53452-90351.
 
Thanks Dan. They must have switched to plastic between '83 and '84. I hadn't worried about the hood support too much because it seems to slip nicely between the side of the clip that's still there and the upper radiator support, or whatever's there, without rattling around or damaging anything, though I think the grommet that holds it on the other end is gone too, but it still works. But it reminds me, I think I'm missing or broke clips that hold the grill on too that I've wired up somehow. Eventually maybe I'll have to order a bunch of clips for various trim and such.

Thanks for getting me started with the part number.
 
Two things.

 

With all due respect to Adam's mom, after we bought our first FL set (2007 full size Duet HT), and even though they were on pedestals, a friend said he'd never own a FL washer because he didn't like having to bend over to load and unload.  Then I asked him how he loads and unloads his dryer . . .

 

As for weight equating to durability, remember when everybody had to rent their (landline) phones instead of owning them outright?  The phones were heavy and built like tanks to take abuse and misuse and still last for decades, and the monthly rental charge was nominal.  If the sets did develop problems, The Phone Company came out and either repaired or replaced them for free, and nine times out of ten, the phone they took back was inspected, repaired, cleaned and redeployed.  It wasn't until subscribers were allowed to purchase their own phones from a wide range of alternative manufacturers that standards were lowered and the sets became flimsy.

 

I wonder how many people would opt for this same rental and free maintenance system with exceptionally sturdy, durable washers and dryers if it were available.  I'm not suggesting that such a business model would ever pencil out, because of all major home appliances, nothing works itself to death quite like a clothes washer.  But the phone example supports the argument that heavy, over-engineered, bullet-proof build quality and longevity tend to go hand in hand.

 

 
 
More Water? Better Results?

This is the reason I will never use a TL Washer. When I see all the water its draining.. It makes me upset. Thinking the natural resources and the planet we live in, it goes against my beliefs to use a TL.
Also I don't know if the Short TL cycles actually clean and Rinse. Look at this new trend of "Laundry Stripping". People finally realize that their clothes has a huge buildup of stains oils and detergent from the short cycles of Cold water.

I grew up with the mentality that the machine needs its time to wash clothes properly.
I've seen excellent results with heavily soiled clothes on my Miele and LG, without wasting all this water.
Its like those people I see on Instagram Reels using 100 gallons of running water just to Wash 2 dishes.
 
Agreed JB!

 

I cringe whenever I see someone walk away from a kitchen sink and leave water running with tap fully open.

 

Additionally, the cleaning ability of my 2004 Neptune FL has never disappointed me.  Quite the opposite.
 
Water usage

My TR5 has an Auto Fill setting which uses technology to supply the best amount of water for maximum cleaning potential. I use that setting all the time now and I haven’t had a load that I haven’t been happy with the results. If it was left up to me to choose the water level, I’m convinced I’d be using significantly more water!
 
Reply 27

I still own one of those Japanese machines, and it’s only had two repairs, the first one was the clutch mechanism, the second one was the drain pump that’s it and it works fine, it’s actually the second one that I’ve owned because the first one kept putting out rust flakes from somewhere,

Reply 34, with me I’ve grown up with the mentality of short cycles cold water basic basic basic, with me I’ve grown to love hot long cycles with a mixture of detergent, if a machine offers a hot wash, I will absolutely make use of it and please note I don’t mean hot washes with vigourous agitation, that sort of stuff can be left two machines with a 15 minute timer on them, and hell my daily driver at my mum‘s house is a machine that I normally do 60° washes on frequently, (60°C) And as well the machine does a DOUBLE wash first with a pre-wash style detergent and then Costco powder for the main wash, so technically my laundry in the wash twice in two different solutions with no rinsing

I’m honestly not a fan of how “everything has to be done today, the dishwasher can only run for 45 minutes overnight and you shouldn’t washing hot water it shrinks everything”[this post was last edited: 3/21/2023-14:01]
 
fascists and eco-nazis

They're the same thing when it comes down to dictating how much water we use forcing you to run either long cycles or force you to tamper with the machine to get it to do the job properly. Keep the fascists and eco-nazis out of my laundry room and kitchens! Keep them out of my laundry room too! They have no right to get into my business. I pay the bills, not them!
 
wind rivers

I completely agree with you. I am so sick and tired of these puny motors being overworked just like their puny transmissions. I want extra heavy steel and a real motor, pump and transmission behind it, and lots of water if I want and the proper hot, warm or cold whenever I want.
 
today's crappy washers

If you don't believe me, look at today's crappy machines. You cannot wash a full load of clothes in just a bucket of water. The machines will fly apart at high speed spin settings and these are made in China. Speed Queen should be the only brand that says American pride as there is proof in the build quality. I've seen the top hung suspension bash the cabinet like it was gonna break. So yes it is a piece of crap. I blame the EPA and Energy Star for the problems. Puny motors, puny pumps, puny transmissions, tubs that break, and on and on.
 
I think probably a better term instead of “Eco nasal“

And yes I am censoring it here after what unimac said, probably a better term is “eco-justice warrior“, And i’m not exactly one for saving the planet, but were using gray water and stuff like that is something For saving the planet, I’m for it, and probably washing in an old washer is doing a lot better job than Electric cars and using less plastic, because water is always naturally recycled and I mean recycled loosely, at least it’s not floating off into space Plus would the energy and resources needed to build a washing machine wouldn’t that outweigh the energy and environmental savings that washing machine uses throughout its lifetime Plus what about disposal? Is it better to keep an older machine running with very few pot changes instead of changing the machine every five years because it’s had some sort of irreparable issue

Sorry for hijacking the thread And ranting, as it’s 1:18 AM for me, let’s get back on topic
 
I just got a hold of Speed Queen. I asked about the TC7 and they told me they're releasing some new models out very shortly but all the details are not yet released. So I guess the rumor I've heard might be true. But unfortunately I also asked about the stainless steel FF7/DF7 and it's since been discontinued:( That sucks for me because I think that set is so gorgeous. If I would've bought a new front loader, it'd be that one. I'm honestly not a fan of the looks of the white FF7/DF7, in fact I'm not a fan of the white color on all appliances including vehicles. Even though my favorite washing machine is white. But luckily LG still sells the same grey front loader that my parents have and that would be my next choice to get for a front loader since I really do love the looks of it.
 
White Vehicles

I don't mind white appliances, but I consider white vehicles to be red flags.  They usually signify one of two things, and sometimes both:  the car is a rental and the driver is unfamiliar with the area, or they have a notoriously oblivious sort of driver behind the wheel.
 
regulators and washer efficiency

I don't like where this is going, especially when it seems that regulators are forcing manufacturers to lower water levels and use smaller pumps and motors in large appliances. Sorry about the language I used. I was very agitated with the way things are going. I am used to powerful agitation and lots of water - especially in top loaders.
 
but I consider white vehicles to be red flags.

 but I consider white vehicles to be red flags.

 

My early 70's Chrysler was black with cream vinyl interior and I got first degree burns climbing into the seat on 100F+ days a few times with shorts on. Also, no A/C.

 

My next car was white with cloth interior. Having the interior much cooler is what I preferred. Also, look around at white cars that have a couple of decades on them, they still look great. Easy to cover up/rub out scratches and easy to match up paint for if major damage occurs. 

 

When I was looking for a 1995 Lincoln Towncar, I was looking for white with gray interior buy couldn't find one with low miles that spent its time in a garage from day 1. Found a light gold one with tan interior that met the criteria and settled for it, but even that thing gets way too hot for me when outside temps are above 67F. It does have nice working A/C though.

 
For a non daily driver vehicle that hides in a garage, any color will do. But for daily drivers.....white.
 
I'm not understanding the objection to the color.

Most think it's boring color. It's a logical color and most kind of rebel against logic or the world be would full of vintage Maytags and white colored Toyota's.
 
To each their own, but a white colored car is too soulless for my taste and isn’t practical sanity wise. White, black, silver, and beige are hands down the WORST colors to EVER be on cars, I mean just look at today’s cars since that’s literally all you see.
 
There's some interesting blue colors out there now, I like Toyota's light blue they came out with a few years ago.

 

As far as red, black, and pretty much all dark colors, I don't have patience to keep them looking their best anymore. I remember spending an entire weekend washing and waxing my Chrysler only to have a dirty hazy appear with water streaks running all over the next day from the morning dew. F-that. Then the furnace interior on summer days. Glad I got that crap out of my system when I was young, along with speed demon driving. There are moments I'd love to go back in time bitch slap the hell out of myself.
 
Maybe I should have said late model white cars.  I have no issue with white cars in general; just a lot of the people driving them, and they're usually in mini vans, or midsize and smaller models.   Maybe it's just Bay Area demographics that have contributed to my sentiments, along with the fact that white is a very popular color in rental car fleets.
 
I’m interested to see if the new TC7 will be similar to my 2017 9-series, with selectable water levels and soil levels.

By the way, my washer needed its first repair at 5.5 years of age: A new inlet valve. Mine had started to drip into the tub. I always shut off the water faucets after the final load, so there was no fear of a flood. Still, decided to have it replaced. I’ve grown to enjoy this old school machine.
 

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