When you set the SQ FL water temp switch to hot wash, you get tap hot. If you purge the hot water lines of the cool water sitting in them before you start the washer, you will have a very hot fill. If your machine is in such a cool setting that you think the hot water will be too cooled by the cold metal parts of the machine, you can let it fill with hot water without a load in it (it only takes 3 gallons) and let it tumble a couple of minutes then drain the water and start it with a load in it. All of this is supposing that you keep your water heater at 140F.
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Speed Queen Top Load - AWN 432 or 542
Hey guys, I'm deciding between the AWN 432 or 542. I currently have a 432 where I'm living now, but will soon be moving and will leave the 432 here so I'll have to get a new one for the new place.
Both have the second rinse which is very important to me. On the 432 the wash/spin speeds are determined by the dial setting. For a delicate wash the only choice I have is intermittent gentle agitation with a slow spin. I do some loads for which I like the gentle agitation, though I'd rather it not be intermittent and I'd rather have a the normal spin speed. Because of this, I'm considering the 542.
The 542 has a separate dial for fabric selection...Regular (normal/normal), perm press (normal/slow), knit (gentle/normal), and delicate (gentle/slow). I determined this form the Care and Use guide I downloaded, but I couldn't figure out how the timer plays into it. That is, the timer has cycles for regular, perm press, delicate and hand wash. Does anyone have any idea?
Hey guys, I'm deciding between the AWN 432 or 542. I currently have a 432 where I'm living now, but will soon be moving and will leave the 432 here so I'll have to get a new one for the new place.
Both have the second rinse which is very important to me. On the 432 the wash/spin speeds are determined by the dial setting. For a delicate wash the only choice I have is intermittent gentle agitation with a slow spin. I do some loads for which I like the gentle agitation, though I'd rather it not be intermittent and I'd rather have a the normal spin speed. Because of this, I'm considering the 542.
The 542 has a separate dial for fabric selection...Regular (normal/normal), perm press (normal/slow), knit (gentle/normal), and delicate (gentle/slow). I determined this form the Care and Use guide I downloaded, but I couldn't figure out how the timer plays into it. That is, the timer has cycles for regular, perm press, delicate and hand wash. Does anyone have any idea?
You can choose any of the four speed selections (Fabric Selector) for any cycle.
Washman recently purchased the AWN 542 and loves it.
Washman recently purchased the AWN 542 and loves it.
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If money was no object, I would love to have a SQ top loader and front loader, with the double dryer.
mikeske
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I am now giving my 2 cents
My wife and I had a Maytag top loader and matching dryer that lasted 25 years. We were completely satisfied with the old Maytag but after 25 years the transmission finally crapped out and the tub was rusting out so we went shopping.
We decided to get a Maytag Neptune (the Samsung one) front loader, that was the biggest headache machine we had ever bought. 4 control boards, 3 tub seals, and a rear bearing. These were all replaced in the extended warranty. Thank god I bought the extended warranty but I knew once the warranty was expired that I was not going to sink another dime on this white elephant.
A year and a month after the warranty expired the front tub seal started leaking again and my wife and I were shopping again and my wife challenged me to find a mechanical dial top loading machine.
I did the research on line and found this web site and started to read, issue with the brand and that brand and none of them very good as in the days long gone but except for one brand and that was Speed Queen.
I then went to Youtube and typed in "Speed Queen" I watched a video of cloths being washed in a newer Speed Queen washer and then called my wife and repeated the video. My wife took one look at it and she demanded that we buy a top load Speed Queen. Since she is the head cloths washer I took her to the appliance dealer 17 miles north of our home and had them sell us a new AWN432 top loading Speed Queen.
After the first week our cloths are coming out of the washer a little wetter but much cleaner as the machine does not just sprinkle water on the cloths but gives us a full 30 gallons to wash the cloths the way we are use to.
What everyone here is saying buy what the head cloths washer wants and use the resources here and online but then decide and do not look back. After having the Speed Queen for the last 18 months we are satisfied and I have had zero issues except when my wife dropped a rag between the rubber ring on top of the machine and it dropped inside. I took the front panel off and retrieved the rag.
My wife and I had a Maytag top loader and matching dryer that lasted 25 years. We were completely satisfied with the old Maytag but after 25 years the transmission finally crapped out and the tub was rusting out so we went shopping.
We decided to get a Maytag Neptune (the Samsung one) front loader, that was the biggest headache machine we had ever bought. 4 control boards, 3 tub seals, and a rear bearing. These were all replaced in the extended warranty. Thank god I bought the extended warranty but I knew once the warranty was expired that I was not going to sink another dime on this white elephant.
A year and a month after the warranty expired the front tub seal started leaking again and my wife and I were shopping again and my wife challenged me to find a mechanical dial top loading machine.
I did the research on line and found this web site and started to read, issue with the brand and that brand and none of them very good as in the days long gone but except for one brand and that was Speed Queen.
I then went to Youtube and typed in "Speed Queen" I watched a video of cloths being washed in a newer Speed Queen washer and then called my wife and repeated the video. My wife took one look at it and she demanded that we buy a top load Speed Queen. Since she is the head cloths washer I took her to the appliance dealer 17 miles north of our home and had them sell us a new AWN432 top loading Speed Queen.
After the first week our cloths are coming out of the washer a little wetter but much cleaner as the machine does not just sprinkle water on the cloths but gives us a full 30 gallons to wash the cloths the way we are use to.
What everyone here is saying buy what the head cloths washer wants and use the resources here and online but then decide and do not look back. After having the Speed Queen for the last 18 months we are satisfied and I have had zero issues except when my wife dropped a rag between the rubber ring on top of the machine and it dropped inside. I took the front panel off and retrieved the rag.
frocco
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I think I am going with the Speed Queen 542 washer & matching Dryer. I wanted a Front Loader, but cannot see
spending 800 to a 1000 dollars more for the SQ.
This forum has helped so much.
spending 800 to a 1000 dollars more for the SQ.
This forum has helped so much.
You're certainly welcome, frocco! As you witnessed, we aren't shy when it comes to sharing opinions, here.
It's funny that both of us wound up ordering an AWN542 Speed Queen. Two weeks ago I had no idea I would be purchasing a new "2nd machine" for the laundry room. All the talk about Speed Queens enticed me to empty my bank account.
The AWN542 won't take the place of my front-loader, which has a number of advantages I consider important, but it will be great to own the last of the truly traditional top-loaders, with a fun-to-watch spin-drain, no less!
Be sure to check back here and give us your opinion of the Speed Queen. It will be fun to compare notes. Mine arrives late next week. The Frigidaire Immersion Care top-loader has already been moved to its new home only a few blocks away, so there's an open space ready and waiting for the SQ to move in.
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It's funny that both of us wound up ordering an AWN542 Speed Queen. Two weeks ago I had no idea I would be purchasing a new "2nd machine" for the laundry room. All the talk about Speed Queens enticed me to empty my bank account.
The AWN542 won't take the place of my front-loader, which has a number of advantages I consider important, but it will be great to own the last of the truly traditional top-loaders, with a fun-to-watch spin-drain, no less!
Be sure to check back here and give us your opinion of the Speed Queen. It will be fun to compare notes. Mine arrives late next week. The Frigidaire Immersion Care top-loader has already been moved to its new home only a few blocks away, so there's an open space ready and waiting for the SQ to move in.
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frocco
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Hi Frigilux,
>>The AWN542 won't take the place of my front-loader<<
Let me know if you still feel that way after using your 542.
Thanks
Frank
>>The AWN542 won't take the place of my front-loader<<
Let me know if you still feel that way after using your 542.
Thanks
Frank
After you see what a front loader can do with a few gallons of water, especially in the winter when very cold water has to be heated, you begin to think twice about filling the tub full of water to wash the same amount of laundry.
Traditional TL Washer vs a Front Load Washer
I would dough that anyone with both would use the TL as their main machine, a good FL washer just works so much better, I have had FL and Traditional TL machines for many years and the FLers get most of the use.
The basic design of a traditional TL washer as used in the US was conceived with the idea that the wash water would be used for at least 2 or 3 loads of clothing [ TL AWWs came from wringer washers and NOBODY that used WWs ever threw the water out after one batch of clothing was washed ]. To get decent cleaning out of a TL washer you have to use enormous amounts of detergent, water and heat all this water, just to begin to get the performance of a good FL washer.
I always drain the wash water from two loads in the FLers or my WP Calypso into a traditional TLer to start a load, otherwise the TLer never gets used.
And a TL washer while they can wash most items of clothing very well have a terrible time washing balky items like , coats, heavy bedding, jeans, these items just do not get washed uniformly in a TL washer without using huge amounts of washer and possible clothing damage.
If I could have only one machine I would get a machine that would excel at all laundry tasks, and the WP-MT FL washers are very good choices, with reasonable care you should get between 10-20 years use out of them. The SQ FL washer should easily last 2 to 3 times as long as the regular high volume brands,. but then again many of us might get bored with a washer after 30+ years LOL.
If you buy the MT or WP FLers and feel the need to buy a service contract, YOU are buying the wrong machine, by skipping the silly contract you will not only save money but possibly a lot of time and aggravation, John.
I would dough that anyone with both would use the TL as their main machine, a good FL washer just works so much better, I have had FL and Traditional TL machines for many years and the FLers get most of the use.
The basic design of a traditional TL washer as used in the US was conceived with the idea that the wash water would be used for at least 2 or 3 loads of clothing [ TL AWWs came from wringer washers and NOBODY that used WWs ever threw the water out after one batch of clothing was washed ]. To get decent cleaning out of a TL washer you have to use enormous amounts of detergent, water and heat all this water, just to begin to get the performance of a good FL washer.
I always drain the wash water from two loads in the FLers or my WP Calypso into a traditional TLer to start a load, otherwise the TLer never gets used.
And a TL washer while they can wash most items of clothing very well have a terrible time washing balky items like , coats, heavy bedding, jeans, these items just do not get washed uniformly in a TL washer without using huge amounts of washer and possible clothing damage.
If I could have only one machine I would get a machine that would excel at all laundry tasks, and the WP-MT FL washers are very good choices, with reasonable care you should get between 10-20 years use out of them. The SQ FL washer should easily last 2 to 3 times as long as the regular high volume brands,. but then again many of us might get bored with a washer after 30+ years LOL.
If you buy the MT or WP FLers and feel the need to buy a service contract, YOU are buying the wrong machine, by skipping the silly contract you will not only save money but possibly a lot of time and aggravation, John.
"I would dough that anyone with both would use the TL as their main machine, a good FL washer just works so much better"
I guess time is worth more to some people than others. Personally if I had both I promise you the FL wouldn't be touched. I don't want to sit and wait an hour (or usually more) for a load of laundry to wash.
I guess time is worth more to some people than others. Personally if I had both I promise you the FL wouldn't be touched. I don't want to sit and wait an hour (or usually more) for a load of laundry to wash.
Totallyl agreed JeffG
Nor do I want to have to invest in special detergent to minimize suds.
Laundry need not be complicated; unfortunately, marketing at the big companies has apparently convinced many that it IS a complex process
Nor do I want to have to invest in special detergent to minimize suds.
Laundry need not be complicated; unfortunately, marketing at the big companies has apparently convinced many that it IS a complex process
Ben,
You have quite a bunch of interesting Speed Queen pictures. Where did you get them from?
You have quite a bunch of interesting Speed Queen pictures. Where did you get them from?
foraloysius, I just googled them
some came from Ebay, some came from flikr.com.
After the first of the year, I think I will submit my resume to Alliance in Ripon. I can handle packers football, cheese, and German beer and brats.
Not sure if they could even use my talents, be as it may, but I am enthusisatic about the product.
I emailed them asking for some old advertisment literature; I have not yet heard back.
Only thing is I don't think you can dove hunt in Wisc. I may be wrong. That would be a bummer.
some came from Ebay, some came from flikr.com.
After the first of the year, I think I will submit my resume to Alliance in Ripon. I can handle packers football, cheese, and German beer and brats.
Not sure if they could even use my talents, be as it may, but I am enthusisatic about the product.
I emailed them asking for some old advertisment literature; I have not yet heard back.
Only thing is I don't think you can dove hunt in Wisc. I may be wrong. That would be a bummer.
The nice thing about the SQ FL is that it has a NORMAL cycle that takes about 45 minutes and a final spin that really removes as much water as the Miele W1986.
You have quite a collection!
mrb627
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Submit your resume now!
Malcolm
Submit your resume now!
Malcolm
Traditional TL Washer vs a Front Load Washer
Speed Of A FL Washer vs A TL machine.
My SQ FLer is the older small door model built in 2005 and it does the maximum cycle in just 30 minutes unless I select boosted hot wash which adds 15-30 minutes to the initial wash time depending on load size. So actually my FL washer is the fastest AW washer I have and the one I use if I an in a hurry, My LKM Gas combo and my GE combo [ both 1966 ] also complete the complete WRS cycle in just 30 minutes.
Cycle time does not have much to do with a machine loads from the front or top, and the new FL machines that do take up to two hours to complete a full cycle do a much better overall job than a traditional TL washer could ever dream of doing, let alone the fact that you save a lot of time drying the load afterwords.
Speed Of A FL Washer vs A TL machine.
My SQ FLer is the older small door model built in 2005 and it does the maximum cycle in just 30 minutes unless I select boosted hot wash which adds 15-30 minutes to the initial wash time depending on load size. So actually my FL washer is the fastest AW washer I have and the one I use if I an in a hurry, My LKM Gas combo and my GE combo [ both 1966 ] also complete the complete WRS cycle in just 30 minutes.
Cycle time does not have much to do with a machine loads from the front or top, and the new FL machines that do take up to two hours to complete a full cycle do a much better overall job than a traditional TL washer could ever dream of doing, let alone the fact that you save a lot of time drying the load afterwords.
frocco
Member
Wanted to post an update on my buying decision.
I cancelled the Maytag purchase and ordered the Speed Queen 542 and SQ Dryer.
I wanted all those bells and whistles, but decided that the 1000.00 cost difference was not worth it.
If I had purchased the Maytags, my wife wanted the pedestals and that pushed it over our budget limit.
So my SQ's should be here next week.
Ironically, I purchased a SQ measuring glass last week from ebay.
Regards,
Frank
I cancelled the Maytag purchase and ordered the Speed Queen 542 and SQ Dryer.
I wanted all those bells and whistles, but decided that the 1000.00 cost difference was not worth it.
If I had purchased the Maytags, my wife wanted the pedestals and that pushed it over our budget limit.
So my SQ's should be here next week.
Ironically, I purchased a SQ measuring glass last week from ebay.
Regards,
Frank
Frank-- Be sure to raise the water level. It's very simple. Here's the demonstration video I watched. My dealer made the adjustment for me, as doing it yourself technically voids the warranty. Be sure to unplug the washer when you open the console. My dealer didn't do that, even though he said, "Better be careful not to electrocute myself." Don't know if you want to defeat the lid switch so you can watch it work, but that's simple to do, as well. I did that one myself, as the dealer refused to; understandably so.
Meant to ask earlier and forgot: What was the brand and format (TL or FL) of your previous washer?
I like the AWN542, though I've only washed 5 loads so far. I still prefer my front-loader for a lengthy list of reasons, but if you're going to have a top-loader, the SQ is the way to go!
Meant to ask earlier and forgot: What was the brand and format (TL or FL) of your previous washer?
I like the AWN542, though I've only washed 5 loads so far. I still prefer my front-loader for a lengthy list of reasons, but if you're going to have a top-loader, the SQ is the way to go!
frocco
Member
Frigilux
Thanks for the info.
Wish I could afford to have both.
My last washer was an Amana TL
Thanks for the info.
Wish I could afford to have both.
My last washer was an Amana TL
frocco
Member
Thanks Washman
Hope I won't be disappointed.
Hope I won't be disappointed.
Brave new world
Top loader vs front loader? Is that like caveman beat clothes on rocks vs man inventing the wheel?
Beats me. But front load washers have been THE choice of commercial use longer than Ive been alive, and I'm 55 years old. And SQ does seem to have the market share in commercial FL washers.
Are the laundromats buying machines based more on energy use and water consumption, and less of quality washing capability? Possibly. Probably. But how many complain their clothes didn't come clean at the laundromat? So if the clothes come out clean, AND you save energy, isn't that a win win? You save on your electric bill, both in the electrical consumption the washer uses, as well as the drying time in the dryer. You save water, which for people like me, on a well, is the difference between having water for a shower or not, and, you use less soap.
I read a lot of the complaints about front loaders. Smell, mold, mildew, vibration. But dig deeper. These machines use 1/10th the wash water of a TL, yet people put in as much detergent as they put in their TL. They park the machines on light flexible floors, even though the OM specifically says to place them on firm foundations. You cant do everything wrong and then complain when the machine doesn't work right.
I took this LG FL apart (bad bearings). The soap drawer was gooey as was the fabric softener drawer. Did they use too much? The drum had heavy residue all around the front and back, and the support spider was clogged with soap scummy grunge. But no corrosion.
I don't know how it will work out, but I'm committed to the technology. Were going to use powdered soap and zero fabric softener in the machine, and cut the soap quantity back to about 1/10th (or less) the amount per wash we used in the TL, and see how it works. And regardless how this LG works out, Ive got my eye out for a commercial grade SQ front loader and dryer. My goal is to have a vertical stack in the wash room.
Top loader vs front loader? Is that like caveman beat clothes on rocks vs man inventing the wheel?
Beats me. But front load washers have been THE choice of commercial use longer than Ive been alive, and I'm 55 years old. And SQ does seem to have the market share in commercial FL washers.
Are the laundromats buying machines based more on energy use and water consumption, and less of quality washing capability? Possibly. Probably. But how many complain their clothes didn't come clean at the laundromat? So if the clothes come out clean, AND you save energy, isn't that a win win? You save on your electric bill, both in the electrical consumption the washer uses, as well as the drying time in the dryer. You save water, which for people like me, on a well, is the difference between having water for a shower or not, and, you use less soap.
I read a lot of the complaints about front loaders. Smell, mold, mildew, vibration. But dig deeper. These machines use 1/10th the wash water of a TL, yet people put in as much detergent as they put in their TL. They park the machines on light flexible floors, even though the OM specifically says to place them on firm foundations. You cant do everything wrong and then complain when the machine doesn't work right.
I took this LG FL apart (bad bearings). The soap drawer was gooey as was the fabric softener drawer. Did they use too much? The drum had heavy residue all around the front and back, and the support spider was clogged with soap scummy grunge. But no corrosion.
I don't know how it will work out, but I'm committed to the technology. Were going to use powdered soap and zero fabric softener in the machine, and cut the soap quantity back to about 1/10th (or less) the amount per wash we used in the TL, and see how it works. And regardless how this LG works out, Ive got my eye out for a commercial grade SQ front loader and dryer. My goal is to have a vertical stack in the wash room.
Maybe a way to market the front loader
Is to say that it is the last washer one may ever buy. Try to appeal to those customers and SQ may well sell a lot of front loaders. If I had a family I might well want one of those even with the high price, knowing it might outlast at least 2 duets.
Oh, wait just read above and Combo, you do recommend the FL.
My question is, why doesn't Consumer Reports like it? If it is a matter of not cleaning heavily soiled clothes, it the FL still a good choice if maybe you work in a office and your clothes are not as dirty?
Is to say that it is the last washer one may ever buy. Try to appeal to those customers and SQ may well sell a lot of front loaders. If I had a family I might well want one of those even with the high price, knowing it might outlast at least 2 duets.
Oh, wait just read above and Combo, you do recommend the FL.
My question is, why doesn't Consumer Reports like it? If it is a matter of not cleaning heavily soiled clothes, it the FL still a good choice if maybe you work in a office and your clothes are not as dirty?
rll70sman
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New Speed Queens
Well, I finally gave in to all the conversation on here lately about Speed Queen washers and dryers. Today I did the unthinkable and drove on down to Bathrick's Appliances here in Hastings and ordered my Speed Queen top-load washer and electric dryer. They are set to be delivered on Wednesday or sooner if the delivery guys have a cancellation.
I should've did this last year and forgone the Whirlpool top loader I have now. It's got the stupid automatic temperature control and lid lock. The dumb thing gets unbalanced at least once a week and takes forever to finish a normal load of wash.
I'll update everyone on my new toys later this week.
Rob
Well, I finally gave in to all the conversation on here lately about Speed Queen washers and dryers. Today I did the unthinkable and drove on down to Bathrick's Appliances here in Hastings and ordered my Speed Queen top-load washer and electric dryer. They are set to be delivered on Wednesday or sooner if the delivery guys have a cancellation.
I should've did this last year and forgone the Whirlpool top loader I have now. It's got the stupid automatic temperature control and lid lock. The dumb thing gets unbalanced at least once a week and takes forever to finish a normal load of wash.
I'll update everyone on my new toys later this week.
Rob
I purchased a Speed Queen AWN542 top-loading washer a couple of weeks ago and like it a lot. If you are looking for the classic top-load experience, you made the right choice.
Just make sure to tell the installers you want the water level raised to the top row of holes in the tub. SQ lowered the water level to meet water-use mandates, but customer service has given dealers permission to raise the water level back to the top of the tub if the customers requests it.
Just make sure to tell the installers you want the water level raised to the top row of holes in the tub. SQ lowered the water level to meet water-use mandates, but customer service has given dealers permission to raise the water level back to the top of the tub if the customers requests it.
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