Stator/Rotor Drive Cabrio Washers
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vacerator
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you can
download and print the entire Maytag Bravos direct drive service manual online free.
The operation, design, and repair steps and photos are in it.
Just Google it. I found it a few years ago.
These are now out of production.
Every top load product from Whirlpool is of the belt driven modular vertical drive system now.
download and print the entire Maytag Bravos direct drive service manual online free.
The operation, design, and repair steps and photos are in it.
Just Google it. I found it a few years ago.
These are now out of production.
Every top load product from Whirlpool is of the belt driven modular vertical drive system now.
Not every topload washer from Whirlpool is belt driven. The higher end machines (4.8 cubic feet and above) for topload laundry are BPM (direct) driven machines with a planetary drive. No belt in sight. It's sort of a combination of the old floating basket Oasis machines and the VMW system.
vacerator
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Jamie,
yes, they were, until the latest models with the new consoles with fewer cycle selections came out.
Listen to a few on youtube. Plenty of videos now. Clearly audible as the belt driven splutch gear case.
The rotor/stator DD ones were much quieter.
Whirlpool stock nose dived Monday.
yes, they were, until the latest models with the new consoles with fewer cycle selections came out.
Listen to a few on youtube. Plenty of videos now. Clearly audible as the belt driven splutch gear case.
The rotor/stator DD ones were much quieter.
Whirlpool stock nose dived Monday.
The latest models with the new consoles are the machines with a BPM motor and a planetary drive. The previous machines had the floating basket and BPM motor with no planetary drive. They may sound more similar to the VMW machines, but they are direct drive. I can tell you that with absolute certainty working in the laundry division for Whirlpool. 
The latest model Cabrios do not have a belt. Yes, you can hear the whirring of gears during agitation, but the BPM motor is bolted right into a gearbox. The lower end models of the Cabrio and Bravos are still belt driven, but not the flagship Cabrio and Bravos XL.
vacerator
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So
they removed the belt, and bolted the motor to the gearbox making it direct drive.
It's still not a hall sensor rotor and stator set up.
they removed the belt, and bolted the motor to the gearbox making it direct drive.
It's still not a hall sensor rotor and stator set up.
Except that it literally is the rotor/stator set up, mounted directly to the planetary gearbox, which is directly connected to the wash plate.
Here's a link to one of the videos I have @washer10. You should be able to click the timestamps in the description if you want to jump to the different phases. 
I believe YouTube user "cruellaursula" has video of his new Cabrio 8500, but for some reason I'm not finding them from my phone. His is the new design with the rotor/stator BPM motor with the planetary gearbox. I haven't come across any videos of the lower end models that have the standard VMW belt drive, but I'm sure it sounds and operates the same as the older low-end Cabrio and Bravos X, and there should be plenty of those floating around.
I believe YouTube user "cruellaursula" has video of his new Cabrio 8500, but for some reason I'm not finding them from my phone. His is the new design with the rotor/stator BPM motor with the planetary gearbox. I haven't come across any videos of the lower end models that have the standard VMW belt drive, but I'm sure it sounds and operates the same as the older low-end Cabrio and Bravos X, and there should be plenty of those floating around.
glomain
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ya
plenty of them floating around in a scrap yard ! lmao
plenty of them floating around in a scrap yard ! lmao
vacerator
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Yes Glomain, junk.
So now the motor is directly beneath the splutch gear case so when the seals blow and leak, the motor also fryes up. Brilliant!
Of course, the same could happen with the old DD set up.
Once the splutch gearbox fills with water, it's toast anyhow.
So now the motor is directly beneath the splutch gear case so when the seals blow and leak, the motor also fryes up. Brilliant!
Of course, the same could happen with the old DD set up.
Once the splutch gearbox fills with water, it's toast anyhow.
vacerator
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Perhaps
the latest Whirlpool TV commercial should be about it's design? "Oh, what did you do?" "How did that happen?" "Now how is mommy supposed to get that stain out with a washer that doesn't work?"
the latest Whirlpool TV commercial should be about it's design? "Oh, what did you do?" "How did that happen?" "Now how is mommy supposed to get that stain out with a washer that doesn't work?"
One would think, because you seem to hate anything modern so much, that you'd be over on Imperial gracing with your presence than chiming in here with misinformation.
As far as I know, Samsung, LG, and GE all use practically the same setup; a BPM motor disc, a planetary gearbox for torque conversion purposes, an electromagnetic splutch system of some sort to lock the tub for spin, all mounted directly together. I haven't heard of Whirlpool or any of those companies having widespread issues with water seals and frying parts, and out of the big brands, I hear of Whirlpool the least when it comes to problems.
Also, any top loader carries the same risk of a seal failure and having water fall down onto electrical components, that's a bit of a given considering you can't really have the motor and pumps mounted above, because where would you put your clothes? In between the small gap past the suspension and mounting braces? Every single manufacturing brand has had at least a handful of top load washers with seal failure, even Speed Queen, so your argument is irrelevant. Just because something -could- happen doesn't mean it's grounds to never touch a certain brand or machine, because then you'd be washing clothes in the tub. Any machine can malfunction in some way regardless of where it was made or how expensive it was.
As far as I know, Samsung, LG, and GE all use practically the same setup; a BPM motor disc, a planetary gearbox for torque conversion purposes, an electromagnetic splutch system of some sort to lock the tub for spin, all mounted directly together. I haven't heard of Whirlpool or any of those companies having widespread issues with water seals and frying parts, and out of the big brands, I hear of Whirlpool the least when it comes to problems.
Also, any top loader carries the same risk of a seal failure and having water fall down onto electrical components, that's a bit of a given considering you can't really have the motor and pumps mounted above, because where would you put your clothes? In between the small gap past the suspension and mounting braces? Every single manufacturing brand has had at least a handful of top load washers with seal failure, even Speed Queen, so your argument is irrelevant. Just because something -could- happen doesn't mean it's grounds to never touch a certain brand or machine, because then you'd be washing clothes in the tub. Any machine can malfunction in some way regardless of where it was made or how expensive it was.
vacerator
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Is this an open
forum?
forum?
I've always felt that the centerpost of a WP/Kenmore direct drive or belt drive machine from the past did not have as many water leaking problems as these seals that sit at the bottom of the outer tub. When water did get into the centerpost, it wasn't pretty, but didn't seem to happen as often or as soon as these other tub seal failures. Just my 2 cents.
vacerator
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Right John,
I agree.
I agree.
joeypete
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I like the way the new WP's sound...does sound similar to the belt drive machines, but with a kick haha. I do miss my Oasis design Kenmore. It did a hell of a job at cleaning.
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