Alan, would music with a strong bass line make the china cups rattle?
stereo turntables in DD use.
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Here's the Pioneer and Dual
1980's with rest of my system.
All Pioneer except Yamaha CD player (their 1st one).
Don't have any of it anymore.
Not seen below those is a Pioneer RT-707 reel-to-reel deck. Still have that!
1980's with rest of my system.
All Pioneer except Yamaha CD player (their 1st one).
Don't have any of it anymore.
Not seen below those is a Pioneer RT-707 reel-to-reel deck. Still have that!
philr
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Allen,
This one looks quite similar to a Dual...
This one looks quite similar to a Dual...
Seeing all these great turntables makes me pine for my DD Pioneer PL-71. It was one of several turntables I had in high school, circa mid-'70s.
I had a beautiful linear-tracking Harmon Kardan in college, and later a Bang & Olufsen, which was destroyed in an accident. Now I have a crappy plastic Sony which I bought online a year ago. I don't play my records much---usually only to burn them onto a CD.
I still say you can't beat the depth and warmth of a top-notch turntable/cartridge combination.
I had a beautiful linear-tracking Harmon Kardan in college, and later a Bang & Olufsen, which was destroyed in an accident. Now I have a crappy plastic Sony which I bought online a year ago. I don't play my records much---usually only to burn them onto a CD.
I still say you can't beat the depth and warmth of a top-notch turntable/cartridge combination.
Thanks for the info on my barrel unit......I seen it and thought it was a great addition to the matching endtables we had in the family room.....its a suprise to everyone when they see it open up, and then to hear the great sound from something like this.........I mis the console stereo my parents had....those styles had great sound.....ours was a combination with the TV....
heres my Dual I got for 12.00.....I love the option to use it as a changer or as a single player......
heres my Dual I got for 12.00.....I love the option to use it as a changer or as a single player......
one of my original turntables from my MCS system.....linear tracking...and can hang on the wall....people get impressed seeing it playing almost upside down...I need to get a new belt for it....
This is a fun thread....thanks for sharing and posting everybody!
This is a fun thread....thanks for sharing and posting everybody!
one of my original turntables from my MCS system.....linear tracking...and can hang on the wall....people get impressed seeing it playing almost upside down...I need to get a new belt for it....
This is a fun thread....thanks for sharing and posting everybody!
This is a fun thread....thanks for sharing and posting everybody!
Alan, would music with a strong bass line make the china cup
I imagine strong bass would indeed make the china cups rattle, possibly even slide off or close to the edge too. Bone china may shatter, and cookies would turn back into flour. I love to pass on Magnavox information Yogi, it's my main mission in life-it would seem!
I have, or had a Garrard turntable like the last one shown so far. It's in storage if I do. I just bought one of those sleazy BSR/Panasonic changers from the late '60s to plug into one of my mini CD radio systems.
I imagine strong bass would indeed make the china cups rattle, possibly even slide off or close to the edge too. Bone china may shatter, and cookies would turn back into flour. I love to pass on Magnavox information Yogi, it's my main mission in life-it would seem!
I have, or had a Garrard turntable like the last one shown so far. It's in storage if I do. I just bought one of those sleazy BSR/Panasonic changers from the late '60s to plug into one of my mini CD radio systems.
whirlcool
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Alan, would music with a strong bass line make the china cup
If you had a pair of JBL 4311's and an amp with 250W per channel it very well could!
If you had a pair of JBL 4311's and an amp with 250W per channel it very well could!
china rattle......thats nothing......when I lived in Princeton....if the neighbors could not hear/feel my music...they knew I was blasting the stereo by the lights flickering, I was Jamming!
I had a four piece rock band two houses west of me, making recordings in the back bedroom, never heard a sound out of them. Then one of the neighbors who is the drummer gave me a five song CD of one of their performances. I played it on the armoire theatre, through a Magnavox DVD player. Sounded good and solid.
Whirlcool, I think your JBL 4311s with 250 watts per would IONIZE the china!
Whirlcool, I think your JBL 4311s with 250 watts per would IONIZE the china!
whirlcool
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I have a pair of JBL 4311's sitting in the closet. I swapped them out when I put in the AR-3a's. Right now I have a pair of Bang & Olufsen S75 speakers in my office connected up to a Beomaster 1900. The S75's really sound great. I think they are very under rated. I would say they sound as good as the 4311's at 1/3 the price.
electroluxxxx
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when It comes to audio, I love my clarity. I have 2 turntables one is a pioneer pl-4 and the other is a technics SL-D2. the technics is run on a full pioneer system with a set of advent prodigy towers and a set of infinity 3000 speakers. the pioneer tt is hooked up to my 79' pioneer sx 780 and hooked to a pair of marantz 30/300 ill take some pics later 
twintubdexter
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How very cool to see...
...all this interest in turntables and so many people using them. The two I currently use are both in console stereos...one is a very nice Magnavox remote-controlled Micromatic in my Imperial Armoire. The other unit, a freebee Magnavox console rescued from the curb had a replacement cheap Radio Shack plastic changer which I replaced with a Garrard A-70 from about the same vintage as the stereo. I always wanted one of those Garrards that changed records from the rear. I had to add a small inexpensive pre-amp for the magnetic cartridge.
I also have a Sansui linear-tracking turntable that's been in the closet for 10 years. All this interest in turntables has made me decide to hook it up to my main audio system and start using it. It has this cool tone arm that moves across the record and counts the number of tracks, then you just push the buttons on the front to play the selections in any order. The arm has a red light on the end and the platter is lighted too. Back in the 80's I thought this was soooooo space-age!
...all this interest in turntables and so many people using them. The two I currently use are both in console stereos...one is a very nice Magnavox remote-controlled Micromatic in my Imperial Armoire. The other unit, a freebee Magnavox console rescued from the curb had a replacement cheap Radio Shack plastic changer which I replaced with a Garrard A-70 from about the same vintage as the stereo. I always wanted one of those Garrards that changed records from the rear. I had to add a small inexpensive pre-amp for the magnetic cartridge.
I also have a Sansui linear-tracking turntable that's been in the closet for 10 years. All this interest in turntables has made me decide to hook it up to my main audio system and start using it. It has this cool tone arm that moves across the record and counts the number of tracks, then you just push the buttons on the front to play the selections in any order. The arm has a red light on the end and the platter is lighted too. Back in the 80's I thought this was soooooo space-age!
whirlcool
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Linear tracking is supposed to be the best way to play records. You don't have to worry about tonearm skating drift towards the center of the platter. You also didn't have to jump through hoops getting the azimuth and overhang of the cartridge just right. The linear trackers used P-mount styli so it was just plug and play. Even Dual made one for awhile in the 80's, but they didn't make many.
For some reason the idea never caught on. Lots of manufacturers made them, but they never were big sellers.
For some reason the idea never caught on. Lots of manufacturers made them, but they never were big sellers.
I did have a Linear turntable. Been years forgot who made it, But the problem with it was not worth fixing.
The arm ran by a motor and string had the string break. To have that fixed was not worth it. They used a plastic system for it and the parts had started to break.
When it worked it was great 2 speed unit. Even had remote and you could set it to play and skip tracks.
Bad thing it was slow to play. Speed right on but took it forever to start the arm was slow as cold car oil.
The arm ran by a motor and string had the string break. To have that fixed was not worth it. They used a plastic system for it and the parts had started to break.
When it worked it was great 2 speed unit. Even had remote and you could set it to play and skip tracks.
Bad thing it was slow to play. Speed right on but took it forever to start the arm was slow as cold car oil.
Linear tracking is used on disc cutting lathes-but for a playback TT the linear tracking mechanism has to be well designed to move under just the forces of the stylus tracking the record.This is DIFFICULT to do.Pivot arms don't hve these problems and of course-so much less expensive.
Just a linear tracking was getting popular, compact discs started promising the world.
In theory, it is supposed to be the best way to play a record, but it isn't.
The problem is vibration mainly. Think of how a dial on a old radio works, the mechanism isn't that much different. Vibration from the record gets transmitted back through the mechanism and causes unwanted harmonics.
Conventional style arms don't suffer from these vibration issues. But it is a trade off because you can get distortion near the center of the record.
I think I'll stick with conventional tone arms for now..
I think linear tone arms were mostly a marketing thing. It wouldn't have been so bad if they engineered really high quality systems and mass manufactured them so they were affordable, but instead they tended to use plastic everything and thin wire.
If you really want a decently built linear-tracking turntable these days, you need to spend upwards of at least $10k, if not more.
The problem is vibration mainly. Think of how a dial on a old radio works, the mechanism isn't that much different. Vibration from the record gets transmitted back through the mechanism and causes unwanted harmonics.
Conventional style arms don't suffer from these vibration issues. But it is a trade off because you can get distortion near the center of the record.
I think I'll stick with conventional tone arms for now..
I think linear tone arms were mostly a marketing thing. It wouldn't have been so bad if they engineered really high quality systems and mass manufactured them so they were affordable, but instead they tended to use plastic everything and thin wire.
If you really want a decently built linear-tracking turntable these days, you need to spend upwards of at least $10k, if not more.
electron1100
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I Love Vinyl
My latest turntable ( i have a had few)is a trusty old Technics SL-1800, since getting it i have tweaked and outboarded the power supply, put blue LEDs in place of the original neon strobe, re-wired the tone arm, put some damping in the arm tube, extra damping on the sub-chassis (not a solid plinth model), fitted a Audio Technica 0C-5 moving coil cartridge running through a NAD PP2 moving coil pre-amp into my Pioneer SX-850 1970s tuner amplifier (totally re-capped with Elna audio grade caps) running into Acoustic energy 100 speakers
The SL-1800 sounds far more pleasant and musical than my previous SL-1200mk11/Rega RB-300 tone arm set up, this deck also had various modifications which did improve its sound but i didnt like it in the end.
Turntables, i love them there are some beauties mentioned on here, the Dual 701 being one of them, I remember a display stand built by Dual with a 701 mounted upside down playing records, i never understood the reasons why but it was a good gimmick.
Gary
My latest turntable ( i have a had few)is a trusty old Technics SL-1800, since getting it i have tweaked and outboarded the power supply, put blue LEDs in place of the original neon strobe, re-wired the tone arm, put some damping in the arm tube, extra damping on the sub-chassis (not a solid plinth model), fitted a Audio Technica 0C-5 moving coil cartridge running through a NAD PP2 moving coil pre-amp into my Pioneer SX-850 1970s tuner amplifier (totally re-capped with Elna audio grade caps) running into Acoustic energy 100 speakers
The SL-1800 sounds far more pleasant and musical than my previous SL-1200mk11/Rega RB-300 tone arm set up, this deck also had various modifications which did improve its sound but i didnt like it in the end.
Turntables, i love them there are some beauties mentioned on here, the Dual 701 being one of them, I remember a display stand built by Dual with a 701 mounted upside down playing records, i never understood the reasons why but it was a good gimmick.
Gary
