mamapinky
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I'm looking for a safe online source to order STPP since you can't just walk into a store for it lol. I used to order from Dafna General Store, but they closed their doors months ago. Thank You Cheryl
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joeypete
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Wow that's where I got mine from too, didn't realize they closed!! I think a lot of people here get it from chemistrystore.com . I was originally but Dafna had free shipping.
joeypete
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I just looked it up and with shipping to me, the 5lb package is $32. I think Dafna was $20 so it's a little more...but reliable at least.
brucelucenta
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Being the ignorant Okie I am, I don't even know what STPP is. Please tell me. By the way, how is your new washer working for you? Do you still like it as much as you did when you bought it? I do mine.
STPP is phosphates.
mrb627
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STPP in a FL
Do you really need STPP in a front loader?
I always assumed the benefit to STPP was accelerated cleaning in a short TL wash cycle.
Meanwhile in a FL, STPP would create a suds issue when combined with a quality detergent.
Malcolm
Do you really need STPP in a front loader?
I always assumed the benefit to STPP was accelerated cleaning in a short TL wash cycle.
Meanwhile in a FL, STPP would create a suds issue when combined with a quality detergent.
Malcolm
STPP boosts detergent performance and conditions (hard) water in all types of washers, and is also beneficial with non-phosphate detergents in dishwashers.
I've been using it for 8 years and have no related sudsing issues in my HE Calypso and Neptune TL.
"Do you really need STPP in a front loader?"
Have various vintage phosphate laden detergents in my stash and have to say the query about froth depends more upon the surfactants used.
Fresh Start which is mainly nonionic surfactants and phosphates will not froth much if any on its own. Nonionic surfactants are by nature low frothing and phosphates in of themselves do not create form.
OTOH some other detergents like All, Cold Power, FAB (gold box), Tide and so forth will create various levels of froth from mild to Watch-Out levels. This is because they are blends of anonic (high froth) and maybe nonionic (low froth) surfactants along with phosphates.
In either case the presence of foam controllers (silicone, fish oil, etc...) also plays a role in keeping froth down.
Phosphates soften water, thus if you can use a little less detergent since one of the functions of that product is to soften wash water. Ditto for soap. If you use too much phosphates in relation to either soap or detergent then yes, you are going to have froth issues because the ratios are out of whack. You'll also likely experience difficulty in rinsing as well.
Finally people often see froth in various levels when using phosphates for laundering not always because of soap/detergent dosage. Rather because one of the great functions of STPP and SHTP is they liberate soap/detergent residue trapped in textiles and return it back to the wash water to be rinsed away. If you have been overly generous with detergent/soap in the past and failed to remove, adding phosphates to wash water can give the illusion of using too much detergent/product.
Have various vintage phosphate laden detergents in my stash and have to say the query about froth depends more upon the surfactants used.
Fresh Start which is mainly nonionic surfactants and phosphates will not froth much if any on its own. Nonionic surfactants are by nature low frothing and phosphates in of themselves do not create form.
OTOH some other detergents like All, Cold Power, FAB (gold box), Tide and so forth will create various levels of froth from mild to Watch-Out levels. This is because they are blends of anonic (high froth) and maybe nonionic (low froth) surfactants along with phosphates.
In either case the presence of foam controllers (silicone, fish oil, etc...) also plays a role in keeping froth down.
Phosphates soften water, thus if you can use a little less detergent since one of the functions of that product is to soften wash water. Ditto for soap. If you use too much phosphates in relation to either soap or detergent then yes, you are going to have froth issues because the ratios are out of whack. You'll also likely experience difficulty in rinsing as well.
Finally people often see froth in various levels when using phosphates for laundering not always because of soap/detergent dosage. Rather because one of the great functions of STPP and SHTP is they liberate soap/detergent residue trapped in textiles and return it back to the wash water to be rinsed away. If you have been overly generous with detergent/soap in the past and failed to remove, adding phosphates to wash water can give the illusion of using too much detergent/product.
polkanut
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I'm able to purchase STPP over-the-counter at our local chemical supply house, Wausau Chemical. I purchased 50 lbs last November otc and it was something like $72.00 w/ tax I believe. I bought SKU #184.
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beekeyknee
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Launderess wins again. I was just going to say, it's not the phosphates that create the suds, it's detergent added to soft water, combined with agitation that creates the suds. Sometimes I have cleaned things with just soft water and some heat with not adding detergent at all and got good results.
brucelucenta
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Thank you for enlightening me. 
Bought some on eBay for my mother to use in her TL Maytag.
You CAN walk into Chemistrystore.com, I do it every time I run low on STPP. The store/warehouse is about 5 miles from my home. No shipping either! Just sayin'...
