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askomiele

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Ok guys I have the biggest question in my latest life! MY TOWELS ARE LOADED WITH SUDS even after 5-6 rinses. I've tried everything extra rinses with higher waterlevel... there are still suds comming out... Is there any way to get rid of the 'old' suds... I thougt that adding something like a waterconditioner could help (reading a very old manual from I think the westinghouse laundromat...) But dunno what that is today (what brand, product...) I want sudsfree towels and even washing with less detergent (25-30ml) doesn't help...
Hopefully you can help me... I'll be thankfull for the rest of my life (or nearly the rest of my life!)
 
One Word

Phosphates

Get thee some STPP from the Chemistry Store or whatever, then relaunder offending items.

Best method is to use 1/4 cup of STPP (more if using a top loader, about 1/2 cup), hot water and a long wash cycle followed by several warm water rinses. Do not add additional detergent.

Phosphates actually leach out old detergent/soap residue and turn it back into "soap" thus the reason this process was recommended "back in the day" to help remove tattle-tale grey dullness from laundry.

If you cannot find STPP or do not wish to order any, see if you can find some Amway's "Smashing White". Though discontinued, the product was mostly phosphates. In pinc you could use Calgon powder or liquid, but the powder is mostly washing soda and sodium sequesticarbonate, while the liquid is mainly sodium citrate. Either would work, though not as well as phosphates.

Once you have clear rinse water, do a final rinse with 1/4 cup of white vinegar to bring down the pH and make your towels fluffy and soft.

L.
 
When you do this stripping of the detergent residue with water softener in the washer, do it with small loads. Did you wash in a liquid detergent? Those are hard to rinse out. Did this just happen with one load of towels? Are you using a new brand of detergent? If they are so hideously loaded with detergent, the small amounts of water in the washer are going to make this job go on forever. You mention the number of rinses, but are the towels getting a very good spin after each rinse? If not, you are just wasting water because so much is held in the towels if they are not spun. If you cannot solve this in the washer, put very warm water in the bathtub and rinse the towels, squeezing them well to force the water through them, maybe buying a new plumbing plunger to use as a washing dolly. In the future, use a good water conditioning product with a reduced amount of detergent when washing.

Since our wonderful & generous member Eddy told me how to program high water level rinses in my Miele W1986, I decided to try once again to wash my bath sheets in it. I use two tablespoons of powder Tide HE and about that same amount of STPP for a load of 3 or 4 of the 36" X 72" bath sheets. They wash well, do not roll up in a ball, fall out to distribute for spin and rinse extremely well with clear, sudsless water in the third rinse. When I take them out, they have a wonderful smell that I can only describe as like very fresh water at a water fall, maybe from the oxygenation. Heavy things like towels get put into the W1918 for a final spin at 1600 rpm which allows them to dry very quickly.
 
Ok to begin with I bought a box of calgon. STTP is apparently forbidden for domestic use and not to find. Even in the pharmacy... they didn't know where to find it.
So I'll give that a try tomorrow... Are there things that I have to have in mind will doing this?

To Tomturbomatic:
To wash towels I use 1 tablet of proctor and gamble detergent (ariel dash) weight: 40gr (1.41 ounces) per full load (5kg). All my towels are like that, but I'm sick of sticky towels. The machine spins between all rinses after main wash 700 rpm first rinse 900 2nd 1000 3rd 1100 4th 1100. All my wash is rinsed very good by using 2 high level water rinses and spins from 700/1000/1100.

I never use a watersoftener in my washer... dunno if I ever will. I have the feeling when washing with proctor and gamble detergents they don't rinse that well. But now I have persil universal powder and this rinses very good. That's why I wanne get rid of that 'old' soap in my towels. So my towels can be rinsed out very well.
 
If there are too much suds,

and the machine is going to oversud, add 2 cups of softner and the suds drop down.
But I´ve the same problem as you, askomiele.
 
Sudz

What make is your washing machine??
What programme are you using??
Do you have a water softener in your house??

The tablets are concentrated, I would switch to using powder for self dosing, and start with a tablespoon,

I have seen a bendix with the old fashioned half full water level, sudz for england when used with one tablet of any manufacturer`s powder and soft water!!!

if you still have a sudz issue I would select a warm wash with a small amount of white vinegar, and no powder or conditioner, repeat until clear...
 
I thought about fabric softner ;)
Is one tablespoon of detergent enough to get towels clean and fresh-smelling?
Can´t imagine..
 
The amount (~35 ml) is sufficient for a 5kg drum of a front-loading machine?
Do I have to use concentrated powder or normal powder?
 
Try a different detergent.

If you can get your hands on a good unilever powder or 'small and mighty' detergent they're about the easiest rinsing you can get.

Persil UK/Ireland
Skip France
Omo NL

It seems the Unilever detergents in Belgium are quite limited though. Omo seems to be more of a specialist brand.
 
I am using Omo at the moment. It's an Ok detergent, but not very good IMHO. I like the color version the best, especially the tabs. I washed my white towels with Omo powder and they smelled a bit moldy. Never had that problem with my towels, not even if they were in the hamper before washing. Switched to a different detergent for the towels (X.tra liquid detergent from France) and the moldy smell is gone again.
 
There are plenty of different Unilever detergent formulations out there though. I know that Persil (UK & Ireland) and Skip (France) are excellent and rinse very easily.

The Small and Mighty and Petit et Puissant versions of the liquids are also exceptionally non-foaming and easy rinsing.

However, the LiquiGel formulation of Unilever Persil. Their not so concentrated liquid is ridiculously foaming! So much so that it actually caused major problems in our old washer i.e. foamed up so badly that it came out the dispenser drawer! It was an absolutely lousy product from that perspective.

I'm not sure if LiquiGel's just being phased out, or if it's going to continue to exist alongside Small and Mighty for a long time. It's still on the shelves though.
 
Omo

Omo in Germany was once a strong brand but it got lost between the competition of Persil, Ariel and the cheaper brands of Henkel and P&G. So the only possibility to buy Omo is in big boxes of 50/80 or 100 loads.

Unilever detergents here in Germany in general seem to be not to popular. Sunil was tested as worst detergent by a consumer magazine.

Coral was also tested bad but it is more famous then Omo or Sunil. Their fabric softener "Kuschelweich" (snuggle/comfort in english) is ok, I think many people like it.
 
Have you considered breaking the tablet in half? I always have to divide Wisk tablets for the front loaders. You have to remember the manufacturers are selling detergent and often make the tablets for the most extreme soil trying to eliminate cleaning complaints. Most people are not around to watch the rinse so cleaning is a priority, rinsing not a priority and when you add that full dose of fabric softener, it kills suds and coats the fabrics so you do not feel the harshness of the detergent left in the fabrics.
 
Mes deux centimes

I used to leave fabric softener out of the rinse when I washed towels but have changed my wayssince I've been a member of this group. I've read enough of your threads about softeners and "laundry sours" that you've made a believer out of me and I use at least a little bit of softener after lots of rinses. By line-drying my washcloths, I get that cardboard-y roughness that I want from a washcloths, whereas the towels plump up nicely in the dryer. Because towels don't get as greasy-dirty as other laundry, I cut back on the detergent and I add ammonia(to dissolve sebum) instead of bleach at the end of the wash cycle. Towels are also when I most use the "sanitize" option on my LG. I haven't noticed any loss of color from my older towels and they seem to come out spanking clean.
 
TSP or trisodiumphosphate is not a good substitute for STPP or sodiumtripolyphosphate in laundry detergent formulations. The main reason is that TSP, like sodium carbonate or washing soda, forms an insoluble precipitate with hard water minerals (and dirt) which can redeposit on clothes and washer parts.

STPP does not fade colors any more than alkaline powders with washing soda. For that matter, optical brighteners don't fade colors, either, they may make dark colors LOOK faded because the brightener will absorb UV light and re-emit it as visible white light.

STPP is less alkaline than washing soda and therefore is somewhat more gentle on fabrics. It's also vastly superior in softening water and holding dirt in suspension.

Keep the TSP for degreasing hard surfaces and/or etching paint to be repainted. It's good at these things.
 
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