Sunbeams Make it to Germany?
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sudsmaster
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Seems quite appropriate.
Considering that Germany is the world's leading producer of solar panels.
They just need a few more sunbeams.
Considering that Germany is the world's leading producer of solar panels.
They just need a few more sunbeams.
Reparte
Thanks for the reply. I tried to think of something along the lines of sun beams and you acheived what I could not. The model 24 in the picture was sent to me from Australia and arrived shattered. Chris a.k.a Ronhic put me in contact with a collector in Australia who mailed the replacement parts needed and the mixer is now near perfect. The person in Germany has the same model which corresponds to our model 12 but has the Vista escutcheon on it's somewhat squarish face.
Thanks for the reply. I tried to think of something along the lines of sun beams and you acheived what I could not. The model 24 in the picture was sent to me from Australia and arrived shattered. Chris a.k.a Ronhic put me in contact with a collector in Australia who mailed the replacement parts needed and the mixer is now near perfect. The person in Germany has the same model which corresponds to our model 12 but has the Vista escutcheon on it's somewhat squarish face.
sudsmaster
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Tripping breakers? Sounds like something has gone seriously kaput. That is the extent of my German diagnosis. Or, rather, diagnosis in German.
First things: is this appliance actually rated for the 220 volts common to the Continent? If it's a 110 volt model then I could see a problem with running it as twice the rated voltage.
Second: has it been disassembled to see if there is a simple crossed wire or short circuit?
Third: are the motor windings fried?
Fourth: Is the motor bearing seized up?
Fifth: Is there a sausage maker attachment for said Sunbeam?
Good luck!
First things: is this appliance actually rated for the 220 volts common to the Continent? If it's a 110 volt model then I could see a problem with running it as twice the rated voltage.
Second: has it been disassembled to see if there is a simple crossed wire or short circuit?
Third: are the motor windings fried?
Fourth: Is the motor bearing seized up?
Fifth: Is there a sausage maker attachment for said Sunbeam?
Good luck!
ronhic
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Well...I believe that Sunbeams that were sold in the UK and Europe in the 1950's and onwards were made or assembled in Scotland...though I can't remember how I know that from Australian parts as we were the only country outside of the US that manufactured them. The fact that it appears to be a 'refaced' model 12, bears this out.
...so that means it will be a 230v machine - more than suitable for Germany.
...so that means it will be a 230v machine - more than suitable for Germany.
Repair Shop
Rich, you hit all the things a service tech would look at first. I asked if the owner of the mixer could provide details and perhaps we can talk them in. One of the worst things done to a mixer is wrapping the cord tightly around the mixer body. It can cause the paint to become stained and it places undue stress on the cord where it leaves the body of the mixer. On the older mixers the cord leaves the mixer body under the MixFinder dial which also gets pressed against the neck of the stand when the mixer is raised or in the upright position. The material used to coat the cords in many of the older MixMasters model 1- 9 get gummy with age and can wear away to expose wires as they leave the metal mixer body.
I have never heard of a sausage attachment that fits on the grinder being offered in the US but perhaps models sold in England offered it becuase of customer demand. England made and sold dough hooks with their stand mixers in the late 50's and 60s but they weren't offered here or in Australia. When Sunbeam sold their first stand mixer with dough hooks in 1975 they were hard to use and in heavy bread or with lots of use the wires would snap off the collars.
In the picture below the candy cane shaped dough hooks on the right are from England and when I bought this set from ebay I had never seen them before. I first learned of their existance reading a review in Which posted here by members of this group. The cute little twisted wire dough hooks on the left are made in America. There is a misconception that the mixers of the 70's were stronger and using dough hooks in an older machine would burn out the motor. It just ain't so. As long as the mixer turns fast enough to move the fan and cool the switch there is little worry. In fact the older mixers have better switches that were less susceptible to heat damage.
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Rich, you hit all the things a service tech would look at first. I asked if the owner of the mixer could provide details and perhaps we can talk them in. One of the worst things done to a mixer is wrapping the cord tightly around the mixer body. It can cause the paint to become stained and it places undue stress on the cord where it leaves the body of the mixer. On the older mixers the cord leaves the mixer body under the MixFinder dial which also gets pressed against the neck of the stand when the mixer is raised or in the upright position. The material used to coat the cords in many of the older MixMasters model 1- 9 get gummy with age and can wear away to expose wires as they leave the metal mixer body.
I have never heard of a sausage attachment that fits on the grinder being offered in the US but perhaps models sold in England offered it becuase of customer demand. England made and sold dough hooks with their stand mixers in the late 50's and 60s but they weren't offered here or in Australia. When Sunbeam sold their first stand mixer with dough hooks in 1975 they were hard to use and in heavy bread or with lots of use the wires would snap off the collars.
In the picture below the candy cane shaped dough hooks on the right are from England and when I bought this set from ebay I had never seen them before. I first learned of their existance reading a review in Which posted here by members of this group. The cute little twisted wire dough hooks on the left are made in America. There is a misconception that the mixers of the 70's were stronger and using dough hooks in an older machine would burn out the motor. It just ain't so. As long as the mixer turns fast enough to move the fan and cool the switch there is little worry. In fact the older mixers have better switches that were less susceptible to heat damage.
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ronhic
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Kelly....
...If you ever see another set of those candy cane dough hooks, please let me know......
....I'd love the opportunity to try them out with the MXG....or one of the other's that I've put away
Cb
...If you ever see another set of those candy cane dough hooks, please let me know......
....I'd love the opportunity to try them out with the MXG....or one of the other's that I've put away
Cb
Come and Sit on Santa's Knee
Chris I saw a set offered with a mixer on English ebay recently. The mixer was cheap enough I might have asked the seller to ship the dough hooks and relist the mixer. I'll be diligent in watching and I would love to find a set for you. When the set I bought came up I had a feeling I should raise the bid. The dough hooks were NIB and came with directions for use. I hadn't figure the orice diiferential in pounds to dollars so just to be sure I raised the bid to $50.00. Some bugger tried to snipe and drove the price from $14.00 to $33.00. I was still glad I secured the bid. Then the dumb realization struck when authorizing the paypal payment pound and dollars are quite different. With shipping the final cost to me was $57.00 US dollars. Now I have to live a long time and makes lots of bread to get my money's worth. I recently bought a Chrome model 10 from a private seller. She had just gotten it from her grandmother's estate asked the group on WACEM what it was worth. She got caught in a flame war over whose's appraisal was right. She went away. I happened to go on classified search engine and the seller hadn't taked the ad down. and saw a model 10 for sale for $1,600 and jokingly posted the link on WACEM telling them they could buy it for my Christmas present. The group began calling the seller a fraud because it didn't have pictures and accused her of wanting to collect money for goods she didn't have and the buyer would be screwed. They went on to criticize her ad not realizing who it was. Like a mighty roaring fire she came beck to tell them off when in reality she had done just what they suggested price high and find out where the market is. I stuck up for her right to handle the lising however she chose. Then two more monthes went buy and the ad was now on ebay classified. Closer inpection revealed we lived about 3 hours apart. We had a rapport and I bought the mixer for $700.00, half of what the group thought she would give. There has been a hew and cry to preserve it and quit using it as a daily driver. I have multiples of every parts and if needed could even replace the feild. The mixer cleams bright, the deval is clear and then lettering on the MixFinder dial is snow white. I expected to open it up and view a pristine mixer. It shows hours of use as the brushes were almost gone. New brushes, gear grease and oil and we are in business. It is very quiet and its fun to have as an investment even though I would never dream of selling selling it. For the forseable future it will remain a keeper. Years ago I found one at a yard sale for $8.00. I used it as a display in my second store with a stupid high price and sure enough someone came in on my day off and bought it. Urban legend has it only 500 of these units were made but I know for a fact that isn't ture.
Chris I saw a set offered with a mixer on English ebay recently. The mixer was cheap enough I might have asked the seller to ship the dough hooks and relist the mixer. I'll be diligent in watching and I would love to find a set for you. When the set I bought came up I had a feeling I should raise the bid. The dough hooks were NIB and came with directions for use. I hadn't figure the orice diiferential in pounds to dollars so just to be sure I raised the bid to $50.00. Some bugger tried to snipe and drove the price from $14.00 to $33.00. I was still glad I secured the bid. Then the dumb realization struck when authorizing the paypal payment pound and dollars are quite different. With shipping the final cost to me was $57.00 US dollars. Now I have to live a long time and makes lots of bread to get my money's worth. I recently bought a Chrome model 10 from a private seller. She had just gotten it from her grandmother's estate asked the group on WACEM what it was worth. She got caught in a flame war over whose's appraisal was right. She went away. I happened to go on classified search engine and the seller hadn't taked the ad down. and saw a model 10 for sale for $1,600 and jokingly posted the link on WACEM telling them they could buy it for my Christmas present. The group began calling the seller a fraud because it didn't have pictures and accused her of wanting to collect money for goods she didn't have and the buyer would be screwed. They went on to criticize her ad not realizing who it was. Like a mighty roaring fire she came beck to tell them off when in reality she had done just what they suggested price high and find out where the market is. I stuck up for her right to handle the lising however she chose. Then two more monthes went buy and the ad was now on ebay classified. Closer inpection revealed we lived about 3 hours apart. We had a rapport and I bought the mixer for $700.00, half of what the group thought she would give. There has been a hew and cry to preserve it and quit using it as a daily driver. I have multiples of every parts and if needed could even replace the feild. The mixer cleams bright, the deval is clear and then lettering on the MixFinder dial is snow white. I expected to open it up and view a pristine mixer. It shows hours of use as the brushes were almost gone. New brushes, gear grease and oil and we are in business. It is very quiet and its fun to have as an investment even though I would never dream of selling selling it. For the forseable future it will remain a keeper. Years ago I found one at a yard sale for $8.00. I used it as a display in my second store with a stupid high price and sure enough someone came in on my day off and bought it. Urban legend has it only 500 of these units were made but I know for a fact that isn't ture.
ronhic
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Kelly, that would be fantastic!
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We need help from the German contingent locating appliance shops or agencies that can and will service an older Sunbeam from the 5o's. The owner is German, and her mixer has begun tripping the breaker. She came to WACEM to see if someone there could direct her to service and so far we've come up with dry leads. Any Ideas?
We need help from the German contingent locating appliance shops or agencies that can and will service an older Sunbeam from the 5o's. The owner is German, and her mixer has begun tripping the breaker. She came to WACEM to see if someone there could direct her to service and so far we've come up with dry leads. Any Ideas?
Have Mixmasters ever been sold in Germany or is this particular model 24 just a nice souvenir from the UK or Australia ?
Wish I could help with a repair man.
Wish I could help with a repair man.
Sun In Germany
I am not aware of Sunbeams being sold by any major retailer in Germany but that doesn't mean it is so. The original inquiry came from a woman in her thirty's using the mixer and wanting it repaired. Her brother was making a trip to America and she wondered if someone here could repair if it was sent with him. Another member of WACEM told her the difference in voltages would make it impossible. I have a 220 machine that I use with a converter and I think a repairman worth their salt, either wattage could figure out where the short is occuring. That said the mixer is still in Germany. I toyed with having her send it me but first wondered if such a thing exists in Germany as a tinkerer who may take it on.
Thanks,
Kelly
I am not aware of Sunbeams being sold by any major retailer in Germany but that doesn't mean it is so. The original inquiry came from a woman in her thirty's using the mixer and wanting it repaired. Her brother was making a trip to America and she wondered if someone here could repair if it was sent with him. Another member of WACEM told her the difference in voltages would make it impossible. I have a 220 machine that I use with a converter and I think a repairman worth their salt, either wattage could figure out where the short is occuring. That said the mixer is still in Germany. I toyed with having her send it me but first wondered if such a thing exists in Germany as a tinkerer who may take it on.
Thanks,
Kelly
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