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so why did kenmore/whirlpool feature both agitator designs? what are the merits of each? did certain tubs get a certain agitator? was there a logic to what agitator when on what machine? thanks
 
This is my guess...
Fifty some years ago, Whirlpool had a huge contract with Sears to build most of their large appliances. (I think WP STILL makes most of the Sears brand large appliances) WP did not want to take sales away from the Kenmore line,but wanted to add to those sales. WP tried to "mask" the fact that the machines they were marketing were in reality the same machines Sears was selling. So the lids opened from the side on Kenmore,and from the front on WP. The tops and fronts of of the cabinets were changed slightly for either brand to make a difference of appearance. And of course the agitators had to be different also.
In my opinion,the Roto-Swirl is gentle,in comparison to the Surgilator. The Surgilator will handle 7 pair of heavy jeans without a problem,and still turn them over well. The Super-Roto-Swirl cannot turn jeans as well,and has a bad habit of winding the leg of the jeans around the itself instead,which then stops all turnover.
The Roto-Swirl is great for heavy towels and turns them over well without any sud lock problems. The Surgilator can also turn heavy towels over even better,however it will kick up so much suds that the machine suds locks every time. So either design was ok,but the Surgilator made for a much more aggressive washing machine.

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Oh, I agree with Rick, the Surgilator is VERY aggressive. The electric version of pounding clothes on a rock! Like so many of the older designs, it was meant to get really dirty clothes really clean, back when much of America worked a farm or in a factory. Lots of jeans and overalls/unionalls. I had friends whose families thought using the same bath towel for a week was perfectly acceptable----scandalous!
Combine that Surgilator with Whirly's "brisk" agitation speed and you had aggressive cleaning!

Kenmore took great delight in promoting that Roto-Swirl. I remember the first ones I saw at Atlanta's big old Sears (on Ponce de Leon) years ago. Seems like those display machines were almost always a "pank" pair of LK's with multi-colored poker chips in them for pleasing visual display. I remember how the roto-swirls would move the chips in a circle as well as rolling them over. It does the same thing with a "normal" load of clothes. Put a load of stiff and bulky denims in though and it tends to just pump everything up and down with little roll over. None the less, they sold a gazillion of 'em, so something worked!

I don't know if I EVER remember a Whirly/Kenmore back in the day that did not suffer suds-lock. It was just "normal", kind of like water dripping down the door of a "Rustinghouse". Also, the main line detergents of the day were nearly all high sudsing, and most people in those days equated a good layer of suds with good cleaning. (My family "killed" a Unimatic with Tide, I mean it got choked to death! I can't tell you how many times I discovered it with the overload button popped out----but of course could'nt say anything for fear of being blamed for something! Motor finally burned out!.My Mother finally "discovered" (red box "Fluffy") All and along with a new '64 Multimatic, the problems stopped.)

Anyway, both agitators were a lot of fun to see in action.
 
WP Surgilator-My favorite-then the Roto-Swirl and the Norge agitator and the WP-KN BD Dual Action--No DD Dual Actions please.My Grandmother had the KN with the big black fat Roto-Swirl-love watching it.And My stepmom's washer had one.It was that tan colored one.Then the laundramat in one of the apartment buildings I lived in-they Had the WP washers with Surgilators-as some of them wore out-the laundry company put Roto-Swirls in some of the machines-then the best of both!!In watching the Roto-Swirl-one one of the strokes it seems to suck the clothes down--then on the other stroke--pushes them back up.I could see this really well when you put a Roto-Swirl washer on "Gentle" speed.Please KN-Bring back the BD Roto-Swirl!!The Surgilator has the really aggresive actionalmost seems like its making the water and clothes boil!!nad splashy too!Better bring your raincoat if spectating one with a large load of clothes in it-a lighter load its less "splashy"
 
how do yall think a roto-swirl would work in one of the modern machines? would they have to make it smaller due to the shredder strokes?
 
I Agree!

That IS a beautiful picture - you couldn't have made the colors work so well if you tried - I saved it to my desktop and would like you to send it to me also rick so I can print it out and frame it - the gleaming surgilator ,the tongue of water and the perfect rainbow of clothes - I LOVE it!

Matt
 
Thanks guys...Didn't realize my gym clothes and underwear were "artworthy" But never understood Picasso either,so what can I say? These photos were taken last Summer with a 35mm camera.
Your artwork is on it's way. (:
 
You guys, you don't need anyone to send you a picture, all visible pictures on this site are unlocked. Simply go to the picture you want to save and bring you mouse over it. Right Click and select Save Picture As...

As for suds-locks, 1950's Whirlpool and Kenmore washers all suds-lock with towels or very absorbent items no matter what the agitator, they did get a little bit better in the 1960's but still had some suds lock issues. As for suds-locking a Unimatic that is working properly, in my eight years of using them I have never ever been able to do it, not once and boy have I tried with all kinds of detergents vintage and modern. But I have had issues with bad motor protector switches; each time the switch pops it seems to get slightly weaker and will pop faster the next time. Another thing that can cause the Unimatic motor protector switch to pop with moderate suds is if the drain hose is kinked, the pump being clogged or other obstruction to slow the water pump pressure down.
 
Not for nothing, but I think the Roto-Swirls are more agressive. You have the big slope to suck and the big fins to thrash. I think the Surgilator is gentler in that it is smaller and the curvaceous vanes allow the clothes to slip on by easier. Nothing better than a standard capacity WP with a standard size Surgilator...

Except a Speed Queen...

And a Philco...

And a Kelvinator...

And a Frigidaire...

(ducking and running away at full speed...)
 

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