panasonicvac
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SQ just posted this today, I think more are going to come later.
Tear Down Video Series - GE vs. SQ vs. Maytag
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I think they are going to post a series of videos over the course of weeks or months.
I applaud SQ for doing this. I'm hoping that some miracle will happen and people will start buying machines based on how they're are made, not how they look on the outside.
Only thing that catches my eye besides the SQ is the capacitor and its mount on the GE, everything else is
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I applaud SQ for doing this. I'm hoping that some miracle will happen and people will start buying machines based on how they're are made, not how they look on the outside.
Only thing that catches my eye besides the SQ is the capacitor and its mount on the GE, everything else is
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I saw the video.
I saw the video, and I'm curious about how Speed Queen stacks up to GE and Maytag in terms of their drive system and suspension.
I saw the video, and I'm curious about how Speed Queen stacks up to GE and Maytag in terms of their drive system and suspension.
grnappliance
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Being a Speed Queen video, there's likely a bit of bias toward the other 2 machines in there (Which, of course, helps their machine to look good). It would be better if this experiment were coming from a proper, honest-hearted, repair guy in my opinion. Still a cool video though!
panasonicvac
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New episode, this time the pump.
pump teardown
I saw the pump teardown, and it was very telling about the simplicity and quality they have. Next, I'd like to see the drive system, including the motor.
I saw the pump teardown, and it was very telling about the simplicity and quality they have. Next, I'd like to see the drive system, including the motor.
cfz2882
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all 3 of those pumps are craptastic-only decent "magnetic"pump I have experienced is the Italian made"plaset"brand one in my '98 Neptune,The Ascoll pump in my '01 HE3 is ok. That GE is very similar to a VMW 
A real drain pump is driven by a 1/2 HP induction motor.
real drain pump
The Speed Queen top loaders have a real drain pump. I just don't like the early spray rinse and the low speed spin before the rinse and after wash.
The Speed Queen top loaders have a real drain pump. I just don't like the early spray rinse and the low speed spin before the rinse and after wash.
panasonicvac
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Next video, suspensions.
suspension
I would take the Speed Queen any day of the week, especially how sturdy they are.
I would take the Speed Queen any day of the week, especially how sturdy they are.
panasonicvac
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I'm really liking this series so far. If only GE and Maytag can have SQ make washers for them again.
If Maytag were still around, the Maytag in Newton Iowa that is, they’d probably have such a huge market share since their machines could easily be repaired and would easily last 20 to 30+ years. Even if Whirlpool beefed up their VMW machines along it’s the rest of the machines that are out there, they still couldn’t compete with the legendary Maytag helical machines. Only thing that probably would be different is they’d probably would use an inverter motor similar to the one Robert hot rodded back in 2019.
If everyone was like me, the Maytag Helical design would be found in 90% of all washers sold today. I hope that that one day in the future this becomes a reality.
ryner1988
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A good portion of the public can get away with a front loader if used correctly.
I agree with this. It's what I plan to do once my direct drive Whirlpool top loader becomes unrepairable. There's not a top load washer on the market today, sans the Speed Queen TC5, that's worth much in cleaning performance or reliability. A front loader is the way to go if buying new.
I agree with this. It's what I plan to do once my direct drive Whirlpool top loader becomes unrepairable. There's not a top load washer on the market today, sans the Speed Queen TC5, that's worth much in cleaning performance or reliability. A front loader is the way to go if buying new.
panasonicvac
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I wish GE was still making Filter-Flos' and these as well. I think this WBSE3120B1WW model is my all time favorite GE washing machine along with the matching DBXR463EB0WW dryer at my cousin's cabin.
GE filter-flo
It would be nice if GE brought back the filter-flo.
It would be nice if GE brought back the filter-flo.
The closest you are going to get, Jerome, to one in Shoppers Square NIB. As you can want them to bring it back, GE will never do it.
If everyone were like me the filter flo would still be in production somewhere. GE would also have faced multiple class action lawsuits, consumer fraud charges and a tribunal for their tax evasion, atrocious late 90s/2000s products and abusive customer service.
I wish the washer to the left in the video was a GE FF instead of what has become of modern day GE.
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I wish the washer to the left in the video was a GE FF instead of what has become of modern day GE.
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GE washers
The GE washers that came after the filter-flo shook during agitation. I expected it to do that during spin. I remember when I first got mine, it sounded awful when it agitated. It felt cheap. Granted, it did a good job cleaning.
The GE washers that came after the filter-flo shook during agitation. I expected it to do that during spin. I remember when I first got mine, it sounded awful when it agitated. It felt cheap. Granted, it did a good job cleaning.
The entire inner and outer tub shakes during agitation, sometimes causing the tub straps to break.
In spin I personally had the tub resonate to the point of banging against the cabinet. There are documented cases of these washer self destructing because of it. The suspension is to un-dampened and the basket accelerates way to fast.
Cleaning is good on small loads, but on large loads the turn over was very poor. The clothes around the agi would get shredded while the rest would just jiggle as everything else shook around them.
Post FF washers should never have seen the light of day. I also feel they're way to over-rated by the appliance community in general.
In spin I personally had the tub resonate to the point of banging against the cabinet. There are documented cases of these washer self destructing because of it. The suspension is to un-dampened and the basket accelerates way to fast.
Cleaning is good on small loads, but on large loads the turn over was very poor. The clothes around the agi would get shredded while the rest would just jiggle as everything else shook around them.
Post FF washers should never have seen the light of day. I also feel they're way to over-rated by the appliance community in general.
common sense
Common sense says they should've revamped the entire filter-flo laundry line. But no. GE engineers thought we were too stupid to notice. And don't even get me started about the gear oil smell and the leaks.
Common sense says they should've revamped the entire filter-flo laundry line. But no. GE engineers thought we were too stupid to notice. And don't even get me started about the gear oil smell and the leaks.
panasonicvac
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They release these new videos every other Tuesday.
Speed Queen Motor
Opportunity ruined.
What the video doesn't mention is that the Speed Queen motor is isn't just 1 HP, but also a 3 phase high frequency inverter driven where as the two other motors are across the line permanent split capacitor motors. Absolute night and day difference in terms of motor protection, torque, noise, vibration, speed control, tub control, braking, sensing, efficiency, heat generation, longevity, and data feedback. The video is essentially botched failing to mention these very important advantageous facts.
I feel videos like these are unfair to Speed Queen, they don't do justice to Speed Queen's quality failing to mention important technical details and countless ingenious engineering concepts built into Speed Queen.
Then again truth is much to profound. If all three machines were compared from a pertinent engineering, physics, design, mathematical and economic standpoint the Speed Queen would rack up so many points it would make the video look obscenely biased toward Speed Queen.
Hopefully the next videos will highlight how the tub seal, motor shaft and best top loading suspension ever built on the Speed Queen can out last the other two machines by 60 years.
Opportunity ruined.
What the video doesn't mention is that the Speed Queen motor is isn't just 1 HP, but also a 3 phase high frequency inverter driven where as the two other motors are across the line permanent split capacitor motors. Absolute night and day difference in terms of motor protection, torque, noise, vibration, speed control, tub control, braking, sensing, efficiency, heat generation, longevity, and data feedback. The video is essentially botched failing to mention these very important advantageous facts.
I feel videos like these are unfair to Speed Queen, they don't do justice to Speed Queen's quality failing to mention important technical details and countless ingenious engineering concepts built into Speed Queen.
Then again truth is much to profound. If all three machines were compared from a pertinent engineering, physics, design, mathematical and economic standpoint the Speed Queen would rack up so many points it would make the video look obscenely biased toward Speed Queen.
Hopefully the next videos will highlight how the tub seal, motor shaft and best top loading suspension ever built on the Speed Queen can out last the other two machines by 60 years.
energy
What they also fail to mention is how much force it will take to "agitate" the tub even on heavy duty. That takes a lot of energy. So how is that saving energy?
What they also fail to mention is how much force it will take to "agitate" the tub even on heavy duty. That takes a lot of energy. So how is that saving energy?
What a great series!
I am so glad I switched to Speed Queen.
Oh yeah, Matt's a cutie. There I said it.
I am so glad I switched to Speed Queen.
Oh yeah, Matt's a cutie. There I said it.
Needed to be said!
Any guy or gal who likes clothes washers wins a place in in my heart.
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