TEST: Another Detergent Challenge

[stan]

Should I

do similar test, with the same stains, same fabric, using a Maytag wringer, lye soap, and borax?

Wonder how it would compare?
What do you all think?

 

[electron1100]

Maytag

yea do it lets see what happens ;-)

Gary

 

[haxisfan]

Expert feel... well done!

Brilliant... very nice tests! I have personally used both Ariel (which I keep using) and Persil, but in liquid form, and I had greater results with Ariel. Awaiting your verdict ;-)

 

[stan]

O.K

There's one "yes" do I hear two more?
And was that a 100% cotton shirt? Would want it to be the same material, and put the same stains on, and leave for the same amount of time, for the test.

 

[nrones]

Yes

stan,
One more Yes from me! I always love to see tests on here. It was 100% cotton sheet, dried from 16:30 till 10:00 in the morning next day..so that's around 17-18 hours.

I always love to wear white/bright clothes, and eat spagetti. I believe more than 100 times I've got stained those whites/brghts with them. Boilwash always took them completely out. No additives.

Persil in Serbia is Henkel Persil. So I used that one, not Unilever. But now, speaking of which, how come 2 premium competitors having rights for production of one worldwide known brand? Anyone knows what happened between them?

Dex

 

[chestermikeuk]

Testing...

Hi Dejan, thanks for taking the time to complete the "Dirt Challenge", I like your way of thinking - very lab oriented!!, where you expecting different results?

I visited P & G technical centre a few years ago and was amazed how many square samples they get through, when you see them all laid out on the tables it was like a warehouse full!! I always thought the testing would have to be on max capacity but as stated above they vary their loads!! Now all you need is a row of them like these...

I`ve switched from using Ariel here at the mo to Persil, appears to be slightly better than Ariel for stain release and has a much cleaner fresher "Vintage" aroma...

 

[chris74]

@ thomasortega

Well, I'd love to test Skip for blacks because German detergents for coloureds always make them fade... There are special liquids for black clothes though.

The price is flawless, meaning you do not pay more than one Euro...

@ chestermikeuk

Interesting to see that P&G uses good old Míele machines.

 

[MrX]

Someone will have to send you over some Unilever Persil Bio to see how it compares.

 

[chris74]

@ nrones

Story of Persil:

Link directs you to Wikipedia.

By the way: in France, it is called "Le Chat" which translates to "the cat" because "Persil" is some kind of parsley. Also, "le péril" meaning "danger" so they had to look for another name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persil

 

[nrones]

chestermikeuk,
Hello, before testing I thought results would be equal, or with extremely small difference, but after test, I was happy that I was able to judge clearly, with no problems or confussions

mrx,
It's exactly what I thought. Since Henkel Persil sold in Serbia (Made in Serbia in Henkel factory as well) is different than Henkel Persil sold in Germany/Austria, and as I have both I will test Persil VS Persil, so it might be interesting.
Same goes for Ariel. Ariel is P&G but prouced in Romania, or Chezc Republic (depending on stock), and it's different compared to one sold in Germany, UK, Netherlands etc, so I will doo Ariel VS Ariel as well...but it all needs time, so I will doo it some time

chris,
Thanks for the link! It's awesome!

Dex

 

[stan]

Dejan

Was the wine stain red, or white ?

 

[nrones]

@stan

red wine

 

[stan]

Red Wine

It is!

I'll try to find a white cotton shirt, and see if I can duplicate the test.

Since I'd only be testing with old fashion Lye Soap, Borax, and using a old Maytag Wringer, won't need to cut up the shirt.

Should be interesting to test my old, (out dated products, and equipment ) vs your new, with the same stains, and same fabric?
I'm kind of curious now!

 

[electron1100]

Tests

This is a great thread that I have enjoyed and am looking forward to seeing Stans results, so maybe members with twin tubs could have a go (Jondeeprinser) is one that springs to mind.........he is good with a twin tub and tongs

 

[aquacycle]

how come 2 premium competitors having rights for production

Hi Dejan,

I've been wondering the same thing for a long while. I'm not sure about all the ins and outs of it. All I know is that Lever Bros. (now unilever) acquired the rights to the Persil name in the UK, Ireland and France in 1931. Since then, the 2 formulas have been different.

In other countries, Unilever use the UK Persil Formula for Omo.

Funilly enough, Persil was never Lever's best selling brand until more recently, despite being "the original" brand of detergent. Rinso was their best seller and after it was discontinued for declining sales, Surf was launched and also became a best seller, until Persil took over (presumably between the 50's and 60's as twin tubs were becoming increasingly popular).

The brand "Persil" has always been associated as a top product, regardless of the formula. I think the rights to the name may have something to do with the association and reputation of the brand rather than the actual stuff in the box. Not that Persil isn't good by any means, but I think a lot of people buy it purely on it's reputation. If Omo was sold in the UK again, despite being the same formula, I don't think it would sell as well as Persil.

Hope this helps. Maybe someone else will be able to shed some more light on the situation.

Chris

 

[chestermikeuk]

"Persil was never Lever's best selling brand until m

Am assuming Chris you mean the USA by that statement? have never known or heard Rinso being more popular than Persil in the UK....

The twintub would be another good test but also a "12hr soak", all test samples placed in cold water with a set amount of washing powder and see what happens!!

Any other test ideas?

 

[aquacycle]

Indeed, Mike, sorry I should've specified that. In the UK, Persil has always been a market leader as far as I'm aware, despite strong competition from P&G.

 

[electron1100]

Ariel 3D pods overnight soak

Funny mike I just bought some Ariel 3D pods to try out on a soak for Bolognese sauce plus a few other stains on T-Towels.

I put the machine on a pre-wash (40o) then turned it off when it had reached temperature and left them overnight and yes the pods worked well no stains at all, I then washed everything else (whites) at 60o with Tesco Bio powder so no problems with the Ariel other than a strong sweet sickly smell from it but that went once I had washed everything in Tescos Bio powder.

But I have to say that either boil washing the whites with Tescos Bio or overnight soaking the T-towels with Tescos Bio works aswell, so will I buy them again I doubt it I just fancied having a play as a lot of people rate Ariel and this thread is fascinating

 

[chris74]

I bought the Ariel 3D pouches in the Netherlands

But IIRC they're designed as a stain booster, not a fully working detergent like the Tide Pods or am I wrong?

 

[electron1100]

Stain booster

Hello chris

Yes that's what it says on the packet a stain booster for whites, but I do not use Ariel powder etc as it is too sudsy and I do not like the over strong scent, but looking at the ingredients it looked ideal for whites.

Gary

 

[stan]

Lye Soap with Borax Test

And using the Maytag Wringer

Step 1 measure 1/4 cup Borax

 

[stan]

The stains

Here. Pic of the shirt after 24 hours

On the right front panel from the top down is

The motor oil (used the dipstick from the car)
The Olive Oil
The mud
The red wine
The coffee
The coffee and red wine, kind of ran together

The left side, from the top down is

The Spaghetti sauce
The the lipstick on the pocket

 

[stan]

Another

Shot

 

[stan]

Measure my Lye Soap

Slightly more than a 1/4 cup

 

[stan]

Shirt going being pulled in

Last

 

[stan]

Agitation

I added the Borax first, agitated for a min or two, the added the Soap. It's typical for Lye soap to not make a lot of suds.

 

[stan]

Set timer for 10 min

Of agitation

 

[stan]

Shirt going through

Wringer!
I know, this is all high tech LOL

 

[stan]

Wash water dumping

Out.
As you can see there are suds, but are minimal.
You ca tell its soap because of the milky look to the water.

 

[stan]

First rinse

Water dumping