kenmore71
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Here is a scan of the washer from Spring/Summer 1970 Sears "Big Book" catalog. To my knowledge, this is the only catalog this machine ever appeared in.
The 1970 avocado Kenmores have landed (in my basement)!
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kenmore71
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And the dryer from the catalog:
philr
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Nice set! And I think they look great in Avocado!
kenmore71
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And another scan from the same catalog showing the same basic console design with (in my opinion) a much more pedestrian set of controls.
Same Set
We had this same set in avocado my parents purchased them in March of 1970 the same month I was born, we had them until 1978 when they where replaced with almond Maytags A408 & DE408 for their new house green wasn't in the decorating with the laundry area of the kitchen, the Kenmores went to our rental house and used by a few families over the years and replaced in 1998. I remember when the Maytags arrived you couldn't just lift the lid to watch, I found if you took a Lego on the lid switch I got my entertainment!! Enjoy
We had this same set in avocado my parents purchased them in March of 1970 the same month I was born, we had them until 1978 when they where replaced with almond Maytags A408 & DE408 for their new house green wasn't in the decorating with the laundry area of the kitchen, the Kenmores went to our rental house and used by a few families over the years and replaced in 1998. I remember when the Maytags arrived you couldn't just lift the lid to watch, I found if you took a Lego on the lid switch I got my entertainment!! Enjoy
The Pedestrian, basic console model
Mark, that model was the one I wanted when it came time to replace the dead 1964 Norge Dispensomat with the 8 programmed cycle buttons I didn't agree with--after all, I'd learned to do laundry the Lady Kenmore way and those 8 Norge cycles didn't match. After all, this machine had everything I thought was basic necessity--could chose all your own options and had all the requir3ed basic cycles. Thankfully the mom wanted something with a bit more dazzle and lighted console to it, the infamous Kenmore 800 and that is what we ended up with. We paid like $249 for the Kenmore 800. What was the price for that one that was Pedestrian Mark?
Mark, that model was the one I wanted when it came time to replace the dead 1964 Norge Dispensomat with the 8 programmed cycle buttons I didn't agree with--after all, I'd learned to do laundry the Lady Kenmore way and those 8 Norge cycles didn't match. After all, this machine had everything I thought was basic necessity--could chose all your own options and had all the requir3ed basic cycles. Thankfully the mom wanted something with a bit more dazzle and lighted console to it, the infamous Kenmore 800 and that is what we ended up with. We paid like $249 for the Kenmore 800. What was the price for that one that was Pedestrian Mark?
A very handsome pair! Too bad about the suds-saver valve. I do love suds-saver machines. Great console/dial styling. Congratulations!
a much more pedestrian set of controls...
and a three position water level control instead of an infinitely variable control.
and a three position water level control instead of an infinitely variable control.
kenmore71
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Here's the full scan of the 60 model from 1970 Spring/Summer catalog as requested.
It is curious how similar these machines really are from a cycle standpoint. I suspect that they use the same timer and both have the self-cleaning lint filter.
The only differences I can see in features are:
1. The lack of timed bleach & fabric softener dispensers, the 60 having the agitator-mounted dispenser.
2. The manual water temp control which would like preclude the use of a cold rinse on the hot and warm settings unless you changed the dial after the wash filled.
3. The 3-position water level switch instead of the infinite.
It is curious how similar these machines really are from a cycle standpoint. I suspect that they use the same timer and both have the self-cleaning lint filter.
The only differences I can see in features are:
1. The lack of timed bleach & fabric softener dispensers, the 60 having the agitator-mounted dispenser.
2. The manual water temp control which would like preclude the use of a cold rinse on the hot and warm settings unless you changed the dial after the wash filled.
3. The 3-position water level switch instead of the infinite.
Mark -
Let me guess, your washer's model number is 110.7005700 or something nearby up to 110.7005704. If it was 110.7004700 (non-suds) the first few revisions use timer 362357, while the later versions use timer 363089. They both sub to 373844 as the last available WP/FSP timer.
The "pedestrian" 60 series non-suds machine is model 110.7004610. These went all the way up to 110.7004619 in revisions except for some reason they skipped 612 and 614. Early versions use timer 363385 which subs over to 379372, which was a very common timer and is still typically widely available on ebay. This timer was used in several other mid-line machines from 1970 that I have or had.
Thus the 60 and the 70 didn't use the same timer. That is not unusual, as Sears usually spec'd a different timer for machines without solenoid controlled dispensers. The 70-series' timer may have been useable in models with water flushed detergent dispensers as well. Some of the engineer's rationale often doesn't seem to make sense as to why they used what, but it clearly made sense to them at the time. Sometimes the only difference in a timer is the presence of a dry agitate in the normal cycle or not, whether or not the timer can be used as-is in suds models, whether is has fast or slow agitation in Pre-Wash, etc. The difference may also rest in how the knobs attach as well (some had timer hubs and others screwed directly on).
I think the 60-series model from your catalog shot was pretty long-lived. It was even re-invented in 1972 with a bronze color inset on the left console instead of charcoal.
Gordon
Let me guess, your washer's model number is 110.7005700 or something nearby up to 110.7005704. If it was 110.7004700 (non-suds) the first few revisions use timer 362357, while the later versions use timer 363089. They both sub to 373844 as the last available WP/FSP timer.
The "pedestrian" 60 series non-suds machine is model 110.7004610. These went all the way up to 110.7004619 in revisions except for some reason they skipped 612 and 614. Early versions use timer 363385 which subs over to 379372, which was a very common timer and is still typically widely available on ebay. This timer was used in several other mid-line machines from 1970 that I have or had.
Thus the 60 and the 70 didn't use the same timer. That is not unusual, as Sears usually spec'd a different timer for machines without solenoid controlled dispensers. The 70-series' timer may have been useable in models with water flushed detergent dispensers as well. Some of the engineer's rationale often doesn't seem to make sense as to why they used what, but it clearly made sense to them at the time. Sometimes the only difference in a timer is the presence of a dry agitate in the normal cycle or not, whether or not the timer can be used as-is in suds models, whether is has fast or slow agitation in Pre-Wash, etc. The difference may also rest in how the knobs attach as well (some had timer hubs and others screwed directly on).
I think the 60-series model from your catalog shot was pretty long-lived. It was even re-invented in 1972 with a bronze color inset on the left console instead of charcoal.
Gordon
By the way Mark,
FANTASTIC save on the pair, the dryer looks mint just as you said. The washer looks great too.
Oddly, the first time I ever saw one of these machines was an Avocado model just like yours in the repair shop at the Sears parts depot near downtown Denver in early 1981. I really studied the panel as it reminded me of a radio as others have said here. This was when I talked my Dad into helping me repair our 1974 Kenmore which had a premature basket-drive failure --- we were getting a tutorial from a nice service guy who basically told us how to do everything. Fixing that machine led us to cancel the 1980-model Kenmore 70 that my Mom had bought a day or two before --- the same model that you had I believe.
This was also the weekend adventure that led me to develop my washer rebuilding hobby that I've so enjoyed for many years since.
Gordon
FANTASTIC save on the pair, the dryer looks mint just as you said. The washer looks great too.
Oddly, the first time I ever saw one of these machines was an Avocado model just like yours in the repair shop at the Sears parts depot near downtown Denver in early 1981. I really studied the panel as it reminded me of a radio as others have said here. This was when I talked my Dad into helping me repair our 1974 Kenmore which had a premature basket-drive failure --- we were getting a tutorial from a nice service guy who basically told us how to do everything. Fixing that machine led us to cancel the 1980-model Kenmore 70 that my Mom had bought a day or two before --- the same model that you had I believe.
This was also the weekend adventure that led me to develop my washer rebuilding hobby that I've so enjoyed for many years since.
Gordon
kenmore71
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Gordon, the parts lists that came with the machine lists it as 700(4/5)701.
The timer in that book is listed as #363089 and makes no distinction between suds and non-suds.
Good to know what that timer subbed to in later years. I'll be doing periodic searches to find a replacement timer to have "on hand" so that this machine doesn't suffer the same fate as my 1967 800. I'm guessing that this timer MAY be a bit more common than that one!
The timer in that book is listed as #363089 and makes no distinction between suds and non-suds.
Good to know what that timer subbed to in later years. I'll be doing periodic searches to find a replacement timer to have "on hand" so that this machine doesn't suffer the same fate as my 1967 800. I'm guessing that this timer MAY be a bit more common than that one!
Aferim!
Those are freakin' gorgeous! I love that control panel design even though I prefer the ones with lots of buttons, bells and whistles. Elegant and classic lines. I guess the pink in this illustration is not accurate if, indeed, these models were only a 1970 offering. Just gotta love those Lucite backlit control dials:
Those are freakin' gorgeous! I love that control panel design even though I prefer the ones with lots of buttons, bells and whistles. Elegant and classic lines. I guess the pink in this illustration is not accurate if, indeed, these models were only a 1970 offering. Just gotta love those Lucite backlit control dials:
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Great save on the pair, and congratulations on acquiring your childhood washer equivalent. I hope that any maintenance needed is minor.
Appnut: Yes this was the set that was in the vestibule off of Karen Fairgate McKenzie's kitchen on Knot's Landing. I think hers may have been the same color too.
Have a good one,
James
Appnut: Yes this was the set that was in the vestibule off of Karen Fairgate McKenzie's kitchen on Knot's Landing. I think hers may have been the same color too.
Have a good one,
James
bendixmark
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water level
Hey Mark,I noticed in the pic of the machine running the water level looks very low.I used to get that machine all the time years ago and the water level on that model and all the 1970 models for that year was always very low.This would cause the motor to work very hard and consequently every time I got one of these the motor would be louder than loud,very loud hum when running,you mentioned your machine was loud I will bet this has something to do with it.I would raise the water level giving the adjustment screw 2 turns and go from there.Those machines didnt have alot of centerpost bearing trouble as that machine has the improved agitator cap seal though it is possible the bearings can be bad.You can take that rust off the basket with a brillo pad.Those are two of my favorite kenmores,great save.
Hey Mark,I noticed in the pic of the machine running the water level looks very low.I used to get that machine all the time years ago and the water level on that model and all the 1970 models for that year was always very low.This would cause the motor to work very hard and consequently every time I got one of these the motor would be louder than loud,very loud hum when running,you mentioned your machine was loud I will bet this has something to do with it.I would raise the water level giving the adjustment screw 2 turns and go from there.Those machines didnt have alot of centerpost bearing trouble as that machine has the improved agitator cap seal though it is possible the bearings can be bad.You can take that rust off the basket with a brillo pad.Those are two of my favorite kenmores,great save.
kenmore71
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Yeah, I thought that water level seemed on the low side. I know that I had also raised the water level on my 67 800. The owner's manual says that a full fill for this machine is 16.2 gallons.
kenmore71
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Cycle details
Here are the "Alphabet Cycle" descriptions:
Here are the "Alphabet Cycle" descriptions:
kenmore71
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and the details of the operation:
kenmore71
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Everything about the dryer seems to be good. It does seem to have a slight intermittent squeak in the tumbling. I suspect that cleaning and oiling the rollers and replacing the belt will likely do the trick. After 43 years it's likely time!
I did dry several loads in it. I didn't time the drying but it certainly seems to be fast. I haven't actually laid on the floor to watch the burner modulate, but I do have a thermometer in the exhaust duct and I did notice that when the exhaust temp reaches about 150 that the flame is at less than half and that the temp stayed at pretty much exactly 150 until the burner shut off.
I did dry several loads in it. I didn't time the drying but it certainly seems to be fast. I haven't actually laid on the floor to watch the burner modulate, but I do have a thermometer in the exhaust duct and I did notice that when the exhaust temp reaches about 150 that the flame is at less than half and that the temp stayed at pretty much exactly 150 until the burner shut off.
I can't wait.....
I have my coppertone duo in my basement now for 15 months and I have not connected the dryer up yet. That soon will change as this thread has got me excited. I bought this Kenmore 800 washer w/ Suds and 900 dryer from Captain Moody. The dryer appears to have been seldom used. I'll look for that capillary tube........
I have my coppertone duo in my basement now for 15 months and I have not connected the dryer up yet. That soon will change as this thread has got me excited. I bought this Kenmore 800 washer w/ Suds and 900 dryer from Captain Moody. The dryer appears to have been seldom used. I'll look for that capillary tube........
Well, here is a sort of a rough draft that I made, of mine, doing a (rather, very) pale imitation:
-- Dave
-- Dave
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