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what bell system goodies did you get? I am not a big collector,but have built a collection of bell system era telephones,oldest 1939/newest 1984-mostly western electric,but a few by GTE,stromberg carlson,and other U.S. makes.Other telephone related western electric equipment too-including a 1942 vintage 24v power unit with copper oxide rectifiers(look like selenium,but a lot more plates for a given voltage than selenium)I kinda miss seeing the bell system emblem on buildings and manhole covers...(probably a few still visable somewhere)
 
I'm familiar with the porticus site.  I'm also a member of the Classic Rotary Phones forum (link below).

 

So yeah, what goodies did you get?  I've just recently been digging through my parts stash to find what's needed to get a friend's 1962 Princess phone to light up, and to add an external ringer for it.

 
Both my mother and I worked for the phone company, her from before the first dial phones. They were always very anal about safety. If you used a company vehicle, it HAD to be backed in to be driven out. And in my time, if caught without your seat belt on was a HUGE no no. I do have several old rotary phones left to me. And since I was an employee, I knew how to wire my house and have jacks in every room. Ma always complained that even with her employee discount that phone service was too much.
 
I have a small collection of vintage telephones, mostly Automatic Electric, but a couple are Western Electric with separate bell boxes. I've always wanted to complete a period correct install so that everything, right down to the wiring, would be accurate for the 1940's. Is there someplace I can look up the information I'd need to do that? So far, everyone I've mentioned this to thinks it's an interesting idea, but they have no clue how to do it.
 
Wiring on your side of the SNI (Standard Network Interface) aka "protector box" is yours to do with what you wish.  You just can't substitute a vintage porcelain connection block in place of the SNI, but anything else goes.

 

In my 1927 house there is still some vintage station wiring that consists of two solid pairs, fabric wrapped and braided.  You might be able to duplicate that with similar reproduction wire.  If you have a bell box (correct terminology is "subset") then you are good to go.  A (Western Electric) type 634 is your best bet.  I can't speak to AE or SC equipment.  You can eliminate the need for a modern (or even vintage) baseboard jack by hard-wiring directly into the subset.  Just hook up your phone's line cord, presuming it's original, to the subset and you're in business.

 

Do you have a phone niche with recess below it for the subset?  That's the ideal residential arrangement.

 

There are diagrams for wiring a Western Electric D-1/oval base desk stand to a subset on the Classic Rotary Phone Forum that I linked to above.  It can be tricky depending on the type of subset and how it and your desk stand are wired inside their respective cases.  I had a situation of bad sidetone (feedback into the receiver) and squawky reception on my D-1.  It turned out to be the subset (a 685) that wasn't compatible, and apparently didn't have the anti-sidetone upgrade.  I changed out the subset with a 634, which is identical on the outside, and the sidetone and reception issues cleared up.  The wiring diagrams on the CRPF site were a cinch to follow.

 

If you have a D-1 desk stand (the marking is at the top of the neck on the back) with the original E-1 handset and "bullet" type 395B transmitter, I strongly suggest you replace the "bullet" type -- it's extremely likely that it's bad, because they were notoriously bad from the beginning -- with the retrofit kit for the later and far superior F-1 transmitter capsule.  Your phone will be useless otherwise.  The look of the handset will be the same, except there will be the familiar perforated cover over the transmitter as opposed to the protruding "bullet" and all of it will be held in place by the original "spitcup" cap.  Of course if you have the later F-1 handset, you needn't do anything.  I read somewhere that with production of the F-1 transmitter, service techs were instructed to remove any 395B transmitter they came across and replace it with an F-1.  Even Ma Bell knew that the 395B's were so bad that they pro-actively pulled them out of service instead of following their standard practice of recycling everything until it broke.

 

I'm sure there are members of the CRPF site who have old station wiring they might be willing to part with.  You might also try the oldphoneworks.com site for wiring.  Here's the link:

 
Chimes

Tom, funny you should mention chimes.  I have one in our den, but it currently isn't connected.  I had so many vintage phones ringing that there wasn't enough voltage to operate the chime.  Now that I have a W.E. model 5302 in that room and the ringer on it is so clunky, I'm going to take action to activate the chime again.  It has followed me from house to house for almost 30 years.

 

For the external ringer associated with the Princess phone mentioned further up, I'm giving a chime to my friend rather than try to hunt down an E1C ringer, which is the type commonly used with Princess models.
 
Tom, do you have a picture of this chime? I'd love to see it.

Years back I was pretty serious about phone collecting, back when you could still find them at garage sales and thrift stores. The eventual plan is to get them sorted, displayed, and connected to my 555PBX. Maybe run a few lines to the other buildings on the property, and get my phone booth set up!

This year Santa brought a well-worn 302 (has a 1970's or 80's Target pharmacy number sticker on it so it saw some use!). A Bell System side-cutter, a miniature hardhat bottle opener, and a lineman's test set with a pin dial! Very cool! -Cory
 
Ralph

Thanks for the information about phone wiring and such. Do you happen to have any photos of a period correct baseboard jack? And can you tell me whether or not the subset is supposed to be mounted somehow, either to the wall or the floor? Mine is just laying on the floor. These may seem like stupid questions, but there really isn't anyplace to go to look this sort of thing up.
 
Bell Chime

I have a couple of these hooked up myself and have loved the sound of them for years. Unfortunately the cell phone rings much more than the wireline these days so don't hear them as much as I'd like to.

Here is a picture that came from phone company literature back in the day.

Patrick

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I'll have to take pictures of a vintage jack.  I think I have one around here with a metal cover.  They look the same as pre-modular types with plastic covers.

 

I think subsets were intended to be wall mounted.  Except for the 1936 house I lived in that had the niche and screened recess below it for the subset, my boxes have all just sat on the floor, usually under a bed or other piece of furniture with enough clearance.

 

There are no stupid questions.  If you join the CRPF you can ask away.  You'll either get good answers or links to threads that provide them, but in the meantime I'll do my best to answer those that I can.

 

I'll try to get some pictures posted here soon.
 
Cory...

I also have a 555 PBX that is in working condition. I don't keep it powered up unless I'm doing something with it but was just playing with it the other night ringing all the different phones in my collection. You've got me thinking how it would be fun to have extensions in different rooms wired to run through it just for fun.

Here's a pic of the switchboard.

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I remember it being said that when the Bell Laboratories were operating, they were the greatest scientific research institution in the world. I still remember the wonderful Bell Science movies we used to watch in elementary school: Hemo the Magnificent, Our Mr. Sun and others with Dr. Frank Baxter, written & directed by Frank Capra.

The second phone on the 4th shelf down looks like my Panasonic from the 80s. It still works although the speakerphone part has died, probably from terminal dust.[this post was last edited: 12/28/2012-10:12]
 
Rather than a chime, I had a simple extension bell in my old home in Pittsburgh... when getting an additional phone that you rented per month was more than you wanted to spend and which at various times were in short supply due to demand (especially during the war and after when there was such tremendous growth). It was in a very old, large Victorian house, and I am guessing that it was at least from the early 50s or earlier. At the time that I lived in that house (early 80s), basic dial phones were $.95 per month, I think they gave up billing the extension bells, there was no charge. When I upgraded to touch tone (service was about $1 per month, but the phones were more expensive to rent than the dial phones; a basic touch tone phone was $2.50 per month... Princesses were something like $3.50 and Trimlines were about $4). At the time the telephone service ranged from about $5 per month (measured or message service) to about $20 per month (flat rate unlimited within Pittsburgh and suburbs). And for that, you got service from one company responsible for total service from the telephone lines into your home and to the phone... and the phones last forever!

I worked in the Bell of Pennsylvania business office, we were measured on answering ALL calls within a (very few) number of seconds or rings... live people, local, answering calls, without voice response menus and 'your call is very important to us but due to unusually high call volumes, your wait time is...'! I once had a customer on hold for almost a full ONE minute, because I was working up her complex move order to disconnect service at one address and connect at her new address... my manager came flying out of the office asking why I had a customer on hold so long! Boy those days of customer service are long gone...
 
Way back in the early 80's I got the job as dispatch supervisor and the sound of 3 multi line desk phones ringing constantly was annoying to say the least so I had one of those chime units installed. What a difference it made in the stress level. It was wired up so only one unit was required, not one for each phone.

Patrick.. on your shelves.. two phones over from the dial on switchboard.. Is that one of desk sets with the flat membrane type number pad and a display across the top.. I had one of those way back..loved it.. but it eventually crapped out.
 
Pete and Tom

I think you are both talking about the same phone. It is the AT&T (post divestiture version) of the touch-a-matic. It is a light gray in color and still works perfect. It is desk or wall mountable and has a very pleasant electronic ringer. The display was for time/date, timer, and the numbers you dialed. Caller ID hadn't been invented yet. The colored and white membrane buttons above the dial area were for programming as speed dial buttons.

Here is a pic:

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