I never bother to look at whether someone is paying member before I give advice. If a problem lies within my area of expertise and I have the time I will post my thoughts. Mark.
The Care and Feeding of Vintage Maytag Washers & Dryers
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I am very glad you saved and are using this beautiful copperotne set. I believe gradually you will be able to make the necessary repairs with the assistance of those knowledgeable around here.
CDE Maytag HOH Dryer
The squeal is most likely a dry blower bearing, this would also account for an unusually hot cabinet front.
MT HOH dryers had a steel motor pulley by this time so that is not the problem.
The only heating on one cycle is either a bad timer or the timer knob is broken or the dial is miss assembled, MT had cheap plastic timer knobs that were prone to breaking, they could also be installed 180 degrees out of aliment.
The squeal is most likely a dry blower bearing, this would also account for an unusually hot cabinet front.
MT HOH dryers had a steel motor pulley by this time so that is not the problem.
The only heating on one cycle is either a bad timer or the timer knob is broken or the dial is miss assembled, MT had cheap plastic timer knobs that were prone to breaking, they could also be installed 180 degrees out of aliment.
not a paying member?
where in the hell did that come from?
where in the hell did that come from?
whirlcool
Well-known member
There may be a few people who think that way. to tell you the truth, this is the first time I saw anything like that on this site.
If you have a question, I am sure most people will answer it and offer you advice regardless if you are a paying member or not. If you are honest and cooperative they'll usually stick with you until your problem is resolved.
As there are people here with a lot of expertise, there are also a lot of caring people too.
If you have a question, I am sure most people will answer it and offer you advice regardless if you are a paying member or not. If you are honest and cooperative they'll usually stick with you until your problem is resolved.
As there are people here with a lot of expertise, there are also a lot of caring people too.
To add to Whirlcool's comments...
This is a public website and forum, not some private "club". Open to anyone and everyone who has an interest in, or questions about major appliances.
I also try to offer suggestions or help when I can and it doesn't matter if they're a "paying member" of not.
So I hope the info posted here has been helpful to you ModernCleveland.
Kevin
This is a public website and forum, not some private "club". Open to anyone and everyone who has an interest in, or questions about major appliances.
I also try to offer suggestions or help when I can and it doesn't matter if they're a "paying member" of not.
So I hope the info posted here has been helpful to you ModernCleveland.
Kevin
Ask away, payment or not.
beekeyknee
Well-known member
Ok people....
Some of you are making mountains out of molehills. I simply stated that one will most likely get less attention when they are not paying members. Maybe I should have said, One may get more attention if one is a "contributing" member. Then some of you might not have had your sense-abilities jarred. I didn't say they wouldn't get any attention if they weren't a paying member. It was a simple suggestion.
Also, if you'll notice, I gave "moderncleveland" quite a bit of advice. I give advice to non-contributing members quite often. I have watched in the past and contributing members seem to get more advice than non-contributing ones. When one contributes, one has more site functions available to them and will usually find the site more useful and informative. Contribution has it's perks. And I'm sure you all realize the bandwidth to operate this site probably isn't cheap.
Lastly, I never mentioned anything about "policies". The webmaster makes the policies, not I. I'm sure if he has a problem with what I post on the site he will let me know. I feel for him; having to use a lot of his free time to watch over every thing we say. I have said some things on here in the past that were uncalled for and I have apologized profusely. "moderncleveland", if I have offended you in any way, I apologize.
Is everyone happy now?
Some of you are making mountains out of molehills. I simply stated that one will most likely get less attention when they are not paying members. Maybe I should have said, One may get more attention if one is a "contributing" member. Then some of you might not have had your sense-abilities jarred. I didn't say they wouldn't get any attention if they weren't a paying member. It was a simple suggestion.
Also, if you'll notice, I gave "moderncleveland" quite a bit of advice. I give advice to non-contributing members quite often. I have watched in the past and contributing members seem to get more advice than non-contributing ones. When one contributes, one has more site functions available to them and will usually find the site more useful and informative. Contribution has it's perks. And I'm sure you all realize the bandwidth to operate this site probably isn't cheap.
Lastly, I never mentioned anything about "policies". The webmaster makes the policies, not I. I'm sure if he has a problem with what I post on the site he will let me know. I feel for him; having to use a lot of his free time to watch over every thing we say. I have said some things on here in the past that were uncalled for and I have apologized profusely. "moderncleveland", if I have offended you in any way, I apologize.
Is everyone happy now?
Give and Take
I am glad you're enjoying the Maytag set. I have used them my whole life and currently have a 40 year old 806. It looks like the medium button is loose from the key and I think if the metal part of the plunger was engaged you'd get a medium fill. The fix to that would be for aethestics. I tend to adhere to use it and love and leave it alone unless there are issues. I deal in small appliance repair and countless units are detroyed when a well intended owner decides to take it apart and "clean" it. I figure everything in my house is on loan to use until something better or more amazing comes along to take it's place. You may find a lighted set or better yet a TOL Pushutton 906 with rapid advance timer. If your washer truly was used for hot washer washing you can be glad there's no scrud hiding on the outer tub.
I often give advice, send parts, diagrams etc which I am glad to do but in many of those cases never hear again and almost never is it mentioned in a thread. At first I was a little hurt and pride had me waiting to see a picture of the newly operating appliances and testiment to my knowledge giving credence to that which I speak. It is simply pride and if I am not willing to help anyone I can, without needing a public plug than I can always refrain from such magnanimus actions. I remember Brian the length, pictures and detailed information you gave regarding Maytag rebuild and not a peep of thanks or even an update on the progress of the machine. Don't let disappointment set you apart from the rest.
As far as who gets help and response and who doesn't, the "drive by" poster or one who demands without much input is likely to be allowed to stew in their own juices until they come to the table and play nice. In the case of Modern Cleaveland, the excitement, input, sharing, posting, pictures on many threads in the past makes you feel like one of the kids is home for the holidays when you see their posts. Nice people, fun people and fair people get responses.
The coppertone paint of these machines is spectacular.[this post was last edited: 9/12/2012-01:43]
I am glad you're enjoying the Maytag set. I have used them my whole life and currently have a 40 year old 806. It looks like the medium button is loose from the key and I think if the metal part of the plunger was engaged you'd get a medium fill. The fix to that would be for aethestics. I tend to adhere to use it and love and leave it alone unless there are issues. I deal in small appliance repair and countless units are detroyed when a well intended owner decides to take it apart and "clean" it. I figure everything in my house is on loan to use until something better or more amazing comes along to take it's place. You may find a lighted set or better yet a TOL Pushutton 906 with rapid advance timer. If your washer truly was used for hot washer washing you can be glad there's no scrud hiding on the outer tub.
I often give advice, send parts, diagrams etc which I am glad to do but in many of those cases never hear again and almost never is it mentioned in a thread. At first I was a little hurt and pride had me waiting to see a picture of the newly operating appliances and testiment to my knowledge giving credence to that which I speak. It is simply pride and if I am not willing to help anyone I can, without needing a public plug than I can always refrain from such magnanimus actions. I remember Brian the length, pictures and detailed information you gave regarding Maytag rebuild and not a peep of thanks or even an update on the progress of the machine. Don't let disappointment set you apart from the rest.
As far as who gets help and response and who doesn't, the "drive by" poster or one who demands without much input is likely to be allowed to stew in their own juices until they come to the table and play nice. In the case of Modern Cleaveland, the excitement, input, sharing, posting, pictures on many threads in the past makes you feel like one of the kids is home for the holidays when you see their posts. Nice people, fun people and fair people get responses.
The coppertone paint of these machines is spectacular.[this post was last edited: 9/12/2012-01:43]
beekeyknee
Well-known member
Kelly,
You have always been a peacekeeper on the site, as long as I have been watching, while some have not. Many times they try to read between the lines unsuccessfully. I have a direct and to the point approach. I always have. If I'm really angry people will know it, but I will not stand idly by while people make accusations and twist my words. I took it when I was young, but I won't take it now. Thanks, Kelly.
You have always been a peacekeeper on the site, as long as I have been watching, while some have not. Many times they try to read between the lines unsuccessfully. I have a direct and to the point approach. I always have. If I'm really angry people will know it, but I will not stand idly by while people make accusations and twist my words. I took it when I was young, but I won't take it now. Thanks, Kelly.
Thread # 574194
was Brian's amazing post about a restoration he did on a Maytag washer. I would recommend seeing it to anyone wanting detailed info!
It should be posted in "Restoratins" with the others, it was a fantastic job!
And by the way Kelly, I told him how much I appreciated his sharing it with us, at that time!
was Brian's amazing post about a restoration he did on a Maytag washer. I would recommend seeing it to anyone wanting detailed info!
It should be posted in "Restoratins" with the others, it was a fantastic job!
And by the way Kelly, I told him how much I appreciated his sharing it with us, at that time!
moderncleveland
Well-known member
Wow!
First of all, thank you everybody for all the input and information and advice!
I sincerely appreciate it!
I hope I haven't gotten in over my head with this coppertone duo. They are wonderful to look at and I do love them dearly, but as a few of you pointed out they are not exactly in mint condition and I'm thinking that this is what I should consider to be my starter set.
The thought of a future with lighted buttons, lots of switches, avocado green and turquoise too ... I can see how this can be addictive!
Marie (aka ModernCleveland)
First of all, thank you everybody for all the input and information and advice!
I sincerely appreciate it!
I hope I haven't gotten in over my head with this coppertone duo. They are wonderful to look at and I do love them dearly, but as a few of you pointed out they are not exactly in mint condition and I'm thinking that this is what I should consider to be my starter set.
The thought of a future with lighted buttons, lots of switches, avocado green and turquoise too ... I can see how this can be addictive!
Marie (aka ModernCleveland)
moderncleveland
Well-known member
DADoES, never heard of retrobrite before. How interesting. This could be useful for all kinds of vintage appliances!
Malcolm, good eBay find. This is probably worth a swap for me. I think I need to focus on the dryer first and see if that's a dry bearing. Once that is taken care of, then maybe I will try to replace this panel.
Kevin, the last two of both serial numbers is WW.
Gansky1, it looks like this weekend there will be a scheduled field trip to Modern Parts House! I'm very interested in this Cleveland appliance servicer. Is he a member of this board? And how did you know I have my detergent in a Pyrex cup!?
Mark, you really know your stuff! I think you're onto something about the timer, because I have been wondering about the timer. It went off on its own just fine last night, but I just went to check on it on another load I did just now, and it was done but the timer hardly moved (which is usually the case, it seems) so I had to shut it off myself. John may be on to something when he suggested that the timer was misassembled, because when we brought these home the first thing we did was take everything apart, all dials and panels and everything, and clean it all up. I wouldn't doubt that something was misassembled in the process of putting it all back together.
The smell is very slight and, like the noise, is only in the very beginning. It's reassuring that the warm front is normal. I was afraid at first because I assumed it was overheating. I'm sure I'll appreciate the heat in the winter!
John, you seem to be on to something when you suggested that the timer was misassembled, because when we brought these home the first thing we did was take everything apart, all dials and panels and everything, and clean it all up. I wouldn't doubt that something was misassembled in the process of putting it all back together.
beekeyknee, I have a question about the Maytags in your profile picture. They look a lot like our models except more buttons and of course the tops of the panels are illuminated -- beautiful! What year/model are they?
appnut, thanks for the reassurance. And thanks to your post, now I know that the color is called coppertone.
Stuart, for years it was a dream just to have a real vintage set in matching colors. Now that that's a reality, I guess it's a dream to find a lighted set or a nice Lady Kenmore or the TOL Pushutton 906. (Wouldn't it be great if there was a vintage appliance museum?) But is scrud on the outer tub a result of cold water washing? Because when we got this one, there was plenty of what I think might be scrud (from the sound of the word) on there that had to be all cleaned off.
I'm going to do some research next on dry blower bearings... but now, it's bedtime!
Malcolm, good eBay find. This is probably worth a swap for me. I think I need to focus on the dryer first and see if that's a dry bearing. Once that is taken care of, then maybe I will try to replace this panel.
Kevin, the last two of both serial numbers is WW.
Gansky1, it looks like this weekend there will be a scheduled field trip to Modern Parts House! I'm very interested in this Cleveland appliance servicer. Is he a member of this board? And how did you know I have my detergent in a Pyrex cup!?
Mark, you really know your stuff! I think you're onto something about the timer, because I have been wondering about the timer. It went off on its own just fine last night, but I just went to check on it on another load I did just now, and it was done but the timer hardly moved (which is usually the case, it seems) so I had to shut it off myself. John may be on to something when he suggested that the timer was misassembled, because when we brought these home the first thing we did was take everything apart, all dials and panels and everything, and clean it all up. I wouldn't doubt that something was misassembled in the process of putting it all back together.
The smell is very slight and, like the noise, is only in the very beginning. It's reassuring that the warm front is normal. I was afraid at first because I assumed it was overheating. I'm sure I'll appreciate the heat in the winter!
John, you seem to be on to something when you suggested that the timer was misassembled, because when we brought these home the first thing we did was take everything apart, all dials and panels and everything, and clean it all up. I wouldn't doubt that something was misassembled in the process of putting it all back together.
beekeyknee, I have a question about the Maytags in your profile picture. They look a lot like our models except more buttons and of course the tops of the panels are illuminated -- beautiful! What year/model are they?
appnut, thanks for the reassurance. And thanks to your post, now I know that the color is called coppertone.
Stuart, for years it was a dream just to have a real vintage set in matching colors. Now that that's a reality, I guess it's a dream to find a lighted set or a nice Lady Kenmore or the TOL Pushutton 906. (Wouldn't it be great if there was a vintage appliance museum?) But is scrud on the outer tub a result of cold water washing? Because when we got this one, there was plenty of what I think might be scrud (from the sound of the word) on there that had to be all cleaned off.
I'm going to do some research next on dry blower bearings... but now, it's bedtime!
moderncleveland
Well-known member
Kelly, sorry I mistakenly referred to you as "Stuart" above. I think it's past my bedtime!
Parts
There have been some excellent suggestions about locating parts. I have had good luck with Appliance Parts Center in National City, CA. It would be hard to recreate the 2 tone paint at home, unless you are good with a spray gun. Besides, you would have to sandblast the porcelain to get paint to stick. I have done that, but it was a pain. You might try some Bon Ami powder on the tops, but don't go crazy with the abrasives. It could scratch up the porcelain like an old bath tub that has been scrubbed with scouring powder for years. Might also try a mild acid- CocaCola might work. It cleans battery terminals and copper wires like new.
There have been some excellent suggestions about locating parts. I have had good luck with Appliance Parts Center in National City, CA. It would be hard to recreate the 2 tone paint at home, unless you are good with a spray gun. Besides, you would have to sandblast the porcelain to get paint to stick. I have done that, but it was a pain. You might try some Bon Ami powder on the tops, but don't go crazy with the abrasives. It could scratch up the porcelain like an old bath tub that has been scrubbed with scouring powder for years. Might also try a mild acid- CocaCola might work. It cleans battery terminals and copper wires like new.
beekeyknee
Well-known member
Hi, moderncleveland
The washer is an AA806 according to the label on the machine and it was made in Dec. 1979, probably one of the last if not the very last avocado 806 to come off the assembly line. Who knows, maybe the color was special ordered after the avocado trend died away. My parents ordered an almond colored stove after they had fallen out of style so the appliances in their kitchen would match.
It was suggested on here by one member that the AA was a mistake because Maytag automatics in avocado were usually labeled VA. Then another member suggested that maybe it was labeled AA because shading on front panels was dropped by the late '80's. It's also one of the last center dials off the line because in 1980 the dial was moved to the left-hand side. It's a mystery. I know the lack of shading made re-painting the cabinet a breeze.
As for the dryer, it's a DE808 SOH from April 1980. They're both among the last of their kind.
I have an A806 washer, series 0, from Oct. 1972 that I bought last Nov. that I was planning on rebuilding this summer, but an interfering water heater got in the way. I don't know if I'll have time to rebuild it this fall or not. The last thing I want to get is the matching DE806 HOH dryer to go with it.
The reason I told you to quit using your dryer is that if the bearing is going out and it seizes, it can't be fixed. The bearing are NLA, but if you work on it before it seizes, it can be saved.
As far as the rubbing compound goes, it can be used if you get the right grade and use good judgment, or so I have read on here before from more than one member. I'm sure they aren't all wrong.
If you want to try and work on your dryer and are somewhat mechanically and electrically inclined, Thread Number: 28312 is one that comes to mind. Good luck.
The washer is an AA806 according to the label on the machine and it was made in Dec. 1979, probably one of the last if not the very last avocado 806 to come off the assembly line. Who knows, maybe the color was special ordered after the avocado trend died away. My parents ordered an almond colored stove after they had fallen out of style so the appliances in their kitchen would match.
It was suggested on here by one member that the AA was a mistake because Maytag automatics in avocado were usually labeled VA. Then another member suggested that maybe it was labeled AA because shading on front panels was dropped by the late '80's. It's also one of the last center dials off the line because in 1980 the dial was moved to the left-hand side. It's a mystery. I know the lack of shading made re-painting the cabinet a breeze.
As for the dryer, it's a DE808 SOH from April 1980. They're both among the last of their kind.
I have an A806 washer, series 0, from Oct. 1972 that I bought last Nov. that I was planning on rebuilding this summer, but an interfering water heater got in the way. I don't know if I'll have time to rebuild it this fall or not. The last thing I want to get is the matching DE806 HOH dryer to go with it.
The reason I told you to quit using your dryer is that if the bearing is going out and it seizes, it can't be fixed. The bearing are NLA, but if you work on it before it seizes, it can be saved.
As far as the rubbing compound goes, it can be used if you get the right grade and use good judgment, or so I have read on here before from more than one member. I'm sure they aren't all wrong.
If you want to try and work on your dryer and are somewhat mechanically and electrically inclined, Thread Number: 28312 is one that comes to mind. Good luck.
moderncleveland
Well-known member
Paint
Gary, I will definitely not be repainting these! It would be nice to get these funny water stains out but I can certainly live with them. I will try Bon Ami and a few more powders I have around here at home, and if that doesn't work then the Coca-Cola trick it is.
Gary, I will definitely not be repainting these! It would be nice to get these funny water stains out but I can certainly live with them. I will try Bon Ami and a few more powders I have around here at home, and if that doesn't work then the Coca-Cola trick it is.
moderncleveland
Well-known member
Bad bearings
Brian, it must be wonderful to step into a laundry room where the lights are dimmed and these illuminated panels are lighting the room. Those Maytags are going on my "dream machine" list.
Thanks for the thread reference on the bearing. It looks like a little trickier than I originally thought. I already have taken it all apart to clean it so I know how to do that, and I have zoom spout oil (also have white lithium grease). I have a fear of damaging something in the process, so if I can find a local repair wizard I will call a pro. Because if a bearing in the drum or reduction pulley or even the motor is in need of oil, wouldn't it squeal like this the whole time? It only makes this noise in the first few minutes of working. And then it stops. And also, these machines had not been maintained much over the years so I'm sure they could use an oiling anyway. Would it hurt to open it up and oil away?
Brian, it must be wonderful to step into a laundry room where the lights are dimmed and these illuminated panels are lighting the room. Those Maytags are going on my "dream machine" list.
Thanks for the thread reference on the bearing. It looks like a little trickier than I originally thought. I already have taken it all apart to clean it so I know how to do that, and I have zoom spout oil (also have white lithium grease). I have a fear of damaging something in the process, so if I can find a local repair wizard I will call a pro. Because if a bearing in the drum or reduction pulley or even the motor is in need of oil, wouldn't it squeal like this the whole time? It only makes this noise in the first few minutes of working. And then it stops. And also, these machines had not been maintained much over the years so I'm sure they could use an oiling anyway. Would it hurt to open it up and oil away?
beekeyknee
Well-known member
Go to the forum archives and look up Thread Number: 32586 in the 2011 section. That might help with the thread number I mentioned yesterday.
The bearing wouldn't necessarily squeal all the time. It's a sinstered bearing and sweats oil. That's why it has wicking around it; for a reservoir. As the reservoir dries up the bearing slowly gets dry and can start to squeal.
Your washer has one too. It's the spin bearing. As the oil in it dries up, the spin speed can slow down and the bearing can become worn.
The forum archives and the super searchalator are your best friends. I think you have access to them. I know you have access to the archives. Not sure about the searchalator.
The bearing wouldn't necessarily squeal all the time. It's a sinstered bearing and sweats oil. That's why it has wicking around it; for a reservoir. As the reservoir dries up the bearing slowly gets dry and can start to squeal.
Your washer has one too. It's the spin bearing. As the oil in it dries up, the spin speed can slow down and the bearing can become worn.
The forum archives and the super searchalator are your best friends. I think you have access to them. I know you have access to the archives. Not sure about the searchalator.
fester
Well-known member
NLA bearing source
The old hands probably know this already, but I'll toss this into the wash anyway. Bearings that are NLA at appliance parts joints be found at industrial bearing supply houses. A good counterman can generally match up nearly any bearing or bushing for nearly any application. In a pinch you can also fabricate a bushing or sleeve to rectify a mismatched I.D. or O.D. People without an industrial or mechanical background may not be aware of this.
On the Ironhead Sportster forums we keep a list of high quality bearing part numbers that match the NLA factory items. It beats the heck out of trusting to some cheapo China bearings from Taiwan Ted.
FEster
The old hands probably know this already, but I'll toss this into the wash anyway. Bearings that are NLA at appliance parts joints be found at industrial bearing supply houses. A good counterman can generally match up nearly any bearing or bushing for nearly any application. In a pinch you can also fabricate a bushing or sleeve to rectify a mismatched I.D. or O.D. People without an industrial or mechanical background may not be aware of this.
On the Ironhead Sportster forums we keep a list of high quality bearing part numbers that match the NLA factory items. It beats the heck out of trusting to some cheapo China bearings from Taiwan Ted.
FEster
