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I got home to find that the maintenance crew had replaced the ancient 30+ GE-built Kenmore BOL with what you see here.

Everything about the fit and finish feels cheap from the very thin metal front panel to the lightweight plastic racks that frequently go off track and require recentering. For a unit that runs from USD 360.00 to USD 450.00, this is to be expected.

The rack layout is a joke and seems to suppose that this will be a DISHwasher only with no pots and pans done in it. The user guide gives two possible loading schemes and both pertain only to table settings (plates, cups, saucers, dessert plates and drinking glasses). As you can see, I loaded in two regular size saucepans and the bowl, and it would take no more. I needed to get creative with those. Plastic bowls on the top rack just seemed a taste out of place, not quite fitting.

The machine is rated at 60 dBA noise level, and that sounds correct to me. Not that I would complain after hearing that loud shaded-pole GE whine and rattle.

Jerome/Gelaundry4ever will be intrigued to know that spray action alternates between spray arms; at no time do both upper and lower arms work together at the same time. Just scanning the control panel, I could find no way to select either a heated or no-heat dry. This unit is equipped with what’s known as “Dry Boost”. It’s quite effective, too. Now, I did what I usually do with all my machines - opened the door after the final rinse and shook the excess water off some items, but everything including the tub and the inside of the door were dried to satisfaction for a modern ultra-efficient machine. The one-hour cycle was generous with its prerinses: I did not actively count, just took notice of water changes, but it felt like there were three before the detergent cup popped open.

Using the Cascade Platinum pac that was provided by the manufacturer, the final results were very good. This load was after cooking fried chicken. The glass bowl had egg and flour on it; one of the saucepans held the oil and dredges from cooking the chicken. I found no trace of grease and no egg or flour left. Then there was the wine glass you see – fine grain yibbles. There is also that white dreck you can see in the bottom of the tub. What that is I can’t even think.

I posted this and chose the title since as ubiquitous as BOL GE appliances are in the American housing market, we will be seeing a lot of these in the future. I have six more months on my lease, so I have a good chance to see how she holds up to the type of frequent use I put my washers through.

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It looks bare bones, that's for sure...

but any dishwasher is better than NO dishwasher..

I hope to never be without one as I have been briefly and hated it...

It sounds so crazy, but they really do make a world of difference having one vs not having one...the space dirty dishes take up...the running water, draining, rinsing, drying...it becomes this whole thing....some people actually like washing dishes by hand..

Me? I can only do it for about a week before I start hating it.

as for this being BOL... I wonder nowadays what that actually means in terms of features or build quality or BOTH? I would used to say both back in the day...but today... I sometimes feel like when you pay more you get more features, but same build quality... same motor, etc... Maybe a better rack design or more insulation, etc...Of course I don't dissect these so I have no idea really..just a guess.
 
New US builder grade dishwashers

Hi Chris, thanks for the review I just installed one of these a few weeks ago. It certainly isn’t very impressive

Since GE redesigned their dishwasher line a half dozen years ago or so they have been holding up miserably. This includes the very expensive stainless steel models, etc.

One of the problems with these newer GE dishwashers including the newer Frigidaire units is a use a very poor durability mean pump that wears out they have brushes in them.

of course whirlpool has had their share of Maine motor failures as well from KitchenAid models on down if you use the machine a lot.

If I were going to get a baseline dishwasher today I’ll probably buy the basic whirlpool Amana where it does not alternate wash, arms, etc. it seems to be a little bit simpler it does a decent job. I also like the racking better in the Whirlpool's than the GE’s.

Chris , keep us posted how you’d like this over the next few months it’s always nice to get feedback from people that use these machines.

reply, number one, Mark I totally agree with your comments about the value of a dishwasher, I frequently time, my self loading and unloading a dishwasher. It only takes a couple minutes you cannot begin to wash dishes by hand in that kind of time to say nothing the fact the dishes are far cleaner than hand washing. I have friends who hand wash, and the dishes are never as clean, especially little nooks and crannies and edges of pots and pans and handles. There’s always grease in them there’s just simply no way that you can get things as clean as a dishwasher.
John
 
Thanks for the review of your new dw.  It seems like it works reasonably which is more than one could say of bol in the 80s/90s.

I remember when the flush front dws were a premium thing.

 

I hope it continues to work well for you.

 

The only thing I don't really care for on these new models these days is the gray tub.  It looks so dingy and dirty.
 
I just really don't understand why you guys across the pond pay so much for such low grade appliances. A 450 dollar machine here would certainly have a stainless steel interior, no exposed heating coil (I've never seen one here at any price point), and that's with 25% VAT added. But glad to hear it does what it's supposed to do well, which is washing dishes.
 
My complex did the same thing

They replaced my countertops, sink and all the other appliances. My machine was in Stainless Steel. I used the dishwasher once, it leaked. I will say that I didn't have a problem with loading and did what I always do, scrape, not rinse. It cleaned very well, but yes flimsy as all get out. They then replaced it with a Frigidaire FFCD2413. A little better build quality. I have to say this Frigidaire is doing a awesome job., Just Scrapiung and not rinsing, it has cleaned everything perfectly. I do use Cascade Complete action pacs, and lemi-shine rinse and and not disappointed yet.
 
My complex just replaced my 2014 Amana with another Amana. I can't complain about the washing as everything is spotless. It sounds pretty powerful in there! I just hate the racks with a passion. They are a touch smaller than the older model. The lower rack no longer has the bump out in the front so I'm running it more often due to the lost space. I told my property manager that I would split the cost of a better unit with them but he said no because he was afraid that the other tenants would want to do the same. I just shook my head over that one.
 
yeah, it takes me maybe 5 minutes to wash my dishes by hand each night and
I rarely use more than a gallon of hot water.
Plus I prepare almost all my food so it's not just a plate and fork.
But I always rinse dishes when done and
soak those that will benefit from that so
by the time I wash
all the heavy gunk just gets dumped down the drain. All I use,
after putting on rubber gloves,
is a soapy sponge, sometimes baking soda and/or a few drops of bleach.

I like the idea of a dishwasher but..
it's hassle, time, energy, humidity, noise...
yeah.
 
Exposed heating coils are not necessarily considered "low grade" in the US. They enable heated drying, which is a desirable feature in the US that has not traditionally been an option on European dishwashers. One of the common complaints about Bosch et. al in the US has been poor drying of plastics. That said, these days the energy regulations have kind of nerfed the effectiveness of heated dry compared to the old days. And it looks like Bosch has an effective, more energy efficient answer to that problem with Zeolite.

Plastic tubs... I don't know what to say really. For some reason they've long been the norm in the US for entry level models, but not in Europe. While not seen as "desirable" as stainless steel tubs, they haven't really had any durability problems and they don't hurt the cleaning performance at all.
 
The UK, and perhaps other European countries?(?), is behind the US in adopting the automatic dishwasher by about 30 years.

The US adopted dishwashers in the 60s/70s when the UK was still getting over rationing.

It's only in the last 15 or so years that the UK has really taken the plunge on dishwashers.

When we in the U.S. were in that phase of product launch, we had all kinds of enticements to make them seem attractive, AS WELL. They came in colors, and some were portable, and others had a plethora of useless cycles to make it seem more appealing. One could buy a dishwasher here for under $200 up until about the year 2000. Back in the 70s you could find some models for around $100.

Not anymore. $300-$400 is the least for a new one.

When do we think the UK will adopt home air conditioners?
 
Stainless steel tubs are pretty useless in the US. Modern dishwashers will never last long enough to justify them and some of the cheaper metals used rust sooner than it should. The only positive aspect is that it's recyclable, unlike plastic tubs.
 
"They enable heated drying, which is a desirable feature in the US that has not traditionally been an option on European dishwashers."

Older European dishwashers had exposed heating elements that also were used for heated drying. My first AEG dishwasher had it, just like Miele and AEG dishwashers. I guess European manufacturers had to come up with more energy efficient appliances and thus the exposed heating elements went out. Bosch was one of the first one IIRC that came out with a dishwasher with the hidden element.
 
My 2014 Maytag has a stainless interior. First stainless interior I've ever had. I will say that I don't notice a difference in drying because I never use heated dry.. I shake the racks when done and I have this small fan I keep in the kitchen and Just hang it on the rack for about an hour and everything is 99% dry... I've always ignored any reviews on bad drying because I never cared about how well it can dry.

I also don't notice a difference in cleaning in terms of the past models I've had that were plastic. But the interior feels so much stronger than plastic.

The reason I don't use heated dry? I feel like it's a total waste of time because here's what happens: The racks didn't get to be shaken to get any water off from bottoms of mugs or lips of plastic...the dry cycle never is able to dry small pools of water.. so when dry cycle is over...everything is dry on the bottom, and when you pull the top rack out, any pooled water comes down on the dried dishes... opening the door immediately when done... shaking the racks and a fan work best for me. Oh.. and I take my fan apart and clean it.. It's not some nasty fan with gross dust covered fan blades..

If I had this dishwasher I would do the exact same thing.. I know some dishwashers have fans...I've never been lucky enough to have one with a fan. The circulating air dries them so fast
 
Reply #6

Two months before my replacement (which was one month after I started complaining about the old GE with its detergent drawer stuck closed, rinse aid dispenser stuck open and abusively used lower rack), I saw an Amana box in the dumpster and got all excited. I was very pleased with Amana's Whirlpool sibling I have had for 7 years at the house I still own. Dunno about Amana, but that base level WP has a tall tub and a soil sensor - something expected only in models that cost more. And Whirlpool's triple filtering system is hard to beat. So, I was a touch disappointed to see the GE and not an Amana. I completely agree with John in Reply #2: if my property manager had asked me my preference I would have opted for the Amana.
 
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