The Hoover A3110 is not happy... poorly pump!

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richardc1983

richardc1983

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The other week before my holidays the pump motor appeared to have jammed I could hear it humming. I thought maybe something caught in the pump so pulled the machine out and turned the fan round on the pump and it moved ok and smooth so started it back up and it pumped out fine and ran ok for the rest of that week. Bear in mind this pump has always been noisy but has done its job since I got the machine.

Anyway after 10 days holiday I came back last night to the boiler breaking down ( from 33C heat in spain to 10C UK weather I wanted a hot shower) and thought I would put a wash on (first holiday wash). When it came to the drain stage I noticed the machine is not emptying but trying to spin full of wate with the pump just humming. Not good being 1am I turned the machine off and decided to call it a night.

Got up next day and pulled the machine out this time the pump seems seized/stiff to turn with a small pool of water under the pump and the pump housing rusted so it appears the bearings/seals have gone and leaking water which have in turn corroded the motor and seized it.

Anyway onto ebay I went and bought a new pump with the red cooling fan for about £13 and will fit when it arrives. I assume this is easy to swap out? Do I need any special tools, does the pump just screw in or is it bolted in? Know I will need to remove jubilee clips and get all the water out... flooded kitchen :(

Least the new pump will be quiet like!
 
Hi Richard

No special tools requried, probably an 8 or 10mm bolt retaining the pump to the cabinet. If a pump can is fitted, a philips screwdriver to transfer to the new pump(Make sure is the wires cannot chafe on the can). Oh and a bucket and some towels, or a wet & dry vac!

I guess there is always something to remind you the holiday is over lol =)

Regards Andy
 
Pump cover

Yes I do, pump can / metal guard.

Looks like the right one to me in the link.

If the pump has been leaking for a while you may want to aim some wd40 on the bolt threads before trying to remove.
 
Pump still not arrived, not impressed as paid for next day delivery so should have been here today! They gave me a tracking number which according to courier wasnt valid so I dont even think its been sent out! However the seller is saying it has! So why cant provide me with tracking number!

 

The washing is mounting up and feel cheeky asking to use neighbours washer lol plus doesnt wash as well!
 
Hi Richard

Can you believe that a similar thing happened to my A3060, last weekend, I had a load in whilst repairing a cleaner and I was thinking how an unpromising spin turned out beautifully balanced, when during the 1100 spin I thought there was a funny smell, and assumed it was the vac I was running, looked over to see smoke comming out from around the machine, I assumed it was the capacitor about to blow, so shut it off. As it was late I left it until sunday, when I opened it up and couldnt see anything I switched back on and the pump when bang, so fitted the same pump you've got, I got a job lot a few years back, but having used two of the ten I'm getting low stock anxiety. The pump works well but to the purest doesn't sound right in a Hoover, as it doesn't have the disc impellor. I do have some original pumps, so as and when I find one I replace it.

All the best with your repair, let us now how it goes

Mathew

( and just because we are enjoying a hotpoint season lol )

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Matthew

What kind of an impeller does it have?

 

I thought it was a like for like replacement - hope its not a pump that will get blocked due to their being no filter?

 

This was the one I was reccomended to use as I thought it was original, the one thats in is a white fan one.

 

Richard.
 
Hoover had a different impeller that was fairly flat and something like 8 shallow impellers. This design was to stop buttons not jamming the pump. The normal type are four impellers and will work fine. You could always fit later Askoll type pump which will be quieter and never leak. But I can understand the purists method of trying to keep to what was fitted.

Hope it arrives up soon.
 
Askoll Pumps

Hello Andy surely you dont mean the horrible noisy magnetic pumps that are fitted in modern machines.
The shaded pole pumps are far quieter in operation

Richard I know how frustrating it is waiting for something to arrive, be patient things will sort themselves out.

Mat so the pump finally died..........well it is about 35 years old, i have found the source of the rattle on my 3060.........major job!

Gary
 
Askoll

Hi Gary

Yes I mean the magnetic pump, noise varies depending on the make of machine fitted to. I think these are really quiet on the Zanussi's washcraft (when replacing the old type shaded pole) and even quieter on those with carboran bases. The shaded pole can also be varying, the quieter pumps were plaset produced, I always thought the gre and copreci where noisy by comparison.
 
Hi Richard.
Oh the foibles of vintage machine ownership. At least with vintage, you can generally repair - fingers crossed that you get your pump sorted.
Though the only post move photo I have seen of your A3110 had a lovely pink hue to it, the machine looks great in its new setting.

Patience with the post - can be very frustrating.

Hi Mathew.
You will always be thinking 'its not the right sound' - I am now on countdown to the day when you replace it :-)

Hi Gary.
What the problem with your ex-Cornwall Avenue, Darlington that emigrated to Cornwall A3060?

Paul
 
Ok new pump arrived just as I was heading out the door to the dentist! Lucky as I was getting stressed waiting in all morning for other stuff that hasn't turned up.

The pump Isnt a magnetic one in fact it looks the same as the old one except an old fan so what do you mean my askol pump to fit later?

This one has 4 vanes on it.
 
Well this is not straight forward the connections are different and also the screw connections are spaces differently. Had to get my neighbour round to help...

Forgot te machine was full of water and the drain hose dropped to the floor water everywhere!
 
The magnetic pump in my three year old Panasonic is quiet only when pumping water. As soon as it encounters foam or air, it sounds like a Black & Decker drill on "hammer" action. Silly design of filter: a plastic spindle with a disc. I wonder if it is that that vibrates? Zanussi had a better design, but Hoover didn't need any filter with their self-cleaning vortex pump.
 
Learning Curve

Hello Richard

When you say the connections are different do you mean the elctrical connections? there should be male spades on the pump and female spades on the end of the two wires going to it

do you also mean that the mounting holes are not in the correct place?

Hope you got the water cleared up ok

Gary

Rolls rapide
This has been exactly my experience of magnetic pumps on three different make of machines i have owned that all had these type of pumps (Hoover,Bosch,Hotpoint), they are quietish when under load but as you say when they are not under load they are noisy as hell, how Hotpoint have the cheek to put "whisper quiet" on the front of my aqualtis beggers belief they should be taken to court by trading standards

The main problem with them is they are in affect a 2 pole motor, 2 pole motors vibrate alot due to the rapid push/pull affect when they are rotating, the more poles a motor has the smoother its rotation
 
Gary...

Hi Gary

Ended up getting my neighbour involved as I was starting to get stressed out! I replaced the motor one time with no issue at all but this was difficult!

The screws were solid wtih the rust from the leaking pump. Anyway the spades were smaller on the electrical connections of the washer and the new pump they were bigger so had to change them also to match the new one and also the mounting spaces were different and only one place to mount onto the pump that would fit. Anyway its all secure now did 3 loads last night cant believe I put up with such a noisy pump for so long cant even tell its on now.

You can also see my Bosch countertop dishwasher I refitted yesterday :)

Heres a pic of her in her new home lol.. will post a pic of the knackered pump later!

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Rumpy Pumpy

You got there in the end Richard which what it is all about, plus you have more experience of your machine.

Glad the new pump sounds good aswell.

Gary
 
Finally caught up with all my washing had to pull machine out other day as wouldn't drain again... Pump was making a loud buzzing sound like it was jammed. The water cover tin had caught against the fan and jammed it! Funny how had worked fine for a bit!
 
Now leaking... probably not the pump that had failed!

Further issues now with the hoover... noticed a puddle of water pooling under neath the machine, I put this down to the previous pump leaking at the seals however I now realise it wasnt the pump that was leaking and upon taking the lid off and the soap dispenser out I can see a drip drip drip inside the soap dispenser compartment. Seems that one of the valves is letting water pass through still this is leaking out through where the hoses connect to the back of the soap box. The hoses are not leaking but where this manifold connects to the soap box and is sealed by some sort of sealant glue this is leaking and when I put the machine on to fill the hot water is spraying through this manifold. When the machine is off this is leaking onto the floor. I suspect the water has dripped onto the previous pump so much that it corroded it! I think this has been happening over a long period of time and I have always put it down to the age old pump.. which probably wasnt the issue here but because it was noisy I thought it had finally given up! But had this water not been leaking down onto it from the soap box area it prob would have still been running.

So for now I have turned off the hot water feed to the machine so the machine is cold fill only and once I know how to rectify these issues will sort it out properly. When I took the lid off the drum also seems out of alignment slightly, possibly caused during the house move. Would appreciate if anyone is over Leeds way to maybe pop in for a cuppa and to have a look for me.

The water is not spraying out when the machine fills with the cold supply and it is not the rubber hoses that connect to the soap box.

Regards
Richard.
 
Hi Richard

Probably the hot water is showing more than the cold as the pressure is probably slower and doesn't shoot so much through the manifold. General rule would be to lift the manifold away from the dispenser and clean any crud / scale away from them. Refit and then seal with debor (rubbery glue). Allow to dry fully before testing. This is quite a simple fix =)

However, the suspension goes this was a common thing with the Hoovers. If the bolts are tight then an anti twist kit needs to be fitted. Would love to help if I was closer, so the best I can do is help on here.

Andy
 
Thing is this is leaking even while the machine is off, the water can be seen dripping through the soap dispenser compartment in fact sometimes I have seen a bit of water in the bottom of hte macjhine but assumed it to be backfilling from the sink! It is making sense now.
 
Well I may see how we go without the hot water on for now and just reseal it as by the time the hot water gets to the machine it is only just starting to get warm anyway. Hot fill is only really worth it for 90C washes where it fills only from the hot rather than cold. I dont do 90C washes and very rare if I do.
 
Soap draw

Hello richard

If you disconnect the hot fill on this machine bear in mind that it will not take powder in from the right hand soap compartment, Cold is taken in on the left hand one (pre-wash) only and hot only on the right hand one (main wash).

Twisted drum
Erm just check it by pushing the tub up and down a few times then let it settle if the tub is still out of true then as andy says you will need to fit a suspension kit, on a machine of this age if it has not been done before it will definately need one by now i would say, i have done loads of them and it is a bit of a pain in the arse to do.

Gary
 
hotpoint 95622

The joy of looking after and using vintage machines, It’s like having a classic car, every time you take it out for a spin you end up leaning out of the window listing for rumbles or knocking only to get home covered in oil, for us it’s moping up water and endless peering though the door and felling the glass to see if the heater is working.
 
Gary

Cant seem to get the tub in alignment when I move it into place it just springs back out of alignment.

So the machine doesnt mix cold water on a 40&60C cycle into the main wash soap compartment? I am pretty sure it did? Is there a temp way round this? Really dont have the time to sort this out at the moment.

Also there is also another leak I think it is the grey drain hose that connects to the pump... must have a slight split in it as it drips when the pump runs. I thought the clamp wasnt tight enough but it still drips so maybe a new hose is in order but I can get one of these for free of someones old machine I am sure.

Poorly machine!
 

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