the most angering laundry commercial and presentation

[combo52]

Going out of balance weak suspension

That sums up a GE filter flow perfectly, the machines built from 1961 through 1994 had terrible problems with balance the inner basket constantly crashed into the outer tub knocking the porcelain finish off and causing the outer tub rust through and leak and totaled the washer.

The totally redesigned team model machines eliminated vibration, problems, and walking and banging into the cabinet let alone out or tub damage.

You can always find consumer complaints about anything. That’s not how you get an Objective opinion about the best and worst machines to buy. You have to do a lot of other analysis , Maybe like owning one yourself and seeing how it works.

John

 

[Chetlaham]

Banging into the cabinet

I used two model Ts in the late 90s through the early 2000s. An unbalanced load would cause the tub assemble to violent bang into the cabinet until one day it cracked the outer tub and dented the cabinet in.

 

Over the years countless blogs have shown the same on just the Model T. Google search being awful in the last 5 years won't show me the top 10 best examples from the last 15. 

 

Repair techs will tell you the countless number of times the tub straps break from regular use causing and the tub to knock into the cabinet during the spin cycle. You leave this pertinent fact out.

 

That is not taking into account all the other suspension such as this:

 



 

 

And of course the tub banging didn't end with the model T. Modern GEs with electronics are still doing it:

 



 

 

Its silly to think the hanging suspension of the Filter Flos would behave differently from the hanging suspension of model Ts.

 

 

 

[gelaundry4ever]

GE quality...

GE quality hasn't changed. As far as I'm concerned, it has only gotten worse. This is especially true now that I'm a user of Speed Queen Laundry.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

following suit

Now, everybody else is following suit. They're following in GE's footsteps. Exception: Speed Queen Laundry.

 

[maytag85]

Reply #40

Those GE FF machines must have had severe problems with rust once the porcelain was knocked off from the inner tub crashing into it. I know the Whirlpool belt drives aren’t entirely perfect or are immune from certain issues, but a Whirlpool belt drive must have had far fewer issues than a GE FF machine. Then again, Whirlpool had a design that worked and didn’t make changes just for the sake of doing so. Interesting how GE marketed in the mid 60’s “Progress is our most important product” but yet, their designs just had flaws that weren’t worked out or perfected and wasn’t the ‘Progress’ GE promised.

 

[Chetlaham]

Whirlpool did make changes to their center posts, seals, stem heights, some for better some for worse. I don't know what they did in the mid 80s, but machines from that time period seem to have a lot of basket drive failures.

 

If you ask me the one design which truly got better each year (design wise) besides the direct drives were the two belt Raytheons. I can't think of any major or minor regressions- they were nearly perfected by the time they were discontinued. 

 

[gelaundry4ever]

speed queen 2 belt design

I'd kill to have a Speed Queen 2 belt design with a matching dryer.

 

[maytag85]

Whirlpool did for sure shorten the center post in the later years, but everything else remained the same. Slight tweaks and upgrades? Yes. A complete redesign just for the sake of doing so? No. Whirlpool knew what worked and what didn’t.

 

[Chetlaham]

What advantage did the shortened center posts offer?

 

[Chetlaham]

Jerome, tell me why!

 

Two belt Speed queens were the second best if not best top load design ever. 

 

[combo52]

Whirlpool automatic washer shortened center post

Had many advantages, first of all it put the bearings closer to where the clothing load was, it obviously saved a lot of steel because the spin tube and the center post and the post in the center of The wash basket we’re all shorter saving a lot of material and money.

When these machines were originally engineered, good water seals were not a reality so they tried to put the bearings up above the water level, hoping for longer life, when they went to the shorten center post around 1978 they put in superior seals and the result was the machines almost never had bearing problems after that whereas before the earlier machines would only last about 8 to 12 years.

Chet If you had any engineering sense, you could figure these things out yourself. It’s pretty obvious if you look at it why they build things the way they do. This would be preferable to being the little kid that always just goes why why why, lol

John

 

[Chetlaham]

Education doesn't make you a little kid, much the opposite, asking intelligent questions would be the sign of a mature adult. 

 

Engineering comes in specialties. Electrical engineering isn't the same specialty as mechanical engineering, hence why I don't have the same level of mechanical knowledge.

 

And you knew that already, just your zeal using an opportunity to call me a little kid aka pot calling the kettle black.    

 

[gelaundry4ever]

to chetlaham

I wish I could tell you GE and everybody else went to stupid suspensions, but the most I could think of is cost cutting which leads to poor performance. It seems like everybody else is smashing their cabinets, while Speed Queen is having a butter smooth spin like a ride on the freeway with light traffic.

 

[maytag85]

Don’t know what age Chetlaham is, but I assume he’s 5 to 10 years older than me. Sure, if you are 5 to 10 years older you may have experienced and seen a little more life, but if you haven’t been through all the mechanical aspects of a Whirlpool belt drive or any older machine, there’s not much continuity to your statements.

I am in my mid 20’s, still have a lot more life left ahead of me, but have more experience with the belt drive design. I have experience with rebuilding the water valve, rebuilding the transmission, fabricating various replacement parts out of plumbing parts, and just about anything you can think of on an older Whirlpool belt drive.

I may be in my mid 20’s as mentioned, but have quite a bit of mechanical and electrical experience with the Whirlpool belt drive design, a few other machines as well. Can’t knock someone even if they are younger and have more mechanical experience, you don’t have to be older to have wisdom and experience under your belt.

Since I have some wisdom under my belt as well as many others on the site, never turn down any wisdom and experience regardless of age. Never have this “I’m older than you so I know more than you” attitude, just a way to push people away then no one will take you seriously in life.

 

[Chetlaham]

Sean, you did not know Model Ts and modern Whirlpool washers had snubbers, and when I posted pictures of them, you then misidentified them as car suspension components.

 

Perhaps, just perhaps me and Jerome know more than he is given credit for. That is not to invalidate your knowledge Sean, or your experience. However there is definitely this energy of assuming me and Jerome know less than we're talking about.   

 

[Chetlaham]

And yes Jerome does inadvertently pick up older threads when a topic could better be suited to the continuity of a few single threads. However I feel it better we ask Jerome to voice his facts and opinions in pertinent threads rather than going around trying to prove he or those around him don't know what we're talking about or painted as having some type of hidden objective.

 

This thread I think is a great place for Jerome to voice his concerns.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

suspension straps

I wonder if the newest GE's have the suspension straps. I suspect they'll still break. GE is still selling their flawed design that still goes off balance, makes dying animal sounds, and doesn't clean well due to insufficient water levels. There are thousands of complaints online which I won't post any link because I feel like I'm wasting my time. Everybody else is getting in on the act. The motors are underpowered. Imagine trying to put the so-called commercial version in a laundromat, college dorm, or even a hotel.

 

[whirlpool862]

Not really an ad but this video really bothers me. The Hydrowave was NOT a good machine and was one of the worst washers out there. It was not an improvement to their awful model T.

They were NOT a new design, they were essentially just Model Ts without a transmission and with a variable speed motor. The suspension, outer sell, tub, and drain pump are all the same as the ones in your 1990s or 2000s model-T. I believe they made some model Ts until 2012.

They did not wash well at all, whether it was an Infusor or agitator model. GE used an awful mode shifter that was prone for either bad bearings or a bad coil.

They broke down all the time, and they were extremely hard to repair if the mode shifter failed (required taking apart the entire machine). When they broke, they usually got scraped instead of repaired.

They weren’t quiet either, while the wash cycle was fairly quiet, the spin cycle wasn’t quiet at all.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

LOL!!!!

What the heck is she serious? How is this improved cleaning and convenience? Dark colors never turned over in a GE hydrowave. The model T did.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

26 gallons...

I don't even believe that this GE could or would even fill up with 26 gallons of water. Super load size looks like medium. Something tells me they're lying! Stop lying GE! Stop lying!