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re 'frigilux'

Thanks so much for injecting some sanity back in this discussion. I want what's best for our nation--and not just for us, but for those to follow. We modified detergents a few decades ago because of the harm the old ones were doing to the environment.

As you stated so well, this is a fringe interest element here. I'd love to have at least one of my old GE Filter-Flo sets back from decades ago, but I also don't deceive myself that my clothes were any cleaner than today, because they weren't. They were fun to use then and I used to love that big filter disc on top of the agitator.

There are still many thousands of Model T fans around the world, and rightly so. They're cool vehicles and a lot of fun to drive and keep going. But, can we imagine what pollution would be like with a world full of those now? I'm a car nut and I can remember how roundly all the car magazines and 'experts' condemned air bags initially. You sure don't see that now! Same for crumple zones on cars.

The EPA is doing what needs to be done. We killed off our bison in this country for the hell of it. The world drove whales nearly to extinction for their oil. Even if the Trump/alt-right drones deny it, we're in a climate warming situation that will affect generations to come, if they survive.

We drive vehicles that are huge and gas-guzzling because our government subsidizes the oil industry, and under-taxes our gasoline leaving us with less than stellar highways. This is apparently what Americans want.

Whatever else I am, car nut, gun owner/lover, I'm an American before all of that. I trust in the wisdom of Americans--eventual wisdom. If front loading washers are the future--which I think they are--then I'll go back to them because my two in the past cleaned beautifully and were fun to watch through the door window.
 
Folks, unfortunately for some of us, time does march onward. Everything changes and whether good or bad it is a fact of life on earth. I just try to make the best choices I can with what I have to make them with. I truly don't have a problem at all with my new front load machine. It really does do an excellent job washing, rinsing and spinning my clothes out practically dry. I see and realize it does that with a minimum of water, which is why I use extra rinses just to be positive. Nothing has come out feeling soapy or unclean yet. I save not only on water, but in drying time too. It is a win/win situation. As much as I have always adored many of the old top load washers of the past, none of them come close to the job my new age front loader does. I do think that top load washing machines with an agitator or activator or whatever you want to call it, are going to soon be a thing of the past. They waste way too much water and do a less than excellent job when a front loader can easily do the job with excellence.
 
So Brucelucenta, do you think people who take baths are wasting water ? Do you have a home and do you water your lawn in summer ? If you do then you are wasting water. Watering a lawn or washing your car will use more water than any top loader will.

My Speed Queen can be filled up to the softener dispenser making full use of the wash basket and everything gets turned over and cleaned with a good detergent.

I am softening though about front load washers. I have no doubt the modern ones can clean well. Provided you can get truly hot water with a built in beater, yet people who own a current Queen front loader without a heater are saying they are getting great results. So, I don't know, maybe the SQ uses more water ? Or the water stays hot enough ?

Sometimes clothes need to soak in plenty of water and a top load is ideal for that.

In any case if the TLwasher goes the way of the dodo there is always a pail or kitchen sink for soaking,...unless of course sinks become a thing of the past because they are "wasteful" and we are all told we should use dishwashers because they do a better job.
 
Dissapointed

I feel like the least they could have done was make the tub ribbed in some way or baffles on it. It would have helped with wash action. Does anyone know if the FL SQ's will be able to use more water? Did the nice guy who posted the updates find out anything about that? My love for the TL SQ has died with the new information. It better be extreamly tourqie if thats even a word I butchered it. I think i'm going to invest my love into a F&P agitator washer now. How sad the news of this is. I really don't like the stainless steel/black looks of the machines control pannel I seen in pics, does anyone have any info on that? and how will the two different knob versions differ.....
 
duttyb11 don't be so quick to judge these yet. As another poster said these machines are not even released and many here are already condemning them. I am not happy about it either but I am willing to give it a chance. Maybe these will be good machines,...im willing to bet they will be be better than expected. Only time will be the real proof.
 
Thanks Frigilux, that agitator reminds me of the early Blackstone a little bit. That machine had good wash action from the videos I saw of it.
 
News flash folks, there is no water shortage on this planet. Because if that is the case, where is it going? To Mars? Jupiter?

And for those that failed or skipped poly sci in college, government has NO inherent rights, only the rights granted to it by those being governed. That being said, we've abdicated our responsibility as citizen be staying asleep at the wheel while unelected agencies have grown in power and stature, not to mention sheer numbers.

EPA, certainly. While we regulate ourselves back to the stone age, other nations are capitalizing on fewer regulations and thus generating economic growth and wealth.

Dept Of Homeland security.......right.........talk about a contradiction of terms. Did you know that Obama and his ilk wanted the law written in such a way that if you somehow ended up on a no-fly list, you were prevented from owning a firearm? Sounds lovely, caring, and safe.
But what recourse does a person have if they end up on this list? Where is due process of law? Trial by jury? Answer, there is none. Just BAM! and voila! one ofyour rights, guaranteed in writing, is excoriated. And, god forbid, you get on that list, how or what process so you use to get off of it? Anyone? buehler?

I know, I know I know global warming, aka climate change, aka whatever sounds good at the moment is a huge crisis that takes extraordinary government action. Et Cetera

These so called DOE mandates are not indicative of a representative democracy and do not represent free market economics. They represent socialism at best, misguided governing at worst.

For those that forgot a few basics, I recommend an online course in government 101.
 
agiflow2

In answer to your first question, yes, probably so. It would seem that a shower would do the same job with much less water usually. But people are going to do what they are most comfortable with. All I am saying is that on a basis of getting a job done well, the new front load machines do a much better job with MUCH less water and wear and tear on your clothing and other items and virtually NO lint or sediment. Even when you rinse 3 additional rinses, it still saves water and the fast spin leaves clothes nearly dry and saves on the drying energy cost too. I have always liked top load machines better than front load ones up until I finally got a new front loader. It seems ridiculous to me to have a top loader now when I can do a much bigger load with less water and do a better job than my Maytag top load machine did. My machine does have the water temp boost, so it gets nice and hot too. It is just making top load machines obsolete because of the water they waste and I think we will see that more and more as times goes by. I also cannot imagine the new speed queen machine doing a very good job with the new design, but time will tell I guess. I have used an old agitub Frigidaire machine before and the results were marginal.
 
'bruce'

I haven't noticed--what brand front loader do you have, and it manufactured here in the US?

For decades I was in health care. I knew that people had to come see us domestically and locally, thus supporting 'my' industry. Therefore, I was equally inclined to buy the products that they made to support them...

I must say, this new Speed Queen sure has people up in a tizzy! You'd think a lover had thrown them out of bed or something. Obviously, also, people on this forum appear to have little confidence for the engineers whose jobs are to design good washers. I'm an optimist at heart, and I'll happily wait to see what comes...
 
Thank you washman . In the 1970s it was believed the world would get colder and we would have another ice age. Seems science messed that one up. I am not against "science" only "science fiction".

I have never heard anyone who used a water guzzling top loader say in conversation ' you know, these machines use far too much water, don't they " not once and I am willing to bet all of you didn't either.

I would like to see a consensus poll if there is one of people who want to do away with top load washers...that WASN'T influenced by the EPA.
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Although I run them occasionally, it makes me cringe at how much water my agitator toploaders (currently the F&P and a WP DD) pull for a fill, particularly a warm or hot fill which involves electric power to heat the water (and pump it from the ground), compared to my lovely HE Calypso or quirky Neptune TL.  I have only once in 8+ years run a full-fill HOT load in one of them (the WP DD) and am unlikely to do that again any time soon.
 
I have little concern for using LESS water, but when it comes to polluting water I do think that is a major concern we all need to get involved in. There is plenty of water on this planet, but we can't be polluting it left and right. As for actually saving water, keep in mind how much water that industry and agriculture uses, wastes, and pollutes. That's where we need to be focused, not on what our home appliances, toilets, and showers use. Home use is merely a drop in the bucket compared to the aforementioned. 

 

Most of the drive to save water has little to do with saving the environment, or availability, but has everything to do with the cost to treat it. Treating water is quite expensive and in most peoples case that makes up for the majority of municipal water bills (in places that have sewers and treatment plants). We pay about as much as someone in California would on the water bill, because most of that cost is treating it. Our water comes from Lake Michigan and lord knows there's WAY more than enough to go around from there. 

 

Now back on topic, I hope this new machine cleans at least as well as the old one. Given they've extended the cycle to 45 minutes it sounds like it won't be as efficient in the cleaning process compared to the older machine, so that's something to consider. I do believe my next NEW machine will be a front loader, I have nothing against them except for the awful SamsungTag Neptune we had. I only went for the TL SQ because I grew up with it's Amana predecessor and really liked the way it sounded, and later on learned how well balanced it is during spin as well as how good it cleaned for a TL machine. Plus I hated anything else on the market at the time. 
 
TL washer without a transmission 60 years ago

Things are a bit different today then 60 years ago from a drivetrain perspective. Today we can replace the transmission with electronics and a poly-phase motor. Years ago we just didn't have the ability to control a motor like we do today. Full speed and direction control with decent torque maintenance is easy today.

Our latest machining center has a direct drive spindle, no belt, no back gear, just a 30hp motor directly turning the tool with a big hefty inverter running the show. From a couple hundred RPM to 8,000 in either direction and even with rigid tapping forward and reverse. Things are SO much better once electronics get involved. Our big CNC lathe is belt driven, but again there are no gears or transmission, just a VFD inverter and a 40Hp motor, and boy does it work better then any other machine we have had.

Technology has improved most everything in our lives in many ways so I will be curious to see how this machine works. It may well provide a decent design for those that steadfastly cling to a vertical axis machine. All the discussion of which machine or agitator gives the best action, but nothing turns over a full load better then a front loader, it does so once with every rotation ;)
 
Old Norge washers didn't turn loads over or turned them slowly, but they got the best cleaning scores in the 50s by CR. There is hope here folks!
 

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