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The front load set I have is from Sears. It is an LG made Kenmore set that holds a tremendous load and/or any king size bedspread or comforter. It saves me EVER going to the laundromat again for which I am truly grateful. It also does an excellent job and does it using less energy and water and saves drying time too. On a purely performance standpoint it is better than anything I have EVER used. It took all the enjoyment out of watching as I did with my top loaders, but does a great job.
 
While I was disappointed about hearing the news, I trust that they know what they are doing. I had a feeling all along that this new machine was going to be like a Hydrowave, and honestly those aren't bad, I don't think. We will just have to wait and see, but I trust that they are on to something here.
 
# 68 Water Shortage Etc

Correct there is no water shortage,

 

 BUT there is a shortage of clean water where we need it on earth,

 

It takes a huge amount of energy to clean water purify it and then clean it again.

 

I voted along with the majority of Americans to allow the EPA to regulate energy matters, sorry you are a sore loser, but according to goverment 101 they do have the right to do what they are doing, I and millions of other Americans gave them the right to do so.

 

To reply #80, there have only been 3 TL washers ever built that I can think of that had a one piece agitator and wash tub, this new SQ will be the fourth, the first three did not wash large heavily soiled loads uniformly, this new SQ TL machine will be the forth AW to try this.

 

We will get one and do a comparison cleaning test early in 2018, I hope I am wrong but I will bet that this new machine will not wash a large dirty load as uniformly as the current TL washer.

 

PS, [ Hi Bruce ] #80, this new washer is not ANYTHING like a GE hydro-wave, on the GE HW the agitator and tub move independently.

 

As I said before I am sure that GE, WP, LG, Samsung all tried a one piece agitator tub machine and it clearly did not work or they would have used this system and saved a lot of money and built what SQ is now trying to build [ all these washers use inverter type motors and can vary the wash motion ] So if this really could work every one else would abandon the troublesome machines they are building now and go with this simple design that SQ is starting to build.

 

John L.
 
Front load washing machines are great, but I don't know how true this is, but bearings tend to wear out faster in front loading washing machines. It takes years, if not decades for bearings to wear out in a traditional top loading washer.
 
Your bearing theory is probably born from the ill-fated Maytag Neptune series. But those bearings were trashed because the tub seal leaked water on them. I'm one of the few that hung in there with my late 90's Maytag Neptune FL and fixed all its design flaws. That has yielded me 13 yrs of continuous, trouble-free usage.

The bearings are more than up to the task....just stay with good quality ones. The inner part of the bearings only spins at most around 1,000 rpm....walk in the park for a decent bearing even with dynamic loading.

Kevin
 
The Maytag Neptune front loader may have been pledged with bearing issues, but there are videos on YouTube of front loading washers that literally sound like a jet. There are videos on YouTube of top loading washers that have bad bearings, but it is mostly front load washers.
 
John I also hope you voted in and are forging an effort in making US education number one. If we had the best education system in the world that actually focused on STEM and our top minds maybe we could actually come up with a system where mass water purification is economical.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/

http://www.davidsongifted.org/About-Us/Genius-Denied

If we applied the same thinking to the food industry only worrying about minimizing consumption and not advancing production to fix a lack there of, most of us would have starved to death by now. EPA regulations are only masking the symptoms, not treating the actual problem.

Second filling up land fills actually takes more energy in the long run, which leads me to think energy and sustainability is not the real concern either. So I fail to see how people seeing (and having concerns about) the bigger picture makes them a sore loser.

With that said I am glad that at least Speed Queen is concerned about longevity.
 
Front load washing machines are great, but I don't know how true this is, but bearings tend to wear out faster in front loading washing machines. It takes years, if not decades for bearings to wear out in a traditional top loading washer.

 

Well, my Asko is 20 years old (I bought it new in 1997) and is still using the original bearings.  It has not had gentle use either!  It has sounded like a jet engine since the day it was built...but not from the bearings...the motor actually sounds like that.  This is the 3rd motor the machine has had and they all have sounded like that.  
 
It is the orientation of the bearings

On a top loader, the weight of the tub and clothes come down on a bearing in a vertical manner and the bearing just prevents side to side motion. It would make sense that on a front loader, the loads on a bearing would be much greater as they are sideways loads. Gravity is not on the front loaders side here, but the Asko probably has larger bearings than most. Actually, I like the jet sound the Neptune made but your laundry room should not sound like an airport.

I have heard it written here that it is not good if the tub indexes, why is that? Does it "cancel" the agitation? In the SQ, wouldn't it be harder on the motor to move both the tub and agitator than just the agitator?

When consumers pay for water, you are actually paying for energy. Alcosan treats all the sewage in our area. During a recent tour of the place, the speaker stated that the biggest expense is not payroll but electricity to run the pumps and compressors. Purifying water also requires a lot of equipment that in many areas will need to be replace. Pittsburgh Water and Sewer Authority will be raising bills because parts of the system are over 100 years old and they use a lot of energy too. So using less water will benefit consumers.

Still, a full washing machine using a lot of water is not damaging the environment much. For example, I learned from horticulture at the zoo that a properly established lawn should not require fertilizer but most people in the neighborhood spend hundreds of dollars on chem lawn which just runs off into the river, polluting it.

Most couples will buy laundry appliances when they have a baby. As you know, having kids damages the environment more than a corvette racing playboy, but when our parents washed diapers in water guzzling machines, at least they didn't leave those nasty Pampers in parking lots. Pampers are the worst thing that ever happened with solid waste.
 
Bearing Life In Washing Machines

The only thing that really affects bearing life is the water seal design, type, quality etc used on a particular machine.

 

FL washers are at no disadvantage by having a horizontal tub, there are countless TL washers that have had frequent bearing failures both in newer machines and in washers going back into the 50s, 60s 70s etc, just look at history, and the cause of failure is ALWAYS water getting past the water seal.

 

If you really look at any washer [ from wringers to automatics ] ever built the biggest problems are when water gets into ares where it should not be.

 

John L.
 
Pampers

I remember reading decades ago that in the Hutterite communities of the northern US and Canada, their babies are housebroken, on average, by six months. Why aren't all babies like that? I'm speaking, of course, as someone who never had children (that I claim, anyway...)
 
Combo52 this maybe a silly question but will the control panel still have the "commercial Heavy Duty" nomenclature ?
 
At my old house I left my beloved WFW72HEDW WP Duet front load which was clocking in at 3 years old...no bearing or spider issues or sounds...and no mold.

At my current house I have a Maytag Neptune MAH5500 pair...also no bearing or spider issues...there is mold though.
 
 
Two friends who have Kenmore FLs:  One is an HE3t, now 15+ years (I changed the water valve last Dec).  Other is an HE3(not t), now 14+ years (I changed the pump 4 or 5-ish years ago).  No bearing (or spider far as I know) issues on either.
 
babies are housebroken, on average, by six months. Why aren&

You answered your question above, the answer is: Pampers! and Huggies!

I have known day care center workers who use disposable diapers, most day cares require them. Every day care worker has said "you can't train the kids, they want paper!". Some of the little kids who just learned to talk will actually tell the adults to put them in Pampers. Some will have a tantrum if they have to wear "big boy or girl pants." Back in 1957, when it was all cloth diapers, most kids were trained by 18 months, now some kids are 3 years old and still wearing Pampers (and P&G came out with a toddler size, I guess cannot blame them for wanting to make more money). When kids went in cloth diapers, they were uncomfortable and needed changed and so kids were eager to use the potty. With these disposable diapers, there is so much absorption there is no wet feeling, so kids go on playing never knowing they wet or even pooped. One reason I am glad I am not a parent of small children is they are always having arguments, when out in public, about "go potty!".

Some websites for parents for cloth diaper recommend getting a vintage washer to clean the diapers. Even the large amounts of water cannot be much damage compared to the fact that used Pampers just seem to be everywhere - If you go to a place where there are children, be careful you don't stop in a Pampers when you get out of your car. When I worked at the zoo, almost every day I had to pick up a Pampers and some of them were in not easy to get to places, they have been known to get into exhibits too. Most animals ignore them, but monkeys are known to throw a Pampers to each other.

Oh, and John, thank you for not having children. From an environmental standpoint, now we can both be jet setting steak eating, corvette racing playboys
and not do the damage we would do if we were fathers.
 
Speed queen

I am waiting, if these new 2018 speed queen washers do well and they turnover clothes well i am seriously considering buying a new speed queen, i have an lg front load now, it's about 4 years old, my dryer is on the left side of the washer so the door is in the way so i am thinking about going to a top load again, i do like my lg, it is very sensitive to getting sudslocked, even with a full dirty load using one tide pod sometimes, my water is not soft eather, of course im sure alot has to do with it being a proctor and gamble product.
 
neptunebob

I just never happened to have kids, or to get married. Engaged 4 times, I called them off each time. Confirmed bachelor, I guess. I have a couple of ladies at my church now getting extra friendly. Won't work...

If I were in my twenties now, I'd adopt for sure. There are millions of kids wanting and needing homes in our world and I don't flatter myself that my DNA is anything special.
 
Wow, there is a *ton* of misconceptions and weird thinking, just to keep it short in here. One could write a novel about it and I could write an entire encyclopedia.

But in the interests of keeping it on the short-ish side:

1) the fight about water usage is not that water is leaving the planet for Sirius or Orion. Treating the water, as it was mentioned, costs an absurd amount of resources. If people were *all* washing in cold tap water and not using the energy to heat up the wash water, there wouldn't be such a rush to get HE washers, but most people rightfully refuse to do so, given that the "proper" cycle times and even cycles to wash *well* in such conditions would force people to wait *much* longer to get their clothes clean. Given that *none* of the whiners here have signed up for a new power plant and/or water/sewage treatment plant in their backyard/neighborhood, and we *know* you haven't because it will *instantly* lower the prices of your homes, your next best option is to minimize resources consumed, thus HE appliances.

2) from the point of view of engineering, everyone who has an engineering diploma will tell you point blank that a transmission is the *last* thing one would want anywhere. It has been a necessary evil and that's it. It's been there for so long because having multiple motors used to be prohibitively expensive in the past. If you visit old mills, you'll see drive shafts overhead and belts and pulleys everywhere -- that started with the water wheels, for sure, but even when combustion engines and electric motors showed up, that configuration was kept for *decades* before machines would have their own electric motor. Single motor. With transmission. Because the motor was often the most expensive part of the machine, with all that copper wiring. Now we have motors, plural, in all sizes and they can speed up or down or stop on a dime. Cheaper, easier, lasts longer. Bye-bye transmissions and you should be all happy if what you were complaining about was how long the machine lasted.

3) Bearings. Sweet Jayeeesus on a crutch! Ball bearings (which are by far the most common in household appliances) work *best* when the load is on a horizontal axis, just like on a bicycle wheel, a car wheel or a front-loading washer. It would be *best* if the whole tumbler were set on *two* shafts and have a door to open on top from the point of view that then *all* the load would be in one direction, but then again, it's *safer* if you don't have a door that opens up in the direction the clothes will put the *most* load during high-speed spinning. In fact, for ball bearings, the *worst* configuration is in fact a top-loading agitator washer, as then there is a lot of weight shearing the bearing to keep the shaft from moving up and down.

There have been "special" bearings designed specifically for both toploaders and frontloaders and they are not identical to other run-of-the-mill ball bearings, but all things considered, cars, buses, trucks, machine tools etc have bearings that are subjected to much nastier conditions and they survive just fine.

This "the bearings will break sooner" crap started from companies that were *not* producing frontloaders to begin with decades ago, just like "the door will leak all over your basement/home". Now that they all make frontloaders, they've stopped singing that tune that you folks keep repeating.

Nothing like experience to tell what is true. Now that the general population *has* experience with frontloaders, they see that the chances of leakage are no different from toploaders in general -- in fact, many machines lots of people here love *had* a boot that could leak just as readily as a frontloader's but it was located out of sight under the basket in those toploaders, so many people never even *knew* their machines had boots too.

As for "government this, government that", blame the investors -- they are the *biggest* force in twisting the arms of corporations to "accept the 'generous' 'gift'/'incentives'" to produce High Efficiency machines. The *second* biggest force is the *consumers*, that is, people just like you and your neighbors that do not want another sewage treatment plant near their homes, and also the ones that bought a HE set and could readily see their clothes getting cleaner and lasting longer while at the same time we were *saving money* which doesn't grow on trees.

I, for example, have bought several sets of HE machines since 1999 and am not planning to go back to the energy/water hogs anytime soon. Would have bought a set way sooner than that, but there were no frontloaders for sale for a while. (For the pearl clutchers out there, no, they are *not* in the dump polluting, they are *still* working, I just like to upgrade when I can and I do. My friends enjoy coming to my "laundromat" to do their laundry for free when the laundromats in/near their buildings are not up to task, which seems to be often.)

And I am frankly often flabbergasted by how people cling to the *bad* parts of life. I've just heard the other day that companies had to pipe "engine sound" into their cars because of cry-babies like some here. I'm not talking about electric cars that are so silent that blind people were having difficulties with -- I can see having something that tells them a car is coming is nice. But no, the cases I've heard about are in the super expensive luxury cars, they got too quiet and instead of letting people enjoy being in quiet inside the car, they pump engine noise into the stereo. I guess that even if I could afford such cars I would rather save my money if I'm not gonna be riding in peace and quiet.

Cheers,
   -- Paulo.
 
Speed Queen

Wow!!  Just finished reading this thread.  I enjoyed the opinions and good conversation (politics aside).  It is good to hear from men who are as impassioned about washing machines as I am.  Thanks for a good read.
 

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