The Premire Wash Loads in the Youngstown Live!
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toggleswitch
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Darlings, IMHO the four water holes on top of the wash-arm are are not only to keep spinach bits off the window put for DRAMA....
I repeat D R A M A .......LOL
I repeat D R A M A .......LOL
Thanks, Robert for the great video. Maybe it was the light, but I never saw steam fill the tank during fill. Yours was a lot more "perky" during the fill. Was that the first fill? I guess you condensed shots taken during the whole cycle. Maybe your pump is stronger, but the ones I watched just gradually built pressure and the little side holes started spouting water, first like in a downward arc, then in a more forceful spray. The turning of the tower in those was a bit start and stop. I imagine that the modern detergent helped the results, but the cream of wheat pan coming clean is impressive. As for the pop up lid for drying, that used to be the norm for top loaders. The GE impeller portables did it, as did the top load GEs in the electric sinks. The D&M top loading portables with the fan on during the dry and the Hotpoint & WH machines stayed closed. The Preway gas dishwaser, after rinsing at 180 degrees, opened the drop down door about 3 inches to flash dry the dishes.
Maybe you could make some deflectors for some of the top 4 holes. I think they were to let anything that got past the strainer escape. Imagine if a green pea or two got put under the strainer by somebody and managed to make it through the pump without being destroyed then got blown up onto the glass. If you ran it with just warm water and no strainers and some frozen peas or corn, they could look like bullets coming out of a Gatling gun, at least maybe at the beginning.
Now, folks, as wonderful as that super hot water was, let me tell you what it meant in real life and why all of the dishwasher owner friends that we talked to before buying ours said, "Be sure it has a pre-rinse." If you had eggs for breakfast or had a bowl with some bits of raw hamburger left from mixing a meat loaf and put them in with any of that remaining on the dish, it was instantly cooked on when the very hot water hit the dishes. To make it even more fun, try it with an impeller machine like our neighbor's Kenmore builtin from maybe 57 or so. The wash started, no pre rinse, just a flush then fill and it blew the egg up into the glasses where it cooked on and only soaking and washing by hand with one of those soft scrubber things on the end of a spoon finally dislodged it. Mom made sure that never happened with our machines by rinsing the egg off.
I just happened to notice that the 1950 Apex free-standing model 970-1 was available with or without an illuminated interior as well as with or without the glass look-in lid. This was another machine with a Monel water heating tank. The early model only gave one rinse, later it was 2. Consumer Reports said it gave better results with two rinses. Like the Youngstown, its capacity was service for 6. Fortunately, our friends' Apex did not have either the illumination or glass. It might have resulted in an embarrassing situation when it came time to leave.
Maybe you could make some deflectors for some of the top 4 holes. I think they were to let anything that got past the strainer escape. Imagine if a green pea or two got put under the strainer by somebody and managed to make it through the pump without being destroyed then got blown up onto the glass. If you ran it with just warm water and no strainers and some frozen peas or corn, they could look like bullets coming out of a Gatling gun, at least maybe at the beginning.
Now, folks, as wonderful as that super hot water was, let me tell you what it meant in real life and why all of the dishwasher owner friends that we talked to before buying ours said, "Be sure it has a pre-rinse." If you had eggs for breakfast or had a bowl with some bits of raw hamburger left from mixing a meat loaf and put them in with any of that remaining on the dish, it was instantly cooked on when the very hot water hit the dishes. To make it even more fun, try it with an impeller machine like our neighbor's Kenmore builtin from maybe 57 or so. The wash started, no pre rinse, just a flush then fill and it blew the egg up into the glasses where it cooked on and only soaking and washing by hand with one of those soft scrubber things on the end of a spoon finally dislodged it. Mom made sure that never happened with our machines by rinsing the egg off.
I just happened to notice that the 1950 Apex free-standing model 970-1 was available with or without an illuminated interior as well as with or without the glass look-in lid. This was another machine with a Monel water heating tank. The early model only gave one rinse, later it was 2. Consumer Reports said it gave better results with two rinses. Like the Youngstown, its capacity was service for 6. Fortunately, our friends' Apex did not have either the illumination or glass. It might have resulted in an embarrassing situation when it came time to leave.
Thanks Tom, yes the steam is much more noticeable with the dishwasher tank lighted from the inside. You are correct that was the first fill that I filmed and it was only condensed shots of the fill, the Tower moves like you say, turning in bits and starts at first, then it progressively gets faster and stronger as more water fills into the machine.
I was surprised about the Cream of Wheat pot coming clean too, but I soaked it all afternoon, but there still was some cereal left clinging to the bottom and sides of the pot, it must be the combination of the very hot water and Cascade Complete.
You are probably right about the 4 holes on top to let larger bits of food escape, I never thought of that Tom that's a really good theory.
Now hopefully I can get the pump seal and bearing taken care of and finish this project. Wow an Apex Dish-a-Matic with a window lid I knew about, but I never realized they came with a lighted interior! That would be a cool find to say the least.
I was surprised about the Cream of Wheat pot coming clean too, but I soaked it all afternoon, but there still was some cereal left clinging to the bottom and sides of the pot, it must be the combination of the very hot water and Cascade Complete.
You are probably right about the 4 holes on top to let larger bits of food escape, I never thought of that Tom that's a really good theory.
Now hopefully I can get the pump seal and bearing taken care of and finish this project. Wow an Apex Dish-a-Matic with a window lid I knew about, but I never realized they came with a lighted interior! That would be a cool find to say the least.
frontaloadotmy
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Love the Percolator start
I will add the Minnesota Museum of Modern Marvels to the US
leg of the tour! In the meantime I'll keep my "Automatic
Electronic Cool Thing Locater Mechanism" set to ultrasensitive
for the illuminated Apex Unit! I would like to suggest that you keep handy a jar of Noxema, for the post cycle facials.
I think a thin application every other cycle will keep
you in youthful beauty for years to come!
I will add the Minnesota Museum of Modern Marvels to the US
leg of the tour! In the meantime I'll keep my "Automatic
Electronic Cool Thing Locater Mechanism" set to ultrasensitive
for the illuminated Apex Unit! I would like to suggest that you keep handy a jar of Noxema, for the post cycle facials.
I think a thin application every other cycle will keep
you in youthful beauty for years to come!
veg-o-matic
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Robert, I don't think I could add anything that hasn't already been said. It's interesing how something can be so hot and so cool at the same time!
I'm also pleased (and dangalang may be, too) that you make coffee in a percolator. Gotta love those P/S perks! Does yours have the light in the bottom?
veg
I'm also pleased (and dangalang may be, too) that you make coffee in a percolator. Gotta love those P/S perks! Does yours have the light in the bottom?
veg
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WOW...what a cool machine! The Jet-Tower rotates much faster than I thought and it doesn't look like it gives bad performance either...I wonder if it has to do with the modern detergents? Good luck repairing the pump seal!
LOVE the sound when it starts up and hasn't reached full spray power yet...reminds me of an 18" D&M Kenmore! (Dodges slap)
LOVE the sound when it starts up and hasn't reached full spray power yet...reminds me of an 18" D&M Kenmore! (Dodges slap)
Good thinkng Tom
I also bet that the 4 holes placed as they are atop the holes in the corner assures that there are no airlocks in the tower due to superheated air from the hot water; as that would prevent water from climbing up the tower completely to spray out all the holes top to bottom.
You'd have missed areas of cleaning if it did vapro lock just like an Amana Radarange with a bad stirrer and uneven heating spots.
I also bet that the 4 holes placed as they are atop the holes in the corner assures that there are no airlocks in the tower due to superheated air from the hot water; as that would prevent water from climbing up the tower completely to spray out all the holes top to bottom.
You'd have missed areas of cleaning if it did vapro lock just like an Amana Radarange with a bad stirrer and uneven heating spots.
Pic # 3 looks like a washer at the end of a spin drain. High and spread out LOL.
Does yours have the light in the bottom.
Sure does Veg, the coffee just seems to taste better if its lit up from the bottom. I generally only use coffee makers that have seperate pots so I can put in the dishwasher.
Sure does Veg, the coffee just seems to taste better if its lit up from the bottom. I generally only use coffee makers that have seperate pots so I can put in the dishwasher.
Robert, I was blown over. I do not remember "grammas'" tower twirling that fast. At best it was half between that initial segment and the final washing segment with it twirling around as it was. If it had twrirled that fast, I really would have gotten into the machihne. Yes, I did enjoy watching it though. And glad to have the memories refreshed.
Bob what really makes a difference in this machine is if the water pressure senser is set properly. Its very touchy, 1/10 of an inch in either direction makes a huge difference in how much water fills into the machine, if the dishwasher is not getting enough water the tower turns much slower.
pressure sensor or, in case of smoke, censer, see.......
...Why does my dishwasher smell like High Mass at Smokey Mary's?
I wonder if that was what was wrong with the Consumer Reports machine (and with the few I saw)? I remember how Consumers' Research, I think, rated the GE combo unacceptable because of very poor water extraction (imagine how bad it had to be to flunk out on that), then found out that the OOB switch mechanism was not working properly and when that was corrected, it was still no star, but no worse than the rest of the early 60s combos at water extraction. Properly calibrated, this could have been the best 30" wide dishwasher to wash no more than 6 glasses.
...Why does my dishwasher smell like High Mass at Smokey Mary's?
I wonder if that was what was wrong with the Consumer Reports machine (and with the few I saw)? I remember how Consumers' Research, I think, rated the GE combo unacceptable because of very poor water extraction (imagine how bad it had to be to flunk out on that), then found out that the OOB switch mechanism was not working properly and when that was corrected, it was still no star, but no worse than the rest of the early 60s combos at water extraction. Properly calibrated, this could have been the best 30" wide dishwasher to wash no more than 6 glasses.
toggleswitch
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oh Tom, your commentaries are priceless, and hugely informative, LUV IT!
TYVM
TYVM
deeptub
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Percolator in the dishwasher
Robert, I have a P/S Starflite percolator that I haven't put through the dishwasher as I've been concerned that the fabulous stars would fade away. But yours looks terrific--do you machine wash it regularly?
T.
Robert, I have a P/S Starflite percolator that I haven't put through the dishwasher as I've been concerned that the fabulous stars would fade away. But yours looks terrific--do you machine wash it regularly?
T.
I was thinking the exact same thing Tom, the pump pressure sensor is mounted next to the pump. The pump outlet port has a small spring loaded rod that moves in and out, the higher the water pressure moving through the pump outlet up to the Jet-Tower the further this rod moves out. When it reaches its necessary force the rod pushes a button on a microswitch which starts the timer motor moving, which shuts off the water valve. This microswitch is not mounted very securely so I could see how it could get moved slightly during transit.
Starflight Perc Glass
"do you machine wash it regularly?"
Yes, every evening.
"do you machine wash it regularly?"
Yes, every evening.
NEW FOR '52 from Youngstown
From the April, 1952 Electrical Merchandising:
Selling Features: Hydro-Electric control (as opposed to a hydroelectric power plant), an operating system (computer lingo in 1952!) that employs electricity and water pressure to insure positive action in each phase of the 9 3/4 min. wash-rinse cycle...flat porcelain enameled lid provides extra work surface (HORRORS! NO MORE WINDOW..Even Westinghouse Dryers got a window in '52)
Upper racking basket holds up to 50 per cent more including stemware, ash trays, coasters (you always have so many of these two items), cutlery basket is vinyl covered, curved to hang on outer rim of rack, holds service for 6 (still).
From the April, 1952 Electrical Merchandising:
Selling Features: Hydro-Electric control (as opposed to a hydroelectric power plant), an operating system (computer lingo in 1952!) that employs electricity and water pressure to insure positive action in each phase of the 9 3/4 min. wash-rinse cycle...flat porcelain enameled lid provides extra work surface (HORRORS! NO MORE WINDOW..Even Westinghouse Dryers got a window in '52)
Upper racking basket holds up to 50 per cent more including stemware, ash trays, coasters (you always have so many of these two items), cutlery basket is vinyl covered, curved to hang on outer rim of rack, holds service for 6 (still).
Last Word In Automatic Dishwashing
There's a movie in the Prelinger Archives about this dishwasher called "The Last Word in Automatic Dishwashing". It's a movie for salesmen that is supposed to help selling this dishwasher to the housewife. I love the Prelinger Archives and will start a new thread about it in the Super forum. Lots of gems there.
Louis
There's a movie in the Prelinger Archives about this dishwasher called "The Last Word in Automatic Dishwashing". It's a movie for salesmen that is supposed to help selling this dishwasher to the housewife. I love the Prelinger Archives and will start a new thread about it in the Super forum. Lots of gems there.
Louis
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So what brands are the washer, range, and refrigerator the modern housewife is shown using? And what brands are those appliances in the later shot with picture overlays of those 3 appliances.
Incidnetally, is there a rinse cycle in this machine?
So what brands are the washer, range, and refrigerator the modern housewife is shown using? And what brands are those appliances in the later shot with picture overlays of those 3 appliances.
Incidnetally, is there a rinse cycle in this machine?
Thanks for the neat video Robert! Sure looks like the machine has great washing action. How long does the complete cycle take? Love the way the lid just pops up at the end and all that steam rising. Thanks so much for sharing with us. Terry
two rinses, 9.75 minutes
angus
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WOW! Beautiful , Robert, just beautiful........
brisnat81
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Hi Terry,
The Dishlex machines in Australia starting with the Mark 8 in 1980 has a 14minute fast wash, when the machine was connected to 55-65degC hot water.
Prewash, Wash, Rinse, Rinse, Off.
By the mid 80's they'd gotten it down to 12 minutes.
We used to use the fast wash, when we had lots of friends over. Mum would use it to clean bowls plates and cups that didnt have dried on crap. If it was lightly soiled it always came clean.
When they ditched the old style machines in the mid 90's the fast wash was increased to about 30 minutes, but that was due to the cold water connection.
Hi Terry,
The Dishlex machines in Australia starting with the Mark 8 in 1980 has a 14minute fast wash, when the machine was connected to 55-65degC hot water.
Prewash, Wash, Rinse, Rinse, Off.
By the mid 80's they'd gotten it down to 12 minutes.
We used to use the fast wash, when we had lots of friends over. Mum would use it to clean bowls plates and cups that didnt have dried on crap. If it was lightly soiled it always came clean.
When they ditched the old style machines in the mid 90's the fast wash was increased to about 30 minutes, but that was due to the cold water connection.
Thanks for the information Nathan, I think it is to bad that we have totally gotten away from this today. Like you said when you have company with lots of glasses and such it would be great to have a 15 min. cycle. Would also be great for glassware that you just have sitting around for decoration where all they really need is a light wash. Terry
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"Like you said when you have company with lots of glasses and such it would be great to have a 15 min. cycle. Would also be great for glassware that you just have sitting around for decoration where all they really need is a light wash. Terry"
What I do in situations like that is run the Rinse & Hold cycle twice, once with detergent and once without.
"Like you said when you have company with lots of glasses and such it would be great to have a 15 min. cycle. Would also be great for glassware that you just have sitting around for decoration where all they really need is a light wash. Terry"
What I do in situations like that is run the Rinse & Hold cycle twice, once with detergent and once without.
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