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maytagmike

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Wanted to get input of club members here. The Waltons was one of my favorite TV shows of all time, We had a big tight knit family, I grew up on a dairy farm and we all worked together. Our house looked a lot like the one on the show brings back alot of good memories. Mom's mom lived with us the whole time i was growing up. What bothers me is that alot of the reviews say that the show was sugar coated. I think it was pretty well true to form considering the time periods for the show. Grandma Walton my favorite. Looking forward to reading your views. I watch it on INSP every day 2 back to back episodes.

Good Night All
 
My mother loved The Waltons as she was one of 7 kids and said it somewhat related to them. My grandfather was an engineer on Maine Central Railroad and made real good money for that time so they were all were fed well warm house and the first on their street to have a television. I wished Ma could have seen the later movies and reunions. I can just see my grandmother driving Olivia's Country Squire
 
It was a Sweet, Uplifting Story That Diverted Us

I admire the forward thinking put forward in the Walton's treatment of their black neighbors, but have trouble believing it. I am not calling them clansmen, but I just think they would have bowed more to the mores of the place and day in keeping a distance. I am sure there were cases where whites worked with blacks in a cooperative attitude, but it was an exception when everyone was scrambling for the little bit of money available. I think it was a noble story line, but not totally believable. I also wonder about their economic success. I know that they were hard-working and it was comforting to see them gathered around the table for meals, but how big was that mountain that they could keep cutting lumber from it year after year?

 

I think the show filled a deep need at the time when American society was taking a hit from circumstances like the oil shock and the new social trends of the time with the breakdown of the strength of the family at least partially brought on by the economic hardships causing job and home losses. I still remember the successful home builder who lived at the entrance to our neighborhood who lost his work when the economy tanked when inflation soared and had to sell the house and move. Many people today forget or are completely unaware of the turmoil we experienced in decades past. The people who are unaware of the economic and social turmoil of past decades are either filthy rich or oblivious due to bad history teaching.
 
I loved the Waltons

Still do The show is timeless.
My Mom would agree with Norgeway's Dad. The Waltons were better off than many during that time period.

My Mom was one of 17 kids in a two room cabin, no running water, no electricity. They grew, raised, or shot everything they ate.

Funny side note: I was reading a story about the Walton's cast. The kids were pretty tame. Ralph Wait was a Presbyterian Minister, who fell into the bottle after the death of a child, the show pulled him out, when he felt he had to be an example for the kids. Michael Learned was a drunk, and carried a bottle in her apron pocket. Ellen Corby, dear temperance, bible carrying Grandma, was a chain smoking lesbian that could cuss a blue streak.
 
My main issue with the show was that many characters were naive, gullible, and narrow-minded to the point they weren't believable.

It was a 1930's version of a life that (even as a kid) I knew I wanted no part of. That might be why I'm unduly harsh....

Jim
 
ahhhh....I loved the innocence of the show.  The pilot is a made for television movie "The Homecoming"   it is a Christmas favorite for me.   I think the characters were truly from a time when family meant something.   My grandparents were from the Depression and from the Holocaust.   They decided to "fit in" and become Americanized and they loved this show.  I have very fond memories of the early years.   Patricia Neal was Olivia Walton in "The Homecoming" and of course Michael Learned became the series Olivia.    

 

The theme is one that I have used in events and it always takes people back to a simpler time...yes even the 1970s were a simpler time while the show depicted the Great Depression years.  

 

Here is the best version of the opening theme......I could listen to this for hours on end.  Jerry Goldsmith was the artist. (did many more themes which I loved too).

 

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AXWdQNzSb4
 
Will Geer (Grandpa Walton) was a member of the US Communist Party.  He was blacklisted in the 1950's for refusing to testify before the House Un-American Activities Committee.  His roles as "Bear Claw" in Jeremiah Johnson, and Zebulon Walton helped rescue his career. 

 

He died April 22, 1978 of respiratory failure shortly after completing filming of Season 6 of The Waltons.
 
We may

see multi generational households in our near future because it is becoming ever more expensive to care for the elderly, and even our own healthcare. Many of us today have four generations alive in our families.
All that law suit money you got from suing those doctors and hospitals you will spend for healthcare.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be sued at all ever, but for how much?
It's part of the storm that has increased mal practice insurance and healthcare.
One example: A 76 year old patient had his testacles sucked into the drain of whirlpool bath in a hospital when the staff was lifting him out. They opened the drain before they lifted him. His attorneys argued that he and his wife's sex lives were ruined from the accident. She was also in her late 70's.
They won a court settlement of Two million dollars. of course their lawyers took
35%. The hospital lost the appeal trial. $500 thousand would have lasted them till they died.
So how did we get from zero co pays or deductables in the late 70's to now?
The more insurance covers, the more all costs inflate.
When my dad had his quadruple coronary bypass in 1995, it cost over $150,000.
Back then, the same operation in India was still under $10,000.
Why do you think so many Indian doctors are here today?
Access to good healthcare? Follow the money.
Is there a complete solution? I doubt it. Every nation with nationalized care also has private hospitals for the wealthy.
We're born, we grow up, work, pay taxes, age, then die.
The next generation does the same. Does anyone truly care? Most doctors and nurses care.
To any of those who do not care, or only about the money, I say, we never know, a black hole may swallow up the earth.
Bye bye Bobby, like She Devil Rosanne Bar's mother said.
 
Shame on him then!

Totalitarianism doesn't work. Russia ended up buying wheat from us beginning in 1972 to feed it's hungry people. The writing was on the Berlin wall by then. It had to come down.
You can not take free enterprise away and expect people to be productive. They have no stake in the profitability. Only the top one percent do in the party.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Of course the farmers ate well before anyone else, but the state owned 90% of their crops and livestock. In addition, farmers were not allowed to sell even their 10% in a free market.
A diverse contrast from here, where farmers at times were paid not to grow too much.
When workers have no profit stake in their jobs, they don't care, and don't produce well.
Some very large US companies are not paying the bulk of their employees very well. Possibly why our middle class has declined.
Many work 30 hours, and collect a food assistance supplement, or even a housing assistance, and are on Medicaid.
Why not pay them better for 40 hours, with good insurance, so they need no public help?
Do the math, who are truly the welfare queens? The working poor, or their employers?
This trend began in the 1980's. Trickle down, but the cost of living has not.
We may be our own enemy.
 
Free enterprise

must also allow workers to constitutionally organize, and vote in a union, or vote one out. Otherwise, they are at the mercy of either entity from bargaining fairly.
The Soviets allowed no such activities.
One other reason why they had no supply or demand for goods and services.
When a labor force can afford to live well, they have no reason to need a union.
 
Oh, it was a green eye.

When I was watching the Waltons as a teen, my parents did not own a color tv set yet.
My father was not fond of us watching too much tv. He called it the idiot box, or one eyed monster.
The only green eye I saw was on the back of a dollar bill at the top of the pyramid.
 
"Russia ended up buying wheat from us beginning in 1972 to feed it's hungry people. The writing was on the Berlin wall by then. It had to come down."

Why do you think they've been trying to take over Poland and the Ukraine for centuries? Poland and the Ukraine have been food EXporters for most of their respective histories.

When I was an undergrad in the 80's the professors' collective opinion was that the Soviet Union had 20-30 years left. Look like the profs overestimated them, lol.

A rather large number of people were duped by Soviet-style communism. The names escape me now but some of them were rather well-known.

Then again, we need to remember that theoretically a country needed to have a SUCCESSFUL, developed capitalist economy before it could become communist.

Also, one could be communist and not support the Soviet Union.

Jim
 
Bread Basket

And with good reason.

Of course, Neither Poland nor the Ukraine really did much to foster good relations with Russia.

Both countries:
- were westward looking, culturally
- conducted most of their trade with countries/cities to the west
- had cities dating back to the 800's, well before the founding of Moscow
- had little interest in buying what Russia had to sell
- had and still have cultural attitudes regarding Russia that didn't exactly help.

Jim
 
Now back to our regularly scheduled program"

I think the episode entitled "The Burnout", aired Winter of 1976 was one of the most memorable episodes for me.  A fire is started either by a space heater or a pipe being smoked......I was about 12 or 13 years of age and I could not stand the fact that the home was virtually gone.     Ahhhhh, television in those days....

 

Also this is an even better version of the intro and opening credits/theme   Begins at 00:27

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjuDJPoKWXw
 
I’m not here to defend Communism, because it was a disaster of epic proportions in every country that tried it.  However, I will speak out a bit on behalf of the people of the 1930s who were living through a period when capitalism had utterly failed, and when many, many people were looking around desperately for alternatives.  In the early ’30s, one solution appeared to be Communism.  It was attractive economically, but it was also attractive for its rejection of social stratification and racial inequality.  For that last reason, almost all black intellectuals of the time embraced Communism.  Considering the times, I don’t blame them.

 

Of course, we all know today that the talk of economic and racial equality was a lie like no other, and all the talk of success in Communist countries was pure propaganda.  Starvation, genocide, gulags—that’s the Communist reality.  It’s all very easy to see today, but not so much in the 1930s.

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Back to the Waltons ...

 

There is a Walton’s Mountain Museum in Schuyler, Virginia.  I have never been there, even though I lived fairly close to it for years.  As I understand it, the Museum focuses on the TV show; I’m not sure how much they delve into the reality of life in Schuyler, which is where Earl Hamner grew up.  He based his book Spencer’s Mountain on stories from his life.

 

When I was a kid, I was absolutely the only child I know who liked the show.  I found it fascinating, because I felt like I was watching a movie version of Grandmother’s life.  She was one of seven siblings, and her mother died young, so she grew up in a great big clapboard house with with a whole bunch of kids, just like the Waltons.

 

She got married in the 1930s, but she stayed behind in the old homeplace with her widowed father, my great-grandfather. She would have been younger than ‘Olivia’ at the time, and she only had two children!  But otherwise, a lot about the story was familiar to her.  With her husband (my grandfather), there were five people in the house, and running the place was all on her shoulders.

 

In the TV show, the Waltons are supposed to be some version of poor; but they are actually somewhat well-off, in the country sense of the word.  I suppose my Grandmother’s family was somewhat better off, though not rich by any means.  They were the first to have a car, the first to have indoor plumbing, the first to have electric appliances.  In the early part of the century, they sent out the laundry; but that wasn’t necessary once electric laundry equipment came in.  In the 1950s, they installed a giant commercial freezer in the well-house, and it was still there when we sold the house in the 1990s.  The Waltons had a lot of that, too, just perhaps on a smaller scale.

 

Race relations are another interesting aspect of the show.  People outside of the central Appalachians don’t seem to realize that slavery was not widespread in the area and black people were few and far between.  This changed with railroads, mines, and other industrialization between 1890 and 1920, when there was a large influx of non-white people, including a very large number of Syrians.  There were a lot of racial problems in that period, including lynchings.  After 1920, though, most of those populations left for the industrial jobs of the north, and non-white populations in the Appalachians almost vanished.

 

By the 1930s and after, it was not surprising to encounter more of a live-and-let-live attitude about racial matters, if for no other reason than that there was almost no one around to hate.  Several very good friends of my grandmother and her sister were black or Syrian.  My aunt dated one of the Syrian kids when she was in high school in the 1950s.  When the black and white Methodist churches in our area integrated in the late ’50s, there were no objections, and the older people I knew remembered the event very positively.  All my life, that’s the way it’s been.

 

Another thing about the show that fascinated me was the way the events of the Depression and the developing horror in Europe were described through the radio reports.  Year by year, the Depression lessened and the European situation worsened.  The way the family reacted to the events was fascinating to me as a child, because I knew how it ended, but they didn’t.

 

I also loved the Baldwin sisters.  They reminded me of a few neighbors and cousins of mine!!  And I was one of the few kids who had tasted a local version of The Recipe!!

 

I didn’t mean to write to so much, but this thread brought back a lot of memories.
 
Oh, the Baldwin sisters;

Of course! Their special recipe. Was prohibition still on?
They were considering another church organist besides grandma Walton, and she threatened to turn Methodist.
So much history wrapped up into the Walton's series.
In 1938, my own grand dad who suffered from pain and PTSD from WW1 exposure to mustard gas and shrapnel made his own whiskey also. They had no town doctor, except the coal mine medic. Of course, PTSD was not known then. Whiskey was his analgesic.
He made some for the coal miners picnic that year, and got caught, and he was jailed for 60 days. Big headlines!
He asked the sheriff not to prosecute his friends, or the local priest who were all there drinking also.
 
Strange

your Grandfather would have been jailed in 1938 for making liquor. That was long after Prohibition was repealed. It was in effect in the U.S. from January 1920 to December 1933. And even when in effect exceptions were made for medicinal and religious uses.
 
But even after prohibition was repealed, there were dry counties, at least in the south. I don't know if being in a dry county would have made it illegal to distribute home-made alcohol, but the states were pretty strict about where people bought legal alcohol because of the taxes they collected on it. Some places like Alabama had ABC (Alcoholic Beveridge Commission) stores, the famous Alpha Beta Chi houses to college students. 
 
Even after prohibition, home-distillation for consumption was never made legal in any state, as far as I know.  There are possibly exceptions.  The issue back then was taxation, because homemade liquor bypassed the tax, and the state was not going to let that happen.  A minor concern then but a major concern now is the danger inherent to most home distilling.  You’d think any idiot would know that a used car radiator would not produce safe results, but you’d be wrong.  More seriously, there is the danger of producing toxic levels of methanol, usually called wood alcohol, in the distillation process. 
 
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