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Here's my personal two-cents for what it's worth -

The appliance junk-yard that I've visited a number of times in the next town over is literally littered with ultra-late model Frigidaire fridges, by that I mean 2004 and 2005 models!!!! The owner has been in the sales and service business of used appliances for over 30 years and says they're the biggest "piles of wasted metal" he's seen.

I would be almost as equally hesitant about GE units. I do not believe that company is what it once was. My mother's 2005 GE dishwasher was pronounced D E A D by GE factory service in January 2008 saying it needed a new motor. Thanks to someone here (that is how I found AW.org in the first place so I guess I should praise GE for that), we found out the problem was a rattling conduit in the upper rack, and I corrected the issue at the cost of a 29-cent zip tie!!!!!!!!! Bad motor my a$$!!! The machine has run 5 times a week for almost two years on a "bad" motor, yet the moron service guy almost cost my folks the cost of a top of the line Kitchen-Aid dishwasher they didn't need. I am glad that MTN1584 has top-notch GE service at home, because it blows chunks here.

You know me, I like Whirlpool products. A major part of my decision making process takes into account the origin of the manufacturer and place of construction. We as Americans are often quick to ask what's happened to our economy, why are so many people unemployeed, and why can't we buy anything decent made here anymore. For me, the answer comes quickly. If we like the lifestyles we have become accustomed to in this country, we need to support our own if we still can. All too often we gripe and moan about American industry's woes, but then immediately buy the Samsung washer or the LG range as if buying the U.S. made product is for someone else to do.

We are still capable of building a good appliance in this country. Most of Whirlpool's product line is made here with the exception of their front-load washers, (note I say "most"). The Asian import brands bring their goods to our markets made with labor that costs pennies on the dollar what Westerners make and the U.S. makers are forced to compete. We consumers are often stupid enough to buy them.

If we don't get a grip on this somehow soon to level the playing field, there will be no U.S. industry left for us to gripe about, and people everywhere will be scratching their heads asking "what happened?".

Thus, my suggestion is to buy something Whirlpool-made. They have a marketing campaign going on right now which mentions their items are U.S. made by U.S. workers...I LOVE that and hope it works. I would still buy a Frigidaire or a GE over something imported, but I like Whirlpool and if in your shoes would look at their refrigerators seriously if I didn't fix the one I already have.

I own a 2003 Whirlpool top-mount now in fact, and had a 1990 top-mount before that which I left in my previous home.

Sorry for the dissertation...

Gordon
 
Gordon,

I drive Cadillacs and Chevys for that reason.

But - I have my parents' pocketbook behind me for the enormous repairs which American products entail.

It's a tough situation - yes, by all means - we want to keep value added business in the US.

At the same time, US companies have gone out of their way to produce shitty quality and screw their employees, shareholders and consumers wherever they could.

When I pay the repair bills, I buy Japanese or German. I can't afford otherwise.

It's a bit of a chicken and egg thing, but still, especially in appliances (and service!), American quality is the absolute pits. Frankly, I'd rather spend the money restoring a 1960's Frigidaire refrigerator (and in 99% of the cases, the whole problem is going to be that that little motor for the 'flowing cold' needs oil) than to shell out for a stainless steel clad POS which is going to be trash in less than eight years.

Same for all the rest of the major appliances, our vintage machines here are quality. The new stuff is an insult.
 
Panthera -

I think enormous repair bills for vehicles are much more likely bestowed on the likes of VW, BMW, and Lexus than on a Ford for example.

As for new applainces, if they are truly an 'insult', this is most likely that way because it's the only way American companies can price their products to compete with units made overseas. Here in the U.S., labor and overhead are a major contributor to overall cost, if not THE largest contributor. What should we expect of a foreign appliance that was made with 15% the labor cost? I don't care how good an overseas appliance is (and that's debatable), it has no business in my house, that's for sure, because they arrive in our markets unequally produced and their effects on us ALL long-term in no way justify any perceived short-term personal benefit.

As to vehicles, I've never owned anything but Fords, and probably won't anytime soon - 18 of them in fact. I was hoping to avoid getting into an automotive discussion, because my feeling is somewhat different regarding the U.S. auto industry vs. the appliance industry, but I don't see much of a difference bwtween a Whirlpool engineered and built refrigerator and an LG from Korea. Time will tell in 10 years how easy (or not) it is to get repair parts for the LG, and how likely they are to be supported over the LONG term.
 
French Door Models:

I'm not personally a fan of French door units, but to each his own. If you get one, I do have a suggestion: buy a replacement set of refrigerator door gaskets as spares and put them away for the future.

On French doors, the fridge door gaskets take a real beating, and I trust nothing and nobody any more when it comes to keeping replacement parts in stock over the long haul. You would hate to have a fridge in otherwise good shape that needed a set of door gaskets that were NLA.

If the fridge dies before you have gasket trouble, put the extra gaskets on eBay and get your money out of them.
 
ronhic,

Fisher & Paykel do sell refrigerators here in the US. This last summer when my much loved '67 turquoise Frigidaire Imperial bottom freezer unit finally died (compressor failure), it was replaced with a Fisher & Paykel french door unit. It has water in the door and a filter as well. The box was made in Australia, but the compressor is Brazilian.

I notice the seal method on the Fisher & Paykel (and other modern french door refrigerators) is much different than my garage fridge, an old Coldspot by Whirlpool. On the Coldspot, there is a vinyl flap with a magnetic strip inside that seals between the door seals. It's a silent and elegant solution, but I have replaced it in the past when the vinyl became worn. The Fisher & Paykel has a big metal and plastic flipper on the left door that fits into a slot on the top of the interior and gives a flat surface for the right door seal to fit against. It's kind of clunky but probably lasts much longer than the older method. I prefer french door models as in a narrow kitchen the open doors don't get in the way so much.
 
Not my experience

Kenmoreguy,

I live between Europe and the US and have since the 1980s. I run my own small business as well as teaching as a technical college.

Have to say, you're right on any one particular repair bill for cars, but when I look at the total cost of ownership, any Toyota, any VW, any Audi, any BMW, etc. is going to cost you less on repairs over the life of the car.

I buy Cadillac and Chevy because they support gay rights, refuse to knuckle under to the christianists and are made in the US. But it is silly to pretend that they are cheaper to repair over all, because they aren't. Living in both places, I, unfortunately, have the opportunity to compare and pay bills.

Your argument about how things are cheaper abroad is not valid for Europe and yet appliances built - even in Germany - are comparable in price yet enormously better built. The problem is not the employees, the problem is not the shareholders, the problem is the management and their 'screw the workers, screw the owners, screw the consumers' mentality.

As far as long term repairs, B/S/H guarantees parts availability for 15 years. LG (at least in Germany) has eight year 100% warranties and European Whirlpool offers eight year parts exchange after the two year warranty expires.

Try getting anything from Sears on an appliance older than three years - I went through that shit with them just last year on a refrigerator. Thanks to one of the members here, I found out the equivalent Whirlpool model, called their service line and they sent me the part, for free, as it had failed on all their freezers. Called Sears headquarters and they more or less told me to go screw myself.

I'll stick with US appliances built before 1970 wherever I can. Like I wrote, I support GM because I have my parents' deep pockets behind me and I support gay friendly companies.
 
whirlpool will NOT be making refrigerators in the usa for long, they are closing all the plants in the usa to be made in mexico, whirlpool will no longer be considered an american company, nor can they put a big sticker on thier appliances "made in usa" although i did read on aother thread that GE is soon to build a plant here in the usa to make refrigerators and dishwashers, years ago in the early 90s, ford motor company used to have a bad reputation for unreliable and UNSAFE vehicles, in the past year or 2 ford has completely done a 360, now ford is known for having better quality than toyota, and most of fords vehicles are safer than honda! the 2010 f150 is one of the safest trucks on the road. i do know my next vehicle will probably be a ford.
 
…so much money for a rectangular box that merely gets cold.

Thank you to all for your comments and suggestions so far!

Yes Toggles, I really agree with that! I'm amazed by what some of these "cold boxes" are selling for! Especially the "counter depth" and "designer" models when they started becoming so popular 8 – 10 years ago! I've always wondered what makes them worth 2x or 3x the cost of a "normal" fridge. Just greed I suppose, since the "high end" market is willing to pay for it.

When we first bought the house there was a Sub Zero 20 cu ft refrigerator only (no freezer) in the kitchen. I have to say it was REALLY great having such a large fridge space! But after the thermostat went bad about 4 years ago and turned the fridge into a freezer (the 2nd time) about 4 years ago, I decided it was out and the Amana would come in from the other room.

Repair this fridge? Yes I've thought about doing the colored die leak test and will discuss it with my friend. But one problem with possibly repairing this fridge is, if the leak is not immediately apparent or easily accessible, it would be down and not usable for a few days. Then what would I do for a fridge?

I'm probably going to just keep nursing this one along by adding Freon again, as I'm (unfortunately) going to be moving sometime in the next 6 months or so and I'll probably buy one then.

I will start looking now, probably for Amana again, but also check out WP and others. I'm pretty sure I want a bottom freezer, but I prefer a single door for the fridge. I'm also not a fan of the "French doors" and don't see the need. Plus they charge a lot extra for that extra door. I'll just have to see what's out there.

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Another little refrigeration story: Just over 3 month ago I looked at a used Danby 30 bottle wine cooler someone at work was selling and it couldn't been more then a few years old. It was in the house they just bought, they don't drink wine, so didn't need it. She was asking a fairly high price for it, so I did an internet search. I found a number places selling them (yes a current model) and Sam's Club had it for less then $300. I gave her that info and she dropped the price to $150. I asked her to plug it in and went to look at it.

The compressor was running, but after running for an hour, it wouldn't get below about 80 degrees inside. She and her husband decided to just gave it to me to get it out of the garage (SCORE! Or so I thought). I asked my friend to check in and it too needed Freon. He took it home, did the colored die leak test and discovered the evaporator inside the cooler was leaking. The part was available, but for what it cost, I could almost just buy an entire new wine cooler, so it went to the giant recycle bin in the sky…
 
Speaking of Reefers:

Can anyone tell me the approximate time frame of this Amana seen in a pic Hoover1060 posted here recently? And what about reliability? I've always liked the styling of these, and wouldn't mind having one in white:

danemodsandy++12-28-2009-15-16-31.jpg
 
Just

to clarify an earlier ill informed post.........Whirlpool is not closing all their US based refrigeration factories. Evansville Inidiana will close as top-freezer production is moving to another location in Mexico. Evansville continues with refrigeration design, engineering & technology....just not production. Amana IA continues with all bottom-freezer product.

Also, additional side by side production has started Ft. Smith AR to satisfy demand. Just a few weeks ago, Whirlpool acquired a factory in Ottawa Ohio where chest & upright freezer production will commence soon.

L.P.
 
Sandy

that Harvest gold Amana top freezer is from the early to mid 1970's. Mary Tyler Moore had the same in Coppertone in her new Minneapolis apartment. Come to think of it, I think the Newhart's had one too.
 
Refer Recommendations

We bought a 27cubic foot GE Profile Arctica when they first came out, with EVERYthing, Custom Cool, Refresment center (servidoor)
other than one minor thing in the first year all is fine, and that was 6 years ago. We just purchased a very highline GE Profile side by side again with lot's of features, including Custom Cool, Precise Fill, and a LCD touch pad. in stainless for the FL house, a 3999.00 refer for 1499, clearance at Sears!
I know these are made in Mexico, but at least it's north america.
We are now thinking of remodling the kitchen in CT and transitioning from Bisque to SS. I think we'll wind up with another GE SXS. one note of caution, the ONLY french door refer with ice and water in the door that is Made in USA is the Amana, all the GE's are made in Korea.
 
Leslie:

I knew that was the Mary Tyler Moore Show fridge, but I wasn't sure how long it was made. You can see Mary's very clearly in the famous "Chuckles" episode; Georgia Engel (Georgette) goes to it early in the show and Mary goes to it right at the end.

Bob and Emily Hartley on The Bob Newhart Show had an Amana side-by-side in Harvest. I always liked the little touch of using Amanas on these sets, since both shows were set in the Midwest (though filmed in California, of course), and it was very accurate for the characters to have Amanas.

Anyone have any idea how reliable Amanas of this vintage are? In other words, would one be a good choice as a '70s vintage fridge?
 
About the Amana....

My folks bought a nearly identical looking Amana 20 cu ft. top freezer in Almond in January 1983 for our new home in Charlotte. It had those exact same door handles, though I do not remember woodgrain trim traversing the doors lengthwise. I remember ours fondly as the "Amana 20" insert in the fridge door handle kept coming out. It has been attached by two metal snaps and adhesive. The snaps broke (why I have no idea) then eventually the adhesive got gooey and the nameplate fell out. We'd pick it up, re-stick it, and it would stay a day or two. Finally I cleaned the adhesive off with acetone and stuck the plate on with Gorilla glue. She never came off again after that.

I also remember that machine because ever so often, I'd grab the two door handles when opening the freezer, and one of my fingers would get squished between the two handles like a washer wringer. The handles were flat chromed plates, about 4 inches wide, and not very far apart. OUCH!

We gave that unit to the battered women's shelter in 2000 as my mom began to worry about it's 17-year advanced age and replaced it with a fancy Kitchen Aid. Now Mom is wondering about that one as it approaches 10 years old. I think she just wants a new one because she wants a new one....

Other than being an occasional finger press, I have nothing derrogatory to say about our Amana after 17 years of use.

G
 
Why don't you!!!

FORGET all the new crap,find yourself an old fridge,if you must have a icemaker,buy a freestanding one,my 63 Hotpoint just sets there and runs....quietly...needs defrosting about twice a year and ice cream is rock hard,and NOTHING is ever freezer burned from being warmed up and frozen back,also,it draws 2.8 amps,look how much the so called energy efficent ones pull, no one will ever convince me that a frost free fridge can be cheap to run,the old Hotpoint has had 1 cold control and that is it,I think that adds up to a better deal.
 
Amana 25 SXS

Magic Clean,

The Newhearts had an Amana 25 SXS. Betty White in her studio set kitchen had a FRIGIDAIRE kitchen,Custom Deluxe models.
 
Made in Amana, IA

When Whirlpool bought Maytag, therefore acquiring Amana, they kept the plant in Amana, IA. That facility is the one that makes the bottom-freezer machines. They are sold under the Whirlpool, Kenmore, KitchenAid and Maytag brands in addition to Amana. The differences are in the exterior trim and minor interior variations. I think the Ft. Smith, AR factory is originally the Amana SxS mfr. location, but not sure exactly what is made there at the present. I think all top-freezer models are now coming from Mexico, as they represent a small part of sales compared to a few years ago.
 
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