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launderess
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Am Sad To Hear Of Anyone Passing On
However the stories in the media just seem to have a whiff about the thing.
According to this morning's early news, Mr. Jackson was worked on for 45mins total at his home by his personal physican, paramedics and others, then another hour( or about) at UCLA medical center before being pronounced dead.
Everyone is saying Mr. Jackson died of cardic arrest, well that is what we ALL die of, it nothing more than his heart stopped beating. While 50 is not as young, it is not as "old" as it once was, and Mr. Jackson enjoyed by all accounts excellent medical care through out his life. For the man to suddenly "drop dead" makes no sense, IMHO, unless there was some underlying health condition neither Mr. Jackson nor his physicans were aware of.
Normally the producers and more importantly the insurance companies fronting such large entertainment ventures such as a concert tour planned by Mr. Jackson would have insisted on a clean bill of health before sigining on the dotted line. Agian, while middle age isn't what it once was, the man still was 50 and about to embark on a tour that would wind a 20 year old. Mind you the Rolling Stones and others are much older than Mr. Jackson was and Mick keeps on plugging away.
Reports state Mr. Jackson had Lou Ferrigno as a personal trainer and could possibly have been doing "doubles" of his workout. If the man was totally out of shape, suddenly pushing his body to those limits could bring on trouble, but again highly doubt any workout regime would not have been approved by Mr. Jackson's personal physican, and someone of Mr. Ferrigno's stature in the bodybuilding/personal training world would do something that could possibly harm his client.
Am also wondering why the personal physican was there in the first place. I mean it is rather good that the cardiac "event" (if that is what caused death), occured while the physican was there, but it is not normal for a personal doctor to hang around while one is having a workout,or even at home unless there is something else going on.
However the stories in the media just seem to have a whiff about the thing.
According to this morning's early news, Mr. Jackson was worked on for 45mins total at his home by his personal physican, paramedics and others, then another hour( or about) at UCLA medical center before being pronounced dead.
Everyone is saying Mr. Jackson died of cardic arrest, well that is what we ALL die of, it nothing more than his heart stopped beating. While 50 is not as young, it is not as "old" as it once was, and Mr. Jackson enjoyed by all accounts excellent medical care through out his life. For the man to suddenly "drop dead" makes no sense, IMHO, unless there was some underlying health condition neither Mr. Jackson nor his physicans were aware of.
Normally the producers and more importantly the insurance companies fronting such large entertainment ventures such as a concert tour planned by Mr. Jackson would have insisted on a clean bill of health before sigining on the dotted line. Agian, while middle age isn't what it once was, the man still was 50 and about to embark on a tour that would wind a 20 year old. Mind you the Rolling Stones and others are much older than Mr. Jackson was and Mick keeps on plugging away.
Reports state Mr. Jackson had Lou Ferrigno as a personal trainer and could possibly have been doing "doubles" of his workout. If the man was totally out of shape, suddenly pushing his body to those limits could bring on trouble, but again highly doubt any workout regime would not have been approved by Mr. Jackson's personal physican, and someone of Mr. Ferrigno's stature in the bodybuilding/personal training world would do something that could possibly harm his client.
Am also wondering why the personal physican was there in the first place. I mean it is rather good that the cardiac "event" (if that is what caused death), occured while the physican was there, but it is not normal for a personal doctor to hang around while one is having a workout,or even at home unless there is something else going on.
toggleswitch2
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Botox- Botulinum Toxin (Botulism)
As the rumours fly.
Heart attack
Cardiac arrest
Skin cancer
....and that was just from Fox News and ABC "world" News.
Maybe it was botulism. (Bad meat it the can).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botox#Medical_uses
As the rumours fly.
Heart attack
Cardiac arrest
Skin cancer
....and that was just from Fox News and ABC "world" News.
Maybe it was botulism. (Bad meat it the can).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botox#Medical_uses
chromacolor
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Sad to hear when someone passes. Will be interesting to see who truly believes that he faked his death, as there are still diehard Elvis fans who still cling to that hope 32 years after his death.
I grew up with his music, but when he got too odd to even deal with, all I can remember is my favorite joke:
What does Michael Jackson and caviar have in common?
They both come on white crackers......
I grew up with his music, but when he got too odd to even deal with, all I can remember is my favorite joke:
What does Michael Jackson and caviar have in common?
They both come on white crackers......
beadsobleach
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I always think at times like this what the supermarket checkout racks will look like next week.
I always think at times like this what the supermarket checkout racks will look like next week.
More info on the Beatles catalog:
Bizarrely, Sir Paul McCartney, the super-rich former Beatle, could be one of the beneficiaries of Jackson’s will. Reports earlier this year said Jackson had left McCartney his stake in the Beatles’ song catalogue. But given that this share already has a $200 million loan secured against it, there could be a few court hearings before the former Beatle gets the songs back in his own collection.
Some estimate that Jackson’s top assets, including copyrights to his own songs and the Beatles song catalogue stake, are worth more than $1 billion.
No doubt Jackson’s family, his creditors, and partners such as Los Angeles-based real estate investment trust Colony Capital LLC and music catalogue joint venture partner Sony Corp, will all be laying claim to some of these assets.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/06/26/jacksons-troubled-financial-legacy/
Bizarrely, Sir Paul McCartney, the super-rich former Beatle, could be one of the beneficiaries of Jackson’s will. Reports earlier this year said Jackson had left McCartney his stake in the Beatles’ song catalogue. But given that this share already has a $200 million loan secured against it, there could be a few court hearings before the former Beatle gets the songs back in his own collection.
Some estimate that Jackson’s top assets, including copyrights to his own songs and the Beatles song catalogue stake, are worth more than $1 billion.
No doubt Jackson’s family, his creditors, and partners such as Los Angeles-based real estate investment trust Colony Capital LLC and music catalogue joint venture partner Sony Corp, will all be laying claim to some of these assets.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/06/26/jacksons-troubled-financial-legacy/
That's interesting, JeffG. I'd like to see McCartney own his music.
I can only imagine the nightmare his estate will have trying to sort out all the legalities and loans/debts. I'm sure everyone who ever had contact with him will be coming out of the woodwork, not to mention the possibility of conflict among the immediate family members.
I can only imagine the nightmare his estate will have trying to sort out all the legalities and loans/debts. I'm sure everyone who ever had contact with him will be coming out of the woodwork, not to mention the possibility of conflict among the immediate family members.
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Sanford
While I am sure he would have never wished MJ ill, I suspect there is a governor in South Carolina who is feeling some relief.
While I am sure he would have never wished MJ ill, I suspect there is a governor in South Carolina who is feeling some relief.
Assuming Jackson's family and his creditors don't go after this catalog (which they probably will), to own it outright, McCartney would still need to buy out Sony's stake, and pay off the balance of the $200 million loan that was taken out against it.
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Death "and taxes"
Obviously I cannot speak to any "sheltering devices" that may or may not have been employed, but the portion of his estate which transfers after death and exceeds $3.5 million is subject to a 45% Federal Estate Tax. Gosh, if he hadn't gotten into so much financial trouble we might have been able to balance the budget.
Obviously I cannot speak to any "sheltering devices" that may or may not have been employed, but the portion of his estate which transfers after death and exceeds $3.5 million is subject to a 45% Federal Estate Tax. Gosh, if he hadn't gotten into so much financial trouble we might have been able to balance the budget.
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More on taxes
...and, so, our government, with a priority lien, will probably be in the music business as well as the car business. This can't be good.
...and, so, our government, with a priority lien, will probably be in the music business as well as the car business. This can't be good.
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Sanford
I thought the same thing Rocket, it reminded me of Gary Condit and Chandra Levy just before 9/11....
I thought the same thing Rocket, it reminded me of Gary Condit and Chandra Levy just before 9/11....
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and a bra and panties too.
oh yeah, like he didn't?
oh yeah, like he didn't?
panthera
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We're not a bunch
of catty old queens, now are we?
Sheesh - he was a brilliant choreographer, outstanding dancer, terminally screwed-up nut-case of indeterminate race, gender and sexual orientation...
R.I.P.
And, really, anybody spending more than five minutes on this seriously needs to get a life.
of catty old queens, now are we?
Sheesh - he was a brilliant choreographer, outstanding dancer, terminally screwed-up nut-case of indeterminate race, gender and sexual orientation...
R.I.P.
And, really, anybody spending more than five minutes on this seriously needs to get a life.
Keven, OMG do you realize how many media employees across the globe you have targeted with that remark? I'm with you 100% but you can add this to the likes of Marilyn and Anna Nicole cases that have and will continue to spawn books and tabloid TV specials for many years. This thing with The King of Pop (and I am not disputing that title) has only just begun.
Yeah, that's a lot of life getting you're suggesting there Keven. And we're not even talking about the fans.
Another sad commentary on what qualifies for journalism these days, but it's what the bulk of the viewing public wants to see. Another sad commentary there but I've gotta stop this somewhere.
Ralph
Yeah, that's a lot of life getting you're suggesting there Keven. And we're not even talking about the fans.
Another sad commentary on what qualifies for journalism these days, but it's what the bulk of the viewing public wants to see. Another sad commentary there but I've gotta stop this somewhere.
Ralph
launderess
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Right Spot
Well, Liza M. has issued a statement, one wonders how Miss. Diana Ross is taking the news.
As for persons being catty and such: well if Mr. Jackson had just been any other famous entertainer or merely "famous" (whatever that means in today's world), his sudden death would have been news enough. However in a sad but ironic way the man's demise adds yet another strange twist to a life steeped in scandal, muck and, well "strangeness".
Perhaps in some small way Mr. Jackson will now join the other immortals such as Marilyn Monroe and others whose early (and some would say suspicous) deaths pushed the more scandalous parts of their lives towards the rear and firmly seated them as one of the greats. Mr. Jackson's record sales and such were in the tank until yesterday, now try and purchase anything at formerly give away prices.
Sadly what will happen is perhaps more of the nasty truth about Mr.Jackson's personal life will out. Already one family who was paid 15 million dollars by Mr. Jackson to hush up something that went on between the man and their son,now feels the death of the former frees them from any previous legal agreements to keep quiet. You can bet they won't be the last.
L.
Well, Liza M. has issued a statement, one wonders how Miss. Diana Ross is taking the news.
As for persons being catty and such: well if Mr. Jackson had just been any other famous entertainer or merely "famous" (whatever that means in today's world), his sudden death would have been news enough. However in a sad but ironic way the man's demise adds yet another strange twist to a life steeped in scandal, muck and, well "strangeness".
Perhaps in some small way Mr. Jackson will now join the other immortals such as Marilyn Monroe and others whose early (and some would say suspicous) deaths pushed the more scandalous parts of their lives towards the rear and firmly seated them as one of the greats. Mr. Jackson's record sales and such were in the tank until yesterday, now try and purchase anything at formerly give away prices.
Sadly what will happen is perhaps more of the nasty truth about Mr.Jackson's personal life will out. Already one family who was paid 15 million dollars by Mr. Jackson to hush up something that went on between the man and their son,now feels the death of the former frees them from any previous legal agreements to keep quiet. You can bet they won't be the last.
L.
maytagbear
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There is a difference
between friends, and people one does not know and never met.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
between friends, and people one does not know and never met.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Annie Are You O.K.?
Holy freakin' crap! Have you seen the numbers for MJ's videos at YouTube?
Thriller: 37,000,000 views
Beat It: 24,000,000 views
All those high-traffic cute kitty/puppy videos have officially been blown out of the water.
Holy freakin' crap! Have you seen the numbers for MJ's videos at YouTube?
Thriller: 37,000,000 views
Beat It: 24,000,000 views
All those high-traffic cute kitty/puppy videos have officially been blown out of the water.
maytagbear
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I'm one of them,
bless your dear heart!
Lawrence/Maytagbear
bless your dear heart!
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Oxycodone + Demerol = dead.
At least yesterday's chronology makes sense now.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE55O6AK20090627
At least yesterday's chronology makes sense now.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE55O6AK20090627
launderess
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Like I Said
Something does not make sense.
Yes, saw the reports earlier regarding medications, and yes again Demerol and or Oxycodone alone if given in proper doses can cause cardiac arrest, and together the risk is greater.
Again, why was Mr. Jackson's personal physican at the residence, and why did he perform CPR alone first for a good while before the 911 call was placed?
Even if a medical professional is in attendence where a person experiences any sort of medical emergency, the proper thing to do (assuming someone else is there as well to make the call), is to summon aide while he or she works to "rescue" the person. Cardiac arrest is not the sort of thing one can or should simply recover from, get up and perhaps say in bed for a few days.
You mark my words, this is has a whiff of of Anna Nicole Smith and a host of other famous person's deaths due to unintentional consequences of perscription drug use.
It just simply is not normal for an apparently healthy 50 year old man to "drop dead" to such an extent that immediate and sustanined medical attention could not revive him.
Something does not make sense.
Yes, saw the reports earlier regarding medications, and yes again Demerol and or Oxycodone alone if given in proper doses can cause cardiac arrest, and together the risk is greater.
Again, why was Mr. Jackson's personal physican at the residence, and why did he perform CPR alone first for a good while before the 911 call was placed?
Even if a medical professional is in attendence where a person experiences any sort of medical emergency, the proper thing to do (assuming someone else is there as well to make the call), is to summon aide while he or she works to "rescue" the person. Cardiac arrest is not the sort of thing one can or should simply recover from, get up and perhaps say in bed for a few days.
You mark my words, this is has a whiff of of Anna Nicole Smith and a host of other famous person's deaths due to unintentional consequences of perscription drug use.
It just simply is not normal for an apparently healthy 50 year old man to "drop dead" to such an extent that immediate and sustanined medical attention could not revive him.
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...and it is now said that the sale, post-mortem, of MJ memorabila/merchandise/crap will pay off his debts and leave lotsa money for his heirs.
One thing I don't get... do "his" kids have any of his DNA? One appeared to be rather pale to me. Sorry, I just dont know.
One thing I don't get... do "his" kids have any of his DNA? One appeared to be rather pale to me. Sorry, I just dont know.
sudsmaster
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Sad to see him go so suddenly and relatively young, even though he was just a shadow of his former genius. I can't say I was ever a strong fan, but I appreciated his talent and impact on modern pop music.
Recent news stories say Jackson was given an injection of Demerol by his quack doctor 1/2 hour before he collapsed and stopped breathing.
I imagine that doctor will face intense scrutiny, both criminal and professional. He might just lose his license (and it would seem if his care caused Jackson's death, maybe he should).
Also apparently Jackson was deeply in debut, to the tune of $400 million. He was burning through $10 million a year, spending at least $30 million a year while earning only $20 million a year. I remember one interview with him about 10 years ago, which detailed his spending habits. He'd just buy very expensive knickknacks - oriental vases, etc, on impulse. It was like a disease, like he was trying to fill some void with purchases. No doubt all his creditors will be fighting tooth and nail about who should be paid off first off the proceeds of his estate.
I do feel sorry for his kids - who are left without the only father they've known and cast into an unenviable spotlight. Hopefully the rest of the Jackson family will step up and help both with their financial and parental care.
Recent news stories say Jackson was given an injection of Demerol by his quack doctor 1/2 hour before he collapsed and stopped breathing.
I imagine that doctor will face intense scrutiny, both criminal and professional. He might just lose his license (and it would seem if his care caused Jackson's death, maybe he should).
Also apparently Jackson was deeply in debut, to the tune of $400 million. He was burning through $10 million a year, spending at least $30 million a year while earning only $20 million a year. I remember one interview with him about 10 years ago, which detailed his spending habits. He'd just buy very expensive knickknacks - oriental vases, etc, on impulse. It was like a disease, like he was trying to fill some void with purchases. No doubt all his creditors will be fighting tooth and nail about who should be paid off first off the proceeds of his estate.
I do feel sorry for his kids - who are left without the only father they've known and cast into an unenviable spotlight. Hopefully the rest of the Jackson family will step up and help both with their financial and parental care.
launderess
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Oh I Shouldn't Worry Too Much About The Jackson Estate
By all accounts young Mr. Jackson learned well at his father's knee about business affairs.
His recordings and such still pay royalties, and given the recent upsurge after Mr. Jackson's death, that source of funds will only grow. Without interference from Mr. Jackson persons with solid experience and judgement will run his (rather the estate's )finances and that should turn things around. Outgoings will cease aside from what is paid out via terms of the will. Also without personal affections interferring, much of the "stuff" Mr. Jackson gathered durning his lifetime can be disposed of, hopefully at a profit.
Remember Marilyn Monroe died with little more than she stood up in, but today her estate is worth quite a penny.
By all accounts young Mr. Jackson learned well at his father's knee about business affairs.
His recordings and such still pay royalties, and given the recent upsurge after Mr. Jackson's death, that source of funds will only grow. Without interference from Mr. Jackson persons with solid experience and judgement will run his (rather the estate's )finances and that should turn things around. Outgoings will cease aside from what is paid out via terms of the will. Also without personal affections interferring, much of the "stuff" Mr. Jackson gathered durning his lifetime can be disposed of, hopefully at a profit.
Remember Marilyn Monroe died with little more than she stood up in, but today her estate is worth quite a penny.
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