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gizmo

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I recently picked up this machine from the recycle centre for $15 and have just put new bearings in it. It needed other parts too so I phoned a repairer who specializes in Bendix/Thor machines. He offered me a complete identical machine - free! Its drum spider assembly (axle and four arms which connect the drum to the axle)has corroded and snapped.

The question is, is this an Antonio Merloni machine? It is very similar to Eurotech machines sold here, and looks like a Servis I saw once, too.

Thanks

Chris

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Hi Chris,
Yes indeed that is a Merloni machine or Indesit Company as it likes to be called these days. Unfortunately they are not at all reliable, I must say I have never seen a drum spider so badly corroded no wonder it snapped. You can find the same mechanicals in Servis branded washers in the UK.

All the best.
Hugh
 
Front Loader Bearings

Hi Steve,
It is not so much the bearings are the problem it's the bearing water seals; most bearings fail as a result of water contamination but the quality of the bearing does play a part in premature failure, cheap bearings will wear allowing play in the drum shaft which in turn causes the seal to fail.

All the best.
Hugh
 
Cheaper machines...

Hi all.

I was always under the impression that if the drum rocks back and forth, the bearings were finished. My AEG drum moves but apparently, this is a new type of bearing.

I was always put off from buying a washer with a spin of over 1000rpm due to the fact that the bearings would go very quickly, however, with the more TOL appliances, it seems that the bearings are meant to last well over the norm!! Here's hoping that is correct

Peter
 
Hi Toggleswitch

On this machine the failure was because there is a two piece backing plate - a diecast frame which is a bearing carrier frames the back of the outer drum, and a stainless steel panel which covers inside the frame. The centre of the panel is a hole the shaft passes through. There is a round rubber seal between the frame and the panel. This is pretty normal construction but instead of bolts or rivets holding them together (normal) this machine has moulded in lugs which are part of the frame but poke through the plate and after assembly are pressed to form "rivets" which hold the plate in place. Trouble is, it is a diecast piece which means it is prone to corrosion from detergent residue. The lugs have corroded and the two pieces partly separated, allowing water to leak out around the bearing carrier, wet the rear bearing and it gave up. I repaired it by drilling out the lugs and using stainless steel bolts to reassemble. So the outer bearing went first, the inner seal and bearing were OK which is reverse to usual in other machines.
The spare parts machine has already had the stainless steel bolts fitted to the backing plate assembly, but now its spider is cactus so it's not worth fixing.

The bearings were originally unsealed ones made in Poland, I replaced them with sealed Japanese bearings so they should last.

I suspect the corrosion is due to using cold water washing so the detergent hasn't dissolved properly. There is a huge residue in the bottom of the drum. Aussies generally wash in cold water but the main brands of Front Loader detergent here aren't really suitable for cold water.

Spiraclean - Is this the same as a Servis? if so it is an Antonio Merloni, not the same as Indesit. There are two Merloni washing machine companies, one changed its name to Indesit and owns Hotpoint, the other, Antonio Merloni, owns Servis and Asko.

Thanks to both.

chris.
 
From the drum itself, it does look like an Antonio Merloni machine to me - give away is the 4 vane drum which Servis are (in))famous for. The dial/button arrangement is also identical to older Servis machines; albeit with different styling. So my guess would be it *is* an Antonio Merloni machine.

Hope this helps :-)

Hugh,

Remember not to get confused between the two Merlonis - Antonio Merloni make Servis and Asko at the opposite ends of the markets, and Indesit/Ariston/Hotpoint is made by the now-Indesit Company :-).

Take care,

Jon
 
Yow!, is that arrangement of bearing & shaft used on *all* modern FLs? That is, is the drum supported entirely on the rear shaft? (I had thought there would also be bearings at the front, under the opening where the door is or something of that nature.)

That rear shaft & bearing arrangement looks like what you find on a portable cement mixer, and those in turn are designed to operate on an inclined axis like a Maytag Neptune but a bit steeper of an incline. Not on a horizontal axis. And while it's true that a load of concrete weighs a good bit more than a load of laundry, what's important is the pounding that the bearings take when material is lifted to the top and dropped to the bottom again & again & again. That's a lot of leverage repetitively applied to a rotating shaft and the bearings it runs in.

Seems to me that in a horizontal axis washer, the best arrangement is a shaft & bearing on each end of the drum, as you find in the Staber; and you load through a hatch on side of the drum that lines up with the top door on the washer when the drum stops. This may be a factor in the legendary longevity of Staber washers. Now turn the drum around so its axis of rotation is opposite that of a normal FL, and you can put the hatch on the front or on an inclined panel, or wherever is ergonomically optimal. (And if only they'd make it with a window in the door so you could observe what was going on in there...)
 
Chris,

Servis washers are infamous in the sense that they are the only 5 kilo washing machine on the market which have 4 paddles instead of 3 - that is a big clue as far as they go, especially when trying to identify them as they come up under different guises.

Hope this cleared it up :-)

Jon
 
Merloni 4 Paddle Drum

Hi Jon,
Regarding the 4 paddle drum I can only go by my own experience of this design which was indeed first produced by Merloni Electrodomestica or Indesit Company as it now called. I have owned one of these machines for the past eighteen years, no doubt the design has since changed ownership. What age were you in 1987 when I first bought my 4 paddle washer?

All the best.
Hugh
 
Hugh,

What machine did you own from Merloni Elettrodomestici?

I was wrong about this machine I guess, I didn't pay any attention to the number of paddles in the drum. I thought I recognized the door as an Ariston one. Seems to me it is indeed an Antonio Merloni machine. Still not 100% sure though. LOL

Louis
 
Hi Louis,
The one I bought in 1987 was a Thor 820; the Thor brand at that time was owned by Merloni Electrodomestica as was Ariston and Indesit. I also have a Philco Bendix Autowasher 800 which uses the same cabinet, tub, drum and motor, the Bendix model however has a 2300 Watt heater as opposed to the 1850 Watt heater in the Thor, the Philco Bendix machine also has a different timer and vastly superior true thermostatic wash cycles (Temperature was time controlled above 30ºC in the Thor). It is confusing though as this design has appeared wearing many different fascias and badges over the years and always budget machines, truthfully I don't know who owns the rights to this design now.

All the best.
Hugh
 
Just to add to the confusion - I was under the impression that Philco was not part of either of the Merloni groups, but was independent - Philco Italia was the company name, they made Bendix and Thor. Here in Aus Bendix and Thor were clones, then Bendix Australia almost disappeared as Philco ceased making washing machines and they started sourcing machines form elsewhere - apparently one of the Merlonis... In New Zealand they were sold as Philco brand, not Bendix or Thor.

Chris.
 
Philco Bendix

Hi Chris,
You are correct Philco was never to my knowledge owned by either of the two Merloni companies. I use the term Philco Bendix as my 4 paddle Bendix was made prior to the Bendix brand being acquired by Electrolux group, at that time the Bendix brand in the UK was owned by Thorn EMI. Only two UK Bendix washers were of the 4 paddle design the Bendix Autowasher (500 RPM spin speed) and the Bendix Autowasher 800, all remaining Bendix models were made in Italy by Philco.
I hope this clarifies things a bit.

All the best.
Hugh
 

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