Thor W/D Combo In MI
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It might say "three years old"
but it looks mightly like an Indesit (merloni) to me, and from the 1990s at that, so more like 20 years old (which is good going) if it is like its European cousins
Al
but it looks mightly like an Indesit (merloni) to me, and from the 1990s at that, so more like 20 years old (which is good going) if it is like its European cousins
Al
I'm with you
On that one Al in fact it may be early 90's as thats in the same range as the Omega and I worked on those back in 94.
Austin
On that one Al in fact it may be early 90's as thats in the same range as the Omega and I worked on those back in 94.
Austin
Indesit
Yes definately more than 3 years, more like 23...not bad machines if you got a good one and were an occasional user of the dryer...cant imagine how long the dry would be on 110v...
Is that a Malber dryer beside it??
To Laundress and all, any chance of putting all these finds in a "One Thread" say "Modern Finds" please, I for one am fed up of good threads dropping off these pages and being archived before you can get back to them and build up a history of knowledge on them, just a thought not a rant...xx
Yes definately more than 3 years, more like 23...not bad machines if you got a good one and were an occasional user of the dryer...cant imagine how long the dry would be on 110v...
Is that a Malber dryer beside it??
To Laundress and all, any chance of putting all these finds in a "One Thread" say "Modern Finds" please, I for one am fed up of good threads dropping off these pages and being archived before you can get back to them and build up a history of knowledge on them, just a thought not a rant...xx
I did make a thread for that purpose...
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<span style="font-size: medium;">But most chose to make their own threads. Oh well, I tried. </span>
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<span style="font-size: medium;">But most chose to make their own threads. Oh well, I tried. </span>
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Could the machine be a Haier clone like the example below?
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Indesit might have sold, like already did, the old production line to the Chinese.
I had thought that all of the Thor combos were Chinese made, but maybe not. Ratings on this class of appliances at That Home Site were not good due to capacity and 110 volt operation. They seemed to do better as just a washer; the drying was miserable. I guess that people in 2 X 4 situations who tried to have one of these were already cramped for space and having one of these tie up the sink for hours sorta got on their last nerve. One universal complaint of anyone who gave these much use was that the air circulator fan would clog with lint. Not only did it reduce air circulation to nil, but it would cause trouble for the motor that ran it. That opened up the can of worms known as service, which on these little foreign made apppliances was often done by someone who had a primary job like being a fireman and did this on the side. The plus side is that most fireman are affable fellows, but I think the expense of parts and service to preserve miserable drying performance built up frustration for owners. I think there is a member here who has or had one of the 110 volt little LG combos, as opposed to the large LG combo, who finds it better to use it just as a washer and then use a WP 24" dryer, one of the best 110 volt dryers made. Trying to run a condenser dryer on 110 volts is not a good way to start a successful appliance venture. There were some small Italian-made combos that used air flow drying. They were still slow, but not like the condenser types.
At least this owner had it plumbed in with regular connections so it was not sitting in front of his sink for many hours for each load.
At least this owner had it plumbed in with regular connections so it was not sitting in front of his sink for many hours for each load.
"The plus side is that most fireman are affable fellows,
Thats what I like about this place, on a dark day there is always a quirk to make you hoot!!!
Tom, I would imagine if you used a spin x in between then the cycle could be dramatically reduced on the drying!! many of these 1000 spin machines lasted quite a bit because of the low spin..
Thats what I like about this place, on a dark day there is always a quirk to make you hoot!!!
Tom, I would imagine if you used a spin x in between then the cycle could be dramatically reduced on the drying!! many of these 1000 spin machines lasted quite a bit because of the low spin..
SpinX use
Mike, I don't know how much the water extraction would help it, but it would need all the help possible. A 110 volt dryer takes a long time to heat up. When it is a condenser, it has to get even hotter for there to be enough of a contrast in temperature between the steamy air and the cold condensing water. Doing that on 110 volts is frustrating. I think I read that the drying time is long even with the Miele combo operating on 220 volts, but that is one machine for which it is hard to find information.
I remember when I was a kid the firemen sitting outside the station would always wave back when we waved to them as we rode by and would talk with us if we walked by and spoke to them. When we visited the firehouse when I was in kindergarten, they showed us all around, but for some reason, we were not allowed to slide down the pole. They probably were afraid we would let go and fall. Then there is all of that stuff about them straddling the vibrating, throbbing high pressure fire hoses and wearing the rubber suits.
There used to be 24" 240 volt combo by the name of Splendide sold on eBay. It was made in Spain, I think, and was supposed to be faster drying. It was cold fill and heated its water. Then there was some take over and the things were no longer any good and disappeared.
Mike, I don't know how much the water extraction would help it, but it would need all the help possible. A 110 volt dryer takes a long time to heat up. When it is a condenser, it has to get even hotter for there to be enough of a contrast in temperature between the steamy air and the cold condensing water. Doing that on 110 volts is frustrating. I think I read that the drying time is long even with the Miele combo operating on 220 volts, but that is one machine for which it is hard to find information.
I remember when I was a kid the firemen sitting outside the station would always wave back when we waved to them as we rode by and would talk with us if we walked by and spoke to them. When we visited the firehouse when I was in kindergarten, they showed us all around, but for some reason, we were not allowed to slide down the pole. They probably were afraid we would let go and fall. Then there is all of that stuff about them straddling the vibrating, throbbing high pressure fire hoses and wearing the rubber suits.
There used to be 24" 240 volt combo by the name of Splendide sold on eBay. It was made in Spain, I think, and was supposed to be faster drying. It was cold fill and heated its water. Then there was some take over and the things were no longer any good and disappeared.
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I must say, using a combo W/D as my daily driver that even on 230V those machine take quite a long time to dry a load.
The Candy Alisè 16WD I use takes around 90 minutes to dry a 2,5 kg load spun at 570 rpm. If I were to spin it in a faster machine (like 1200 rpm) the dry time is cut by 30 minutes at least, the heaters are 750+680W (1430W! So I guess it's the same wattage as on 110 volts machines). Even more modern combos use similar powered heaters, so the lessened dry times are only due to quicker spins.
Anyway I measured the water use while drying, it goes at exactly 1 litre every 100 seconds (36 litres per hour).
But I must say that I LOVE the ability to dry things when I need it!
The Candy Alisè 16WD I use takes around 90 minutes to dry a 2,5 kg load spun at 570 rpm. If I were to spin it in a faster machine (like 1200 rpm) the dry time is cut by 30 minutes at least, the heaters are 750+680W (1430W! So I guess it's the same wattage as on 110 volts machines). Even more modern combos use similar powered heaters, so the lessened dry times are only due to quicker spins.
Anyway I measured the water use while drying, it goes at exactly 1 litre every 100 seconds (36 litres per hour).
But I must say that I LOVE the ability to dry things when I need it!
IIRC
Thor was brought to these shores by the same company that sold "Quietline" and perhaps "Splendide". What they did was simply purchase the rights to the brand name and began slapping it onto these combo units.
Cannot remember if this was the same outfit that also sold/distributed Equator laundry appliaces as well. But do think these early incarnations were Merloni machines but which branch of that family cannot be sure.
In NY and the Northeast Malber and Equator pretty much battled it out for the compact combo, washer and dryer units. Had a Malber front loader and it was a decent enough machine. IIRC inside the drain cover said something about "COPA Switzerland". None of these machines offered internal heaters for the wash cycle, but again found performance wasn't bad, especially if one did a cool prewash before the main cycle. It also helped had the unit close enough to the taps to keep down temp loss and hot water was 120F or higher.
Sold mine on when the Miele was purchased. Truth to tell the cold water inlet valve began to go and didn't want to bother with repair.
MalberUSA then and now for all one knows had it's own repair service. Don't know what the guy's other employment was (if any), but came out once to install the machine (took off the dreadful casters one could purchase then to make the unit "portable") and smoothed a few other things out.
Yes, condenser drying with these units was not that great. Many persons did eventually give up on that and purchased a small compact dryer. In NYC and elsewhere one supposes laundry appliances were forbidden the benefit of the condenser dryer was not having to shove vent hose out the window. On cold NYC days that wafting stream of steam out a window or vent is a dead giveway to a clothes dryer being used. *LOL*
Am surprised to hear condenser dryers in the EU run at 1400 watts or so. Miele's condenser dryers sold here are around 3000w.
Thor was brought to these shores by the same company that sold "Quietline" and perhaps "Splendide". What they did was simply purchase the rights to the brand name and began slapping it onto these combo units.
Cannot remember if this was the same outfit that also sold/distributed Equator laundry appliaces as well. But do think these early incarnations were Merloni machines but which branch of that family cannot be sure.
In NY and the Northeast Malber and Equator pretty much battled it out for the compact combo, washer and dryer units. Had a Malber front loader and it was a decent enough machine. IIRC inside the drain cover said something about "COPA Switzerland". None of these machines offered internal heaters for the wash cycle, but again found performance wasn't bad, especially if one did a cool prewash before the main cycle. It also helped had the unit close enough to the taps to keep down temp loss and hot water was 120F or higher.
Sold mine on when the Miele was purchased. Truth to tell the cold water inlet valve began to go and didn't want to bother with repair.
MalberUSA then and now for all one knows had it's own repair service. Don't know what the guy's other employment was (if any), but came out once to install the machine (took off the dreadful casters one could purchase then to make the unit "portable") and smoothed a few other things out.
Yes, condenser drying with these units was not that great. Many persons did eventually give up on that and purchased a small compact dryer. In NYC and elsewhere one supposes laundry appliances were forbidden the benefit of the condenser dryer was not having to shove vent hose out the window. On cold NYC days that wafting stream of steam out a window or vent is a dead giveway to a clothes dryer being used. *LOL*
Am surprised to hear condenser dryers in the EU run at 1400 watts or so. Miele's condenser dryers sold here are around 3000w.
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Am surprised to hear condenser dryers in the EU run at 1400
Indeed they are!
I was just talking about combined appliances, a regular dryer has around 2500/2700W of heating power or a heat pump of 900/1200W which is roughly the same in heating capacity.
One should keep in mind that a washer/dryer isn't meant to dry every load it washes, otherwise, unless space comes into account, one is better with separate appliances.
Indeed they are!
I was just talking about combined appliances, a regular dryer has around 2500/2700W of heating power or a heat pump of 900/1200W which is roughly the same in heating capacity.
One should keep in mind that a washer/dryer isn't meant to dry every load it washes, otherwise, unless space comes into account, one is better with separate appliances.
Washer Dryers
Many of family and friends have washer dryers due to lack of space rather than convenience, but all get good results with them, I had the second series Hotpoint washer dryer the 9920, 1000rpm spin, great washer and a very fast fast dryer, dried a half load of cottons in 45 mins....
My sister has the new Hotpoint WD960, 1600rpm spin , 7kg wash, with its fast spin and the Thermal Spin whilst spinning and Spinning for extraction whilst drying it really does help the time process but more economical than the earlier models because the wattage is dryer lower!!
Other sister has the Zanussi ZWD14070 1400spin , 7kg and again a good dryer, again they use there machines when a load of washing builds etc so it will be used every couple of days...
The hottest washer dryers where made by Miele and AEG in the 70`s there dryers would dry in half the time of others on the market, when first introduced we had many a complaint where lightweight fabrics had been dried on the cottons setting and the clothes had scorched and melted!!! They where that hot you could literally bake cakes in them!!
Many of family and friends have washer dryers due to lack of space rather than convenience, but all get good results with them, I had the second series Hotpoint washer dryer the 9920, 1000rpm spin, great washer and a very fast fast dryer, dried a half load of cottons in 45 mins....
My sister has the new Hotpoint WD960, 1600rpm spin , 7kg wash, with its fast spin and the Thermal Spin whilst spinning and Spinning for extraction whilst drying it really does help the time process but more economical than the earlier models because the wattage is dryer lower!!
Other sister has the Zanussi ZWD14070 1400spin , 7kg and again a good dryer, again they use there machines when a load of washing builds etc so it will be used every couple of days...
The hottest washer dryers where made by Miele and AEG in the 70`s there dryers would dry in half the time of others on the market, when first introduced we had many a complaint where lightweight fabrics had been dried on the cottons setting and the clothes had scorched and melted!!! They where that hot you could literally bake cakes in them!!
AEG washer dryer
My ex sister in law had one and she managed to melt quite a lot of her boys nylon pj's
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We called it the "Oven" due to not only its heat but it had a drop down door like one too.
Austin
My ex sister in law had one and she managed to melt quite a lot of her boys nylon pj's
)We called it the "Oven" due to not only its heat but it had a drop down door like one too.
Austin
Heating during spinning
Some of the early US combos turned on the heating element during the "spin" period before drying began on the normal fabrics cycle or when set for the normal dry cycle. Lighter weight synthetics did not need this and were not subject to heat during spins. These were usually the condensor types with the heating element in the outer tub to provide broiler style drying. The first 29" WP-made combos with the transmission that allowed the blower to operate during the whole cycle, spun at 500 rpm and had a centrifugal lint separator, cycled on the heat in both gas and electric models during the final spin.
I can't remember if it was GE or Maytag that said the heat helped the water extraction. It was actually helped by relaxing the fabrics, allowing them to pack tighter so more water could be squeezed out of them at those rip roaring spin speeds, but I think they gave some other reason like reduced surface tension of the water. In essence, it also gave a head start on heating up the machine and the load for drying. GE also helped the heating process with the rinse water temperatures. When set for a hot wash, the three rinses were: 1st cold, 2nd warm and 3rd hot. A warm wash gave all warm rinses. If you had a gas water heater, it was cheaper and faster to heat up the load with hot water than with electricity.
Mike, Does Miele still market a combo?
Some of the early US combos turned on the heating element during the "spin" period before drying began on the normal fabrics cycle or when set for the normal dry cycle. Lighter weight synthetics did not need this and were not subject to heat during spins. These were usually the condensor types with the heating element in the outer tub to provide broiler style drying. The first 29" WP-made combos with the transmission that allowed the blower to operate during the whole cycle, spun at 500 rpm and had a centrifugal lint separator, cycled on the heat in both gas and electric models during the final spin.
I can't remember if it was GE or Maytag that said the heat helped the water extraction. It was actually helped by relaxing the fabrics, allowing them to pack tighter so more water could be squeezed out of them at those rip roaring spin speeds, but I think they gave some other reason like reduced surface tension of the water. In essence, it also gave a head start on heating up the machine and the load for drying. GE also helped the heating process with the rinse water temperatures. When set for a hot wash, the three rinses were: 1st cold, 2nd warm and 3rd hot. A warm wash gave all warm rinses. If you had a gas water heater, it was cheaper and faster to heat up the load with hot water than with electricity.
Mike, Does Miele still market a combo?
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Miele combo, still made
Yup, they're still made! Small capacity and outrageously expensive, I wouldn't buy one!
Here's the link:
Yup, they're still made! Small capacity and outrageously expensive, I wouldn't buy one!
Here's the link:
Stiratrici - Acquista ora Stiratrici Miele online in Italia
Stiratrici Miele: ✓ Direttamente dal produttore ✓ Qualità Miele e lunga durata ➤ Acquista ora Stiratrici
www.miele.it
Thank you Gabriele.
