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"This is the cop who arrested Craig"

Well NO WONDER. Who could resist THAT bait? I'd be tapping my feet (ruby slippers) too ... and NOT to get back to Kansas, hahahahaha!!!
 
can't wait until 2008

We can hope, but if Bush and Cheney actually manage to start
a REAL war with Iran - how many Americans are going to fall
back into line?
 
goprog~

to fund a war, it requires Congress to approve..There is NO WAY Pelosi and Reid will jump in that hole.
Bush and Cheney have ZERO credibility with 75% of Americans. The other 25% are a lost cause or have their heads buried in the sand. In Iraq, that is...
 
If you give someone enough rope, perhaps they will hang them

The problem with this is that there is no precedent set. By
allowing the current adminitstration to get away with what they
are doing, it means a future administration can point back to
it and say it is "accepted practice". Now maybe the Dems are
thinking in the back of their mind that they want to be able
to wield that same sort of unitary executive power. And then
when they are out of power, it will have been reinforced and
who knows what we'll get - from either. This administration
has to be impeached/tried now to declare there are limits in
the constitution and they will be enforced. The fact the Dems
are NOT doing their job (except for a few) is probably the main
reason their approval ratings are down.

Gonzales and Rove are happy about Craig. It takes the
spotlight off them.
 
goprog~

You have raised some very accurate points. However, The Democrats are not stupid. Sad as it seems, the majority of Americans don't want Bush and Co impeached.
Personally, I think he, Cheney,Rumsfeld, the whole lot of them belong in jail.
What Americans do want is an end to the Iraq war,but the majorities in the House and Senate are too narrow, so in reality it is difficult for the Dems to get alot accomplished. They actually need Republicans to defect to defund the war.
My guess is the closer we get to the 2008 election, you are going to see many Republicans defect and side with the Dems.
 
HERE IS WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND!?

Plenty of people have their itches to scratch,and do it in a way that keeps dignity and discretion, if they choose, confidential. Gay or straight, people have affairs, the poorer we are, probably the less discreet we can be, but class and money should have it's privlideges and money should prevent you from soliciting sex in a bathroom in an airport.

I just can't understand how multi million dollar movie stars get arrested for DWI when they can afford limosines and drivers, and the entire limosine company to buy if they wish,and Politicians dont just hire a hooker, or another movie star to have sex with them. Also, people who want discreet sex who have money who are Senators or Singers dont need to go to public bathrooms to get off. Get your assistant to hire a trick, turn it over to you. It's so silly. This guy gives gay sex and toilet stall footsies a bad name. Next thing, he will probably say he was drunk and go into re-hab and give alcohol a bad name. Thats a Republican for you: The two faces of EVIL.
 
~sudshane

What you're really saying is that the Democrats can't find 40
(or 41) senators to sustain a filibuster to stop a war-funding
bill from passing. They don't need to pass a law to stop
the funding, they simply need to prevent a law from passing
that continues the funding. A far lower bar than overriding a
filibuster or overriding a veto - and should be achievable if
some of them weren't Republicans in disguise - just like Norm
Coleman seems to have been when he was a "Democrat"
way-back-when.

The point is Bush will say he doesn't need additional approval
of Congress to attack Iran. He will simply say he is acting
as commander-in-chief during the "War (Occupation) on Terror"
and defending the troops. If he has already started the war
under his assumed title and Iran fights back, then how many
pols in Congress will resist (besides Kucinich and the select
few?)

Perhaps it would be easier if there was a single source of
corruption/criminal activity like Nixon, but when you are
being overwhelmed with corruption on all sides and people are
resigning, resisting, and spinning from all directions, it
is hard to find a place to attack (defend) when you're
being overrun. Which problem do you turn your back on for
the moment?
 
majority of Americans don't want Bush and Co impeached

And I think you are slightly mistaken. I think the polls say
a slight majority (54% ?) of Americans want Cheney impeached.
Bush is still only in the high-40's range, but Nixon was less
than that I think until the actual investigations started and
the truth came out.
 
how multi million dollar movie stars get arrested for DWI

Cause they are STUPID???

Well known that too much alcohol doesn't generally make one smarter or act more responsibly. Perhaps Larry Craig was blitzed from the little likker bottles on his flight into Minnie. It's not like it would be hard to believe, but he probably didn't want to admit to being intoxicated on top of everything else.

I was thinking that in some cases (Brittney Spears) too much wealth and fame too fast leads to inability to cope with the many changes. It's like she thinks she still lives in a trailer park or something. Paris Hilton has no such excuse - just STUPID in that one. Nick Nolte, Mel Gibson, David Hasselhof: just plain dumb drunks.

Probably not so easy to just tell your assistant to book a few hookers, strippers or male dancers or giraffs or whatever. Assistants talk - to each other, I gather. Somebody is bound to spill the beans sooner or later. But probably still preferable to getting arrested in a public restroom.

I guess Merv Griffen - another staunch Republican - never had a chance to give Larry Craig a few pointers on how to be married, closeted, have a good time, and stay out of jail. LOL.
 
It all comes back to - Me Thinks He Doth Protest Too Much

I ran across this link as I was preparing my post. Synchronicity.

I think it's incredibly sad that we--as a gay community--are often our own worst enemies.

In reply to the person who wrote "The media has field days when a conservative Republican screws up," alluding to the mythical "liberal" media.

To whom are you referring on neoconservative Rupert Murdoch's Fox "spin" team? Bill O'Reilly, John Gibson, Shepard Smith (talk about a closet case... ok, I admit that was mean spirited.)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/29/103846/267
 
Mythical liberal media is right.

How many of the liberal media questioned the invasion of Iraq?

Remember Dan Rather? Basically forced to retire. Not because
the facts (facts, what facts? says Faux News) were wrong, but
because the person giving him information could not prove HIS
version of the facts. The facts were still correct, it's the
fact one source was not investigated more thoroughly that was
the problem. Double standard - WMD, Chalabi, Curveball, etc.

The first few hours of the "War", CNN's website had their
catch-phrase/log on their website - "War On Iraq". A few
hours later they changed it to "War In Iraq". I know, I
saved both images. I have the evidence. Spin, spin, spin.
I preferred the days when it was "Turn, turn, turn".

Phil Donahue's show on MSNBC was cancelled because he did
not toe the administration's line. At least we now have
Keith Olbermann. Too popular (or is it the attitude?) for
the money-hungry media to cancel now?
 


Tonight I actually felt a twinge of sadness for this man Larry Craig.

Imagine what a tortured life he has led. 60-some years of age and having been hiding this awful, terrible, vile, yet irresistible secret from the whole world, a secret that he loathed and despised so greatly -- even as he allowed it to consummate him -- that the only way he could acknowledge its presence was to bring it down to the lowest level he could -- wallowing in the stench and filth of a public toilet.

Imagine, really, the agonizing, anguished psychic pain he has been suffering under for probably his entire life. (Rumors to the contrary, an adult doesn't just suddenly wake up one morning and decide to embrace "The Gay Lifestyle.")

I truly felt deep sadness for this poor, tormented man and wished it did not have to be so for him.

But then the image of Matthew Shepherd's mangled and broken body strewn across that wooden fence in the cold, dark, lonely Montana night flashed into my mind and rudely intruded into my sadness for Senator Craig.

Matthew, too, suffered a terrible fate because of rabid, hate-infused, repressed homosexual passion. Only in his case it was not HIS own homosexual loathing that brought him not just public humiliation but indeed straight to death's door: It was the twisted, burning hatred of homophobic (ergo latent homosexual) psychopaths who dragged him, kicking and screaming, to his death. They literally tore the life out of his tortured body.

And that image to me is far more grievous and gut-wrenching than some pathetic, horny old man sitting on the piddle-pot with his trousers around his bony ankles and tapping his foot, hoping to entice the handsome young man in the next stall. Who just happened to be an undercover vice officer. Drat the luck.

As I said, the blood and suffering of the many Matthew Shepherds are on the hands of the many Larry Craigs who tacitly endorse hate crimes against gays by boldly and with great rancor speaking out against "the iniquity of homosexuality" -- pointing at homosexuals and calling them vile, evil, immoral and intolerable. And who also tacitly endorse hate crimes against gays by their incessant, shrill insistence that gays are less-than citizens and thus unentitled to equal rights, equal status and equal tolerance.

Then the very minute these pathetic hypocrites can scuttle out of the limelight and back into the darkness of their secret lives, they are leering through the cracks in the doors of public men's rooms, fervently hoping for the chance to indulge in the very "debased acts of iniquity" that they were just railing against in their churches, their meeting rooms, their congressional chambers, and their courts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard
 
I cannot muster up any sympathy for Larry Craig or any other of his ilk, I can find sympathy for those who hide their sexuality and DON'T defame the rest of us in order to take suspicion away from themselves. And Matthew Shepherd---hope the killers are getting theirs.
 
OMG I Love This

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This is one of the many reasons why I moved to Minneapolis 12 years ago and love living here, all the hot blonde waspy Minnesota and Iowa boys (which is my weakness) LOL. Of course if he made advances at me in a public bathroom I still would be discussed and maybe a bit amused (ok maybe more than a bit) but that's all that would happen!
 
I still would be discussed

Whoops LOL, when I said "discussed" in my post above, I meant "Disgusted". Freudian slip maybe? A little too quick with the spell checker can be dangerous.
 
disgusted

That's exactly what I am.

Seems like all a lot of you fellas want to talk about is tragedy and embarrassing other people. Hypothesising and conjecturing about things that are really none of our business.

This is too far off topic, and I think maybe if you want to start a political rant website, that maybe you should, but to put this kind of crap into our vintage machine club is out of line.

And again, it is so typical for many of you to be posting under these circumstances but never have a decent thing to say otherwise.

Yes - Gay people are their own worst enemies.

Now could we please mind our own business and get back to restoring vintage machinery? Mixers, blendors, whatever, but not other peoples personal business? Huh?

Bob
 
Re: What I want to know is:

I don't think this was suppose to be a "Glamour Shot" picture!
This is very ricky behavior, but I think for some of these men, it is the very thought they might get caught or being watch that excites them. As my mother would have said, men think with the head betwen their legs, not the head between their ears! Why don't they put a large notice in this Mens
room that states "your behavior is being watch by the undercover police"? Would this be good deterrent?
 
Methinks the "No loitering, under penalty of law" signs suffice, and in and of itself speaks volumes.

I think beyond the senator being "out of season" at his age, the older get desperate and forget (how to) to be discreet and how to take "NO" for an answer. You can be reasonably sure he was not in there for 5 minutes or less.

Speaking of denial, a friend of mine saw himself on TV (Sitting next to his partner) and asked out loud who was the "OLD MAN" next to his partner. It was HIM. Accurate self-image seems to fade as one matures as well. Hell, I still try to believe I'm fabulous-looking depsite all evidence to the contrary.

(ducks and runs).
 
What New Yorkers know about Rudy....

Wow- How exciting! America's mayor is trailing in his home state! Fact is, New Yorkers know Rudy for the arrogant,self serving,philanderer that he is..

Now it is time for the rest of America to catch on..

New York: Clinton Dominates Giuliani

Tuesday, August 28, 2007

In a race between two New York politicians, New York voters stay with the party line and prefer Hillary Clinton over Rudy Giuliani by a twenty-five point margin, 58% to 33%.

The former first lady is viewed favorably by 68% of New York voters, while America’s Mayor is viewed favorably by 47%.

Voters are a lot tougher when grading the job performance of President Bush. Just 26% of Empire State voters say the President is doing a good or an excellent job while 61% say he is doing a poor job. Governor Elliot Spitzer earns good or excellent reviews from 45% and poor marks from 17%.

Clinton has consistently led all Democrats in the top Presidential Tracking Polls. Giuliani has held a less comfortable lead on the Republican side. It’s becoming more and more clear that reporters have been missing what matters in the race for the GOP nomination.

The survey also found that just 36% of New Yorkers want Michael Bloomberg to run for President but 57% think it would be good for the state if the next President comes from New York.

Thirty-eight percent (38%) name the War on Terror as the top issue of Election 2008 while 23% name the economy. Democrats are evenly divided between the two while Republicans overwhelmingly see the War on Terror as more important.

New York voters narrowly prefer Clinton over Giuliani when it comes to handling the War on Terror, and unaffiliated voters being more comfortable with Clinton.

On state issues, just 25% say that state and local political leaders are doing a good or excellent job with the state’s bridges and infrastructure issues.

The survey was conducted in partnership with Fox Television Stations, Inc.


In Primary Polls, Clinton leads all Democrats in New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Florida.

The Republican Primary picture is more muddled. Romney leads in New Hampshire, Thompson leads in South Carolina, and Giuliani is on top in Florida.
 
Bob, I think it is our business - he's an elected official, a public figure, and now a proven hypocrite. This crap affects all of us, gay, straight or otherwise, whether anyone cares to admit that or not. As far as embarrassing other people, he embarrassed himself, and his family, and the people he serves. No one did it for him.
 
Bob~

if this thread botheres you so much,Why bother responding?

Secondly, I don't agree that ALL gay people are their worst enemy. There are MANY gay men and women who lead,happy, fulfilling and functional lives..I, being one of them.
 
happy fulfilling and functional

I think that's all a matter of perspective. I think mine is too, but I'm sure opinions vary.

What I'm saying is, why do people get so excited over things over which they have no control? Isn't this really personal?

And Shane - you're a perfect example. You're quick to jump on me for not having a popular opinion, but very slow to say, gee - what lovely cakes, or cool turntables, or whatever.

That's EXACTLY my point. Quit being such drama queens and get on with supporting your fellow collectors on a positive note.

Thanks for shitting right on me, again.

Bob
 
So are we allowed to talk about Presidential candidates at all? I mentioned my favorite, D_______ K_________ once and the thread disappeared. I also don't like the way he gets the networks treat him, with ABC giving him the Joan Crawford treatment.

I wonder what Senator Craig said to the officers in the police car on the way to the police station. When George Michael said "Don't you remember me, I'm with WHAM!" I don't think they even remembered.

Also, the Enquirer article at the time was titled "Zip Me Up Before You GoGo"!
 
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