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Why do we even need suds? Marketing gimmick is all the suds are. Suds don't contribute to the cleaning. It's a holdover from ancient times (the time of my youth....the 1950's). I'd like to be able to buy a good detergent with no suds...end of problems.
 
In my Grandmother's/Mother's time

When they used soap, suds was a way of telling you had enough in the water to do the cleaning job. When detergents came along, they wanted to see suds; so the manufacturers added Sodium Laureth Sulfate (like in shampoo) to give you a good tub of suds.

I bought Tide Turbo the last time, did a load of towels in hot last night, no suds at all.
 
I've never understood the big deal behind suds in the first place. Even as a kid, when I'd see suds in the washer, it meant to me that the actual detergent was floating on top of the water and not even touching the clothes down under the water where it needed to be. After moving away from home and from the Maytag Atlantis that would cause terrible suds because of the pump running in reverse frothing air up into the tub, I was relieved that the Whirlpool 4800 would barely suds at all, and clothes felt cleaner and rinsed better. Not that the Atlantis was a bad machine in any aspect, and it's still running flawlessly at my father-in-law's, but I had always wished they could have designed a pump that would run "neutral" when the motor turned in the agitate direction.
 
It's worth mentioning..

That Surfactants, generally do clean better under a frothy/suds environment. The suds, help suspend and grab loose grease & oil from fabrics and hold them in suspension. 

 

 
 
Don't Believe Me?

Prove it to yourself. 

 

Fill up a large see-through clear Glad container, with a squirt of Dawn dish liquid, and allow the suds to fill up for a few inches. Than... drop a spoon covered in Vegetable Oil... through the suds, and watch what happens. 

 

You'll notice instantly, that the suds attract the grease.. and begin lifting the grease away. Suspending It & trapping the grease into the suds.  This is the exact same thing that happens in your washer. The suds grab onto grease & oils, lifting them away, and trapping them.

 

Suds do Clean. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">And I hate to break/burst anyone's bubble. But...</span>

 

Just because you don't see Suds in your rinse water, doesn't mean a fabric is completely rinsed. 

 

Example - Use a whole cup of washing soda, without detergent in a wash cycle. You'll notice ZERO suds, and the rinse water will seem very clean. However... If you only did (1) rinse cycle... and tossed everything into the dryer. You'd immediately notice, while unloading, just how stiff everything is. 
 
suds

Suds suspend oil and dirt from hard surfaces which is important for them. Especially for washing a dirty automobile.

It does not do that for fabrics. Suds will cling to fabrics.

Wash liquor flowing in and out is what lifts and cleans dirt from fibers.  The greater the amount of flowing wash liquor the cleaner the clothes.

 

Surfactants, at the right concentration, held in suspension will hold dirt and oils in suspension so that they can be drained away from the clothes. Here is where people are having trouble today with "he" detergents, they cut back the dose to limit sudsing, but that doesn't allow enough surfactant in the mix to hold and suspend dirt away from clothes after lifting it off of them. Its a fine balance to have enough surfactants in the water to do both jobs, lift soils and keep them away from clothes till drain time.

If you see suds residue clinging to clothes at the end of a cycle then the clothes aren't clean.

 

See the "Sinner's Circle" for more information on cleaning clothes.
 
I saw another TV ad for this with the message that TIDE HE Turbo makes your washer finish in less time so washing is faster with Tide HE Turbo. They do not come out and state that previous HE formulations' frothy suds delayed the machine's cycle, but it is what they mean, in a round about way.
 
Years ago, suds DID mean better cleaning performance. Today, because of the advancements in detergent formulas, it isn't really the case anymore.

The idea behind detergent -without- suds is that the formula is 100% in the water that is flowing through the fabrics, not suspended above them or around them, and even worse, stuck to the drum and in the outer tub. It's not doing any good if it's just hanging around not even touching your clothes. The surfactants and conditioners in new detergents are designed to break soils loose and actually surround the fibers of your clothing, as well as surround the dirt molecules so that they cannot reattach. Yes, the soil may not be suspended away from your clothing, but it also has a very difficult time latching back on. Furthermore, the idea of suds in a front-loading machine are very counter-productive when looked at it from that perspective; even if there are suds, the clothes are being rolled through and over the suds, so that dirt is still being folded and tumbled through the dirt that would be "suspended" anyway. The only way suds could be useful in laundry would be in a conventional top-loading machine, where the clothes are moving around under the water and the layer of suds is riding on top, not being mixed back down. My only thoughts when seeing a layer of foam is "look at all that detergent riding on top of the water that COULD be flowing through the fibers of my laundry".

The analogy of suds being required when washing a car is a good one, but keep in mind that your car's surfaces are stationary, and are not porous at all. In that case, yes, the suds are required to keep dirt away from the surface so that they flush away when sprayed off.

To me, a dishwasher is a prime example of why suds will hinder performance. The machine itself cannot perform adequately if suds are present because the air trapped in the bubbles will suffocate the pump. Despite there being no sudsing, dishes come out spotless because the surfactants in the detergent help to break the soil away from the surfaces of your dishes, and coat the dirt molecules so that they cannot reattach. The absence of suds allows the water to drain smoothly off the dishware and also down the tub's surfaces and out of the machine, so that the dishwasher can extract as much as it can before refilling for the rinse. I see this concept being the same for laundry machines. Suds only result in detergent and soil being stuck on the interior surfaces of the machine during the first spin, not to mention the clothes themselves. If the water is properly conditioned with the detergent, the machine can extract and drain more of the actual detergent away itself, leaving much less to require needing rinsed out.
 
My chance to try Tide HE Turbo has arrived!

Rite Aid drug stores have a sale flyer out that shows TIDE liquid 46-50 OZ will be on sale starting Sunday 6-28, buy one get one free. I went and checked yesterday and they have Mountain Fresh which smelled best, and Regular in the 32 load size as well as formulations with bleach alternative, with Febreeze and with Downy in 24 load size in the same size bottle, all for $9.99 so I plan to go tomorrow to get the Mountain Fresh. The local Grocery has Tide on sale with the same size bottle priced at $5.99 so Rite Aid wins my money. This is for my big test of towel laundering in the SQ FL.
 
Wow, Tom, I'm surprised at your poor results with Turbo. I use it on loads of bath towels with no sudsing issues, especially if I use bleach and add a third rinse. And I have softened water, too. I dose only to the 1st line for towels, though. How much did you use?
 
Eugene, Thanks for your interest.

I used to the second line because the load consisted of 5 bath sheets each 3.5 X 6.5 feet in size so it's a large load and the machine fills for a very long time. I saw hardly any suds in the wash in the SQ, but that first spin period whipped up so many suds that the first rinse did not even fill because the water level pressure switch was satisfied. I added water to both rinses and let it go through two rinses and the spin. I set it for another rinse and spin and even the third rinse had suds sitting on the boot after it drained.

Maybe the powder TIDE HE turbo will do better, but I really don't need to buy a big box of that now. I have the Persil which performs very well.
 
Don't care what the lines in cap say

Never, ever, ever use more than about one tablespoon of Tide liquids. Just at or a bit under "1" line in the cap.

Am working my way through a bottle of Tide HE regular liquid (given by a neighbor who was moving) and have found at that level the stuff cleans well and barely leaves any scent. Best of all it rinses cleanly. Find the same with Tide "free and clear" liquid.

Terry cloth items in particular are known for whipping up froth, so you want to watch out there.
 

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