Tide or Gain Non-HE Detergent?

[blockeight88]

Where is the non-HE detergent? I can't seem to find anything but HE, expect walmart, but I'm not sure if this has the old original formula that would suds more.
Also what's up with the dousing instructions on these HE detergents? They want you to fill to line 1 for a "medium load", line 3 for a large load, then line 5 for an "HE full load". Not sure I understand makes a full HE load. Ultimately, I am just looking for non-HE tide or Gain.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Tide-Original-Non-HE-Liquid-Laundry-Detergent-100-Fl-Oz-64-loads/19406216

 

[launderess]

Can't be sure, but IIRC all versions of Tide detergents sold nowadays are "HE" formulas. You may find old stock of non-HE lying about spare, but again don't know for sure if P&G still makes non-HE laundry detergents.

Tide was heavily dinged in all sorts of reviews as front loaders and other "HE" machines started making inroads to American homes. Both liquid and powder formats were just too sudsy, creating mountains of froth. Early versions of Tide "HE" were not much better. Tried the stuff once and even with a few tablespoons came much froth, and was difficult to rinse.

That people were willing to spend far more on German detergents like Persil told P&G something I shouldn't wonder.

As federal government continues to make it clear days of water guzzling top loaders are over if not totally done, P&G had to make changes to stop Tide from slipping in sales.

Whole "HE" thing is a con, something P&G is well aware. In Europe where front loading/HE washers have long dominated there isn't such a thing as high efficacy detergents. Everything is low foaming and that's that. You can maybe find things meant for hand or tub washing, but they are niche markets.

 

[launderess]

Should have added

P&G sells Ariel in Europe and thus knows (or knew) how to make laundry detergents for "HE" washing machines. Well at least front loading sort anyway.

 

[blockeight88]

Thank you for your insight. I kind of figured they didn't make it anymore, but was thrown off by the walmart link. Do you know they stopped selling Tide non-he detergent? Was this a recent move?

 

[launderess]

It does seem regardless if "HE" is on package all versions of Tide are high efficiency.

https://tide.com/en-us/how-to-wash-clothes/washing-machine-101/how-to-use-an-he-washer

That being said just checked Walmart, and it does seem as if they sell a non HE version of Tide, so either stand corrected or P&G is pulling some sort of fast one.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Tide-Original-Non-HE-Liquid-Laundry-Detergent-100-Fl-Oz-64-loads/19406216

https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...New-Standard-in-HE-Detergents—HE-Turbo-Clean™

 

[kenwashesmonday]

line 5 for an "HE full load"

I noticed that on my current bottle of non-HE Tide liquid.  I assumed it was a typo.  I would think that HE front-load machine would choke on "line 5" worth of this detergent. 

 

[blockeight88]

I'll have to order a bottle of that non-he stuff. I wonder though how one would actually tell if it's really non-he? More suds?

 

[DADoES]

 
Premise behind the dosage for an "HE full load" is for handling the amount of soil in the maximum-capacity load of substantially dirty items.  It's very rare that anyone loads their washer to maximum capacity.

 

[tomturbomatic]

Several years ago, Tide came out with HE Turbo which was formulated to have faster decaying suds during the pauses when tumbling direction changed. That was needed because the HE formula had sort of degraded and was getting foamier. When Tide HE first came out, the side panel of the box carried endorsements from Asko, Miele, GE, Maytag Neptune, Creda, Kenmore, lots of the early HE machines. Then the endorsements vanished as the formula changed or cheapened and the product got foamier.

 

[circlew]

Has anyone tried Tide All Purpose detergent in their washer? It's intended for floors, walls, and dishes, but I don't know if it's high sudsing or not.

 

[kenwashesmonday]

I find the Tide Original non-HE liquid to have much less suds than it used to, but it still cleans up a storm in my Maytag A606.

 

[blockeight88]

Ken

So you confirm the formula slightly differs from the Standard Tide HE detergent? Did you gets your from walmart?

 

[kenwashesmonday]

We buy this at our local independent supermarket.  We always buy the big bottle with the spigot on it.  They have some with and 'HE sticker, and some without.  Since we have a conventional top loader, we buy the bottle that has no 'HE' sticker.  I imagine it would be less expensive at Walmart, but we haven't gone there since the start of the pandemic.

 

[blockeight88]

I know which bottle you are referring to. If you look at the back it says "HE full load" so I assumed it's still "HE" even though it doesn't have the HE sticker on the front of the bottle.

 

[tomturbomatic]

RE qewstion in reply #9:

Are you talking about the big box of Tide that was sold in industrial hardware, restaurant supply houses and the like? It was not made for domestic washing machines and would practically eat the porcelain off the tubs. I think there might have been a warning on the box. It was high sudsing.

 

[launderess]

Tide All Purpose Floor Cleaner

Shouldn't in the wash if I were you..

Comparing SDS between floor cleaner and laundry detergent there are some major differences.

https://media3.cleanfreak.com/documents/sds/tide-ultra-powder-laundry-detergent-143oz-boxes.pdf

http://algoma.msdsworld.com/msds/English/34109.pdf

Floor cleaner contains far more soda ash and less to nil of surfactants (anionic). This makes sense as you want something not so necessarily foamy for washing floors, walls, etc... and will either rinse cleanly if that is needed at all. Higher pH will act instead to cut grease and grime (like using ammonia for cleaning).

 

[launderess]

Basically most if not all versions of Tide liquid or powder laundry detergent start from same "mother" formula. Things are then added to create the various dozens of variations (scented, unscented, color, with or without "Downy", etc...).

Keeping that in mind it just seems natural P&G sooner or later just decided to make one formula for each of their powder or liquid laundry detergents, and that one being low foaming. This so no matter whether "HE" is on package or not, the stuff still makes far less forth than Tide of old.

Froth isn't needed for good washing. It never, ever was..... First incarnations of Tide were low sudsing. But housewives used to soap avoided the stuff in droves. So P&G reformulated Tide using higher foaming surfactants, and it was off to the races ever since.

Top loading automatic washers of old are either going way of the Dodo or soon will meet a similar fate in USA. There just isn't a need for high frothing (and poor rinsing) laundry detergents any longer.

 

[blockeight88]

Ok question: how does this bottle of tide differ from today's tide?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2651601071...rentrq:0ffc98a917c0a77d141b737efff0dfb6|iid:1

 

[launderess]

Tide never had a "color care" line per se, so those clever chops came up with Tide Total Care....

As with all Tide detergents then the stuff is loaded with OBAs, but also contains various polymers meant to protect fabrics during laundering and when worn. A nice dose of cellulase enzyme chewed off bobbles keeping things smooth looking, and thus by extension colors more vibrant. In general TTC was advertised as helping with seven (7) signs of wear.

"Dress to the Sevens every day with Tide Total Care. It goes beyond cleaning to help reveal the 7 signs of beautiful clothes: Clean, Color, Shape, Finish, Softness, Pill Prevention and Stain Fighting"

P&G would exploit this same polymer technology in Downy fabric softener version that also promised "total care" of fabrics.

Tide Total Care no longer is manufactured from what one can see. When it was things were before a time when Tide liquids were generally low froth (like now). P&G did not recommend using this product in "HE" washers, but their standard response (then) applied; to seek out a detergent clearly marked "HE".

https://pgproductsafety.com/product.../Tide_TotalCare_HE_Liquid_-_Renewing_Rain.pdf

https://www.amazon.com/Tide-Renewing-Liquid-Laundry-Detergent/product-reviews/B001KYUEGU

https://www.amazon.com/Downy-Liquid-Softener-Renewing-48-Loads/dp/B001LK6QQU

As usual for P&G detergents there is more ways to skin a cat...

Consumer Reports found that while yes, TTC did prevent fading and so forth, so did Tide Coldwater which cost less.

https://www.consumerreports.org/video/view/appliances/laundry/24301028001/tim-gunns-tide-total-care/

While P&G has discontinued TTC, there are other products including offerings from Tide, Persil and others that have same or similar polymer and so forth technology who make same or similar claims.

Henkel has a whole line of such products under Perwoll "Renew" line.

https://www.germanfoods.shop/Perwol...MIk--6h-yT8wIV8W1vBB3xygQEEAQYAiABEgLPWvD_BwE

For record sniffed a bottle of TTC back when it was on shelves as though it might be good for dress shirts and cotton knits. The "renewing rain" scent bowled me over so didn't purchase. [this post was last edited: 9/22/2021-20:34]