Tide rash

[richm]

It's interesting

For years, all I could use is Regular Tide powder as it was the only thing that doesn't bother me with either the scent and/or cause me to itch. Any other type of Tide does bother me, absolutely no liquid Tide! I have recently found that I can use the new Arm & Hammer Essentials liquid in the green bottle, which is supposedly "green" friendly. The scent doesn't bother me and no itching either.

Rich

 

[launderess]

Bile

From goats, oxen, cows and god only knows what other animals has long been used to remove stains. Indeed it was the the "enzyme" pre-treat product available for ages on both sides of the pond.

Indeed today one can still purchase "Ox-Bile" bases soaps and pre-treatment products in France, Germany and other parts of Europe and the UK.

L.

 

[launderess]

Oh and before anyone gives pains or has their sentiments offended by the use of bile for laundry, there was also urine, human or animal produced for cleaning washing as well.

 

[xraytech]

I have to agree with those on the Sears Ultra Plus detergent.
We have exclusively used the powder for years and it works great and is lightly scented and I have never had any rashes from it and I break out easily.
Even my grandmother who has severe allergies and sensitive skin uses it but she gets the liquid which is not as thrifty as the powder.
It also has the best value we buy when on sale the buckets of powder and it is $20 for a 275 wash bucket, the buckets are great to have on hand too for washing the cars or for scrubbng walls or for transporting water for cemetary flowers and many other uses.

 

[ronhic]

and lets not forget...

....what normal tablet soap was originally made from...

 

[rolls_rapide]

Amylase enzyme

I think that particular enzyme has been superceded by 'Glycosidase'.

During the 1990s, P&G's 'Ariel' powder had four enzymes (Amylase, Cellulase, Lipase and Protease).

P&G's 'Bold' had three : Amylase, Cellulase and Protease.

P&G's 'Daz' had two: Amylase and Protease.

Now, I understand that Ariel has four enzymes: Protease and three forms of Glycosidase. Glycosidase can apparently be modified to work on starchy stains, pectin stains or to tackle those gum-type stains (Xanthan and Guar, as found in salad cream).

Lipase and cellulase seem to have fallen out of favour; I wonder why?

Click on the blue coloured words to get a description.

http://www.scienceinthebox.com/cgi-bin/info-pg/showproduct.pl?lang=en_UK&id=1119-8

 

[launderess]

Cellulase is still used in many US detergents, most heavily by P&G in Tide, Cheer and many other detergents. Normally one can tell which detergent contains cellulase (though it is not always mentioned on the chemical listing), by the inclusion of the "Cotton" trademark on the package.

Cellulase supposedly keeps laundry looking like "new" by munching off small bits of fuzz and pills that develop on cotton clothing. There is one school of thought which says such action is hard on textiles, and some recommend fine linens, bedding and textiles not be washed in such detergents.

Lipase was one of the first enzymes included in laundry detergents and "pre-soaks", after protease. However fats and oils can be dealt with via new and improved surfactants, especially now that the trend on both sides of the pond is towards liquid detergents.

 

[gizmo]

what is the current thinking on enzymes in relation to skin rashes, itches, etc? I have been searching recently for a sensitive skin formula powder with enzymes, can't find any. Most of the "sensitive" versions of popular products like Omo have no enzymes, whereas the regular ("non sensitive") versions have enzymes. I thought I read here a year or two ago that enzymes had been studied and found NOT to be linked to skin irritation.
I have taken on an extra task at work - cleaning out the deep fryer each week - which inevitably ends up with oily blotches on my black cotton shirts. I have not yet found a good combination to shift the marks.

For quite a while I have been using Ecostore front loader powder, which was the best Eco front loader in the Choice test (the only "environmental" product which was any good at all) and scored better than any of the "sensitive" versions of popular brands, though it still scored well under the enzyme-laden full versions of the best performers. The only thing that Ecostore has trouble with is the oil marks. I have tried using enzyme based pre wash sprays, but they did little and stunk out the whole wash load.

MY situation - LG front loader, hot water fill temp limited to 60 degrees C, commonly more like 40 degrees actual temp; can't do profile wash with cold fill as heater is deliberately disconnected; very sensitive skin; black cotton shirts which fade easily but show oily marks very clearly.

Thanks

Chris

 

[launderess]

Last time one did any sort of research (ok, skimming "Google" for articles", physicans and others, including consumer groups have found that enzymes in detergents do not cause skin problems. However that does not rule out the odd person that might have an allergic reaction. Such reactions could also be from other chemicals in the detergent such as scent, or residue from incomplete rinsing.

If enzymes in detergents caused so much skin problems, you would see much higher numbers of said problems, at least in Western Europe and the United States, where by and large most laundry products contain advanced enzyme cocktails. Indeed outside of the UK, "non-bio" detergents for the most part are limited to certian MOL and BOL brands. It is worth noting that even some "Green" detergents add enzymes, which somewhat acknowledges that cleaning modern laundry without can be difficult, especially at today's lower wash temperatures.

As for grease/oil stains:

Problem with these stains is often even after the stain is gone, an oily ring will remain on the fabric, especially darker colours.

One might wish to try sponging with a solvent based spot remover or dry cleaning fluid, then working in either a good liquid detergent or laundry pre-treater, allowing it to sit, then rinse, then wash as normal. If going this route, you want to make sure anything remotely flammable is washed out before putting item in the washing machine.

Have a few cartons of a stain/spot pre-treater by Ecolab,which in addition to the normal enzyme cocktail, has some solvents as well for dealing with oils. Works pretty well, just is rather nasty stuff and must be kept off bare skin.

L.

 

[gizmo]

Thanks Launderess.

I have just tried "Vanish Preen Ultra degreaser" pre-wash spray, (80% liquid hydrocarbons) followed by "Radiant specialty Black Wash" which is a liquid detergent made for black clothes. I had expected the liquid to be black, but it is clear. Neither product claims to be for sensitive skin, and the completed washing has an unpleasant perfume to it. It is drying on racks upstairs as it is raining today, it has stunk out upstairs. The marks only show up when the washing is dry, so we will see if they have gone, and if the washed fabric eats my skin...

What a delicate little flower I am.

Chris.

 

[ronhic]

I have....

....recently stopped using the majority of prewash sprays such as preen on my collars and cuffs...

Instead, I have gone back to using a bar of soap....wet the oil stained area well, rub with sunlight soap (or even bath soap), rub gently and wash...

Doing this has finally moved the 'oily skin' mark where my work shirt collar 'wing' hits my shirt when I wear a tie...

Try it on a part of the shirt you don't see though first...just incase it removes the colour...

 

[brisnat81]

Hi Chris,

I us that verson of Preen if Drive doesnt shift it in a normal wash, I'll spray with that and re-wash with Drive.

Drive is terrible for the environment according to Choice, but it is one of the best performers, it'll usually strip most oil stains out of most loads. Almost no smell, just a faint hint of lemons/chemicals. It seems to rinse out very cleanly, with no suds by the third rinse.

Our supermarket has been running out the 2kg boxes for $5.75 a pop. The New x2 concentrate is $9.99 down from the $13.00 the 2kg box costs.

 

[ronhic]

Hello Nathan..

I just bought 2x1kg boxes of 'old' Surfmatic AND a 2kg box of old 'drivematic' for $8.50 in Woolies on Wednesday night...

Drive is wonderful stuff, but it can play havoc with colours (or it used to...loaded with bleach). I tend to use it pretty much at 1/2-2/3 dose and am always happy with the results...

...and the scent hasn't changed drastically in over 20yrs

My desire to not use preen is partly cost and was partly trying something 'old fashioned'. Preen at $4.50ish a can is bloody expensive...so I switched to Aldi's trigger pack version and it is fine especially at $1.75...

....but I am quite literally stunned at the good old bar of soap and water...mine and everyone elses gran was right.

 

[brisnat81]

Hey Ron,

I've had no issues with any colours. I've tried Omomatic Colour, Omo S&M Colour and Radiant Colour and none of them seem to clean as well.

The Previous 2kg formulation of Drive hasnt affected anything I've got over 3 years of use. I usually use 3/4 of a scoop for a full load.

I love that box of Omo Matic. Housewives must've bought a box a week in those 1 cup dosage days.

 

[ronhic]

I love the old....

....OMOmatic

I still have 5 boxes of it....every now and then I give one a squeeze so I can have a whiff...how sad is that!

I know that once I open it, I will use it until it every wash until it is gone...so I really do hold off...

 

[jetcone]

As a kid in the 60's

I got Tide rash so we never used it again, switched to Cheer.

So today I was worried when I started using Tide HE in the Duo's but so far after several months nothing and when I researched the formulation I was surprised that I found the HE powder uses a completely different surfactant than the regular Tide Plus products.