Tide Vivid

[cehalstead]

Just bought a box of Tide Vivid, original scent. On the box is the standard message that if you have an HE washer, you should use Tide HE. Also on the box is the HE symbol. I'm confused....is P&G slowly combining the two products into one? I wrote Tide.com several months ago about using HE formulas in a standard washer and the reply was that they are the same. Amounts don't need to be reduced or increased, depending on the type of machine one has. I started using the HE in SQ toploader and really like the reduced suds level and am just wondering if some day soon, there will only be one formula. Any input?

 

[launderess]

The Only Sure Source For An Answer To Your Query

Would be P&G, as they hold all the keys to that lock box.

However given how traditional top loaders are slowly being killed off, and how there never was any real need for tons of froth on wash day anyway, it does stand to reason that sooner or later most detergents including versions of Tide will be "HE".

For much of the UK and EU we know already this happened years ago now. If you want froth you've go to search out "hand wash" type detergents for the most part.

Remember when Tide was created it orginally didn't produce much if any froth. However housewives didn't think anything without the stuff was capable of cleaning after generations of using soaps for wash day, and stayed away in droves. Once P&G tweaked the formula to make suds galore, sales of Tide took off.

With P&G's margins becoming ever tighter it should be vastly easier on their bottom line to make only one version of a detergent. Dosage directions can go back to the way things were until rather recently; amounts given for different types of washing machines.

 

[cehalstead]

email to P&G

Just sent an email to P&G....will copy and paste answer when I receive it. Thanks!

 

[mysteryclock]

Could also post the question on their Facebook page....might get a faster response.

 

[georgect]

Ugh Facebook?

Not everyone is on facebook.

 

[cehalstead]

facebook

no facebook for me....double ugh!

 

[tomturbomatic]

No Facebook prying into my life and marketing what it finds for me either.

 

[jerrod6]

A few months ago I wanted to try Tide Liquid Free and Clear....ran to the store..brought home a bottle.... started a wash load.

A few minutes later as I was looking at the bottle I realized there was no He symbol on it.  Well the load was already underway so I held my breath.  Everything seemed to clean and rinse just fine, but I ended up getting the He version anyway because I thought It might be better for low level water washing.  As far as suds and rinsing  there was no problem with it...although I used less than their recommended dose and I  do have an older FL washer that probably uses more water in the rinse than those of today

 

Purex Triple Action  liquid is advertized for use in regular and He washers and it seems to work ok in my FL.

 

[cehalstead]

response from tide.com

Dear Chuck,
Thank you for contacting Tide.

We appreciate your feedback. All containers of Tide say to use HE detergent only in HE machines. If there is an HE symbol on the front label, then it would be an HE detergent and rest assured that HE detergent can also be used in a standard top-loading machine. I apologize for any confusion.

I hope this was helpful and I will be passing along your feedback.
Thank you again for writing.
Matt

Tide Team

 

[DADoES]

 
"All containers of Tide say to use HE detergent only in HE machines."

"If there is an HE symbol on the front label, then it would be an HE detergent and rest assured that HE detergent can also be used in a standard top-loading machine."

LOL. Contradictory, much?

Methinks the Tide rep should correctly have written "All containers of Tide say to use only HE detergent in HE machines." ... which would logically allow the statement that followed advising that HE detergent *can also* be used in non-HE washers.

 

[cehalstead]

"only"

I agree. It's a pity that most people cannot write a complete sentence. Don't even get me started on misplaced apostrophes.....

 

[launderess]

Don't Know About That

Was peeping around P&G's Tide website and looking at various ingredient lists for powders. It seems both HE and regular versions contain silicone as an antifoaming agent.

 

[frigilux]

Misplaced apostrophe's drive me up the wall, too.
; )

Should I buy another 95-use box of Tide HE Plus Bleach at Sam's Club while in Mankato tomorrow, or trust that Vivid will clean just as well? I like Tide HE Plus Bleach so much that if the tenacious suds weren't an issue, I'd never order Unilever Persil Bio Powder again.

What if Vivid performs even better than Tide HE Plus Bleach and I'm stuck with three 95-use boxes of the stuff?

Dilemma, dilemma, dilemma.

 

[earthling177]

Launderess says:

"[...] It seems both HE and regular versions contain silicone as an antifoaming agent. "

Well, that, right there, shows why I have little respect for what most people on the internet say -- unlike what the majority of people say, Tide is not a "high-sudsing" detergent, and it has not been for at least a couple of decades. Sure, it suds up more than the HE versions, and it can cause trouble when overdosed even in top-loading washers.

But so can the UK version of Ariel, manufactured for use in front-loading machines, and it suds up more (even in normal dosages) than, say, German Persil. The box say it can oversuds if overdosed.

At various times, since early 1990's, when P&G felt moved to print ingredients on the boxes of Tide (instead of the general "anionic and/or non-ionic surfactants, enzymes, water softeners and processing aids"), it listed, depending on year, "suds control agents" or "suds suppressing agents". Tide has been, for a long time now, at the very least a suds-controlled detergent, if not a low-sudsing detergent (remember when Ultra Tide was introduced in the 90's?).

The difference is not so much that it has silicon as an anti-foaming agent. The difference between formulations is how much and of what kind of anti-foaming agents. If you only need suds control, particularly during the wash cycle, whatever they put on regular Tide will do. If you actually need something for HE machines, not only the kinds of surfactants change (they're naturally less foamy to begin with), but the kinds and quantities of suds-supression silicones are kicked up more than a couple of notches -- HE machines will not, as a rule, like it when the "high" sudsing detergents sudslock during the first spin for rinse. Heck, even traditional top-loaders don't like it, but most people using top-loaders don't care and don't notice badly rinsed clothes anyway.

If you want to see *high* sudsing detergents, possibly just as high-sudsing as Tide used to be, if not more, just get some stuff from South America, where anything that doesn't say "for washing machines" is supposed to be used for handwashing and will produce more than a foot or so of foam even when handwashing in a wash tub.

Even stuff that suds more than Tide (inexpensive detergents, like Trend etc) here are relatively well behaved compared to the South American stuff. I'd be willing to bet they also list silicone in their Material Safety Data Sheets.

Cheers,
-- Paulo.
[this post was last edited: 9/12/2012-01:29]

 

[whirlykenmore78]

Intrestimg about Tide formulations

I would never have thought the 2 to be so close.  Regarding Facebook,  they can take their rediculous site and stick it up their ass.

WK78

 

[frigilux]

My problem with Tide and suds in my 2010 front-loader: Too many suds in the wash portion of the cycle isn't the problem. The problem is that, at least in mechanically softened water, the suds hang on so tenaciously in the rinses. You never get anywhere near a clear final rinse, even using an extra rinse. In fact, I've rinsed things five times and there is still some foam.

There are three fill lines on the measuring scoop that comes with Tide. The standard amount for a moderately soiled load is Line 2. You're supposed to fill to Line 3 for heavily soiled loads. Not much is said about Line 1 on the packaging. I tend to fill just a bit over Line 1 for most loads, and still the suds hang on.

UK Persil Bio Powder rinses out much better than Tide, even in softened water.

 

[roscoe62]

I have soft water and the new concentrated Tide He powder doesn't want to work period in my Duet, suds control problem, and has been since the concentrated formula went on market.After contacting P&G three times and having the product replaced I gave up and switched back to Persil.I was a third generation Tide user, I guess change is inevitable.
If Persil can make a detergent(s) for all water types I don't know why P&G can't get on the wagon?

 

[earthling177]

Eugene and Roscoe:

That's precisely what I'm trying to say -- Tide has been a suds-controlled detergent for quite a while. That's not the same thing as being a low-sudsing detergent or, at the end of the spectrum, a no-sudsing detergent, which is more or less what detergents like Persil are.

Persil can in fact oversuds in certain conditions, depending on water quality.

But P&G has not, as far as I can tell, invested on detergents that clean better and rinse better -- detergents that naturally make little or no suds cost more. Also, the problem with suds supressants made with silicone is that, while very effective in toploaders, they're not nearly as effective in frontloaders: silicone is lighter than water and floats to the top, where it impedes foaming; horizontal axis washing presents more opportunities for foaming in surfaces that are not the top surface of the water.

Also, traditional antifoaming agents work really well when the washing is going on (lots of water), but as soon as spinning starts you are on your own, the antifoaming action nearly stops.

In my experience, just like Eugene's, Tide HE doesn't suds a lot during the wash, it's when spinning and then rinsing starts that it suds up, when it does, my water is naturally soft (a bit less than 4 grains/gallon).

I don't believe that P&G doesn't *know* how to make a decent HE detergent -- they've made them for decades in Europe, as far as I can tell.

I believe that P&G, for good or bad, has two problems: one is that they still think clients want to see *some* suds, which is ridiculous, they've been the ones advertising that suds are good, they could just as easily advertise that no suds is *better*; and two, they know that making money in the detergent market is tough business, so if they save even a couple of cents per package of detergent, it's money in the bank, given that their detergents cost just as much to the end user as the good stuff would cost. They've been using the second tier components for quite a while, and they only put better stuff there when they *have* to.

Best thing we can do as clients is to call them and complain.

 

[jerrod6]

With my 9 year front loader I could never use any Tide He product.  The problem was NOT in the wash but in the rinses, the suds persisted all through even 3 deep rinses in my machine.

 

Now these new formulas  Tide Vivid with Bleach powder/ Total care liquid, Tide Free and Clear liquid seem more like the Ariel powder I tried from GB a few years ago.  Suds in the wash, but the first rinse was almost clear as was the final rinse but compared to German Persil it is still in 2nd place for clear rinsing but it rinses better than Purex liquids.  Of course this is in my water conditions.

 

Did notice today that the fragrance from the powdered detergent lingered in my clothes while using 1 tablespoon in the prewash and 2 tablespoons in the main wash.  I really don't like the smell of the stuff but I was also using a fabric softener so I didn't expect the detergent fragrance  in the final outcome.