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Time of day calling it quits at AT & T
Los Angeles Times
August 29 2007

It's the end of time, at least as far as AT&T is concerned.

The brief note in customers' bills hardly does justice to the momentousness of the decision. "Service withdrawal," it blandly declares. "Effective September 2007, Time of Day information service will be discontinued."

What that means is that people throughout Southern California will no longer be able to call 853-1212 to hear a woman's recorded voice state that "at the tone, Pacific Daylight Time will be . . ." with the recording automatically updating at 10-second intervals.

"Times change," said John Britton, an AT&T spokesman. "In today's world, there are just too many other ways to get this information. You can look at your cellphone or your computer. You no longer have to pick up the telephone."

Indeed, time already has stopped in 48 other states, he said. California and Nevada are the two remaining holdouts.

In Northern California, the prefix for calling time is 767, or P-O-P on a telephone keypad. For decades, locals up there have dialed POPCORN any time they have had to reset their watches or reprogram electronic gadgets after a power failure.

"In California, our equipment has gotten old," Britton said. "It's reached the end of its life span."

Time's up statewide Sept. 19. Britton said Nevada service would live on borrowed time for an unspecified period, until the equipment in that state similarly starts breaking down.

One upside: AT&T says doing away with time would enable the creation of about 300,000 new phone numbers in California beginning with the 853 or 767 prefixes. (No such numbers have been issued to date because, when coupled with any four other digits, you get time.)

To be sure, time marches on. Yet for many Californians, the looming demise of the "time lady," as she's come to be known, marks the end of a more genteel era, when we all had time to share.

"It was always there," said Orlo Brown, 70, who for many years kept Pacific Bell's (and subsequently SBC's) time machines running in a downtown Los Angeles office building. "Everybody knew the number."

Richard Frenkiel was assigned to work on the time machines when he joined Bell Labs in the early 1960s. He described the devices as large drums about 2 feet in diameter, with as many as 100 album-like audio tracks on the exterior. Whenever someone called time, the drums would start turning and a message would begin, with different tracks mixed together on the fly.

"The people who worked on it took it very seriously," Frenkiel, 64, recalled. "They took a lot of pride in it."

In a twist of historical irony, Frenkiel went on to play a leading role in development of the technology that makes cellphones possible -- the very device that's now instrumental in killing time.

Phone companies have been providing the time to callers since the 1920s. In the early days, live operators read the time off clocks on the wall.

In the 1930s, an Atlanta company called Audichron devised a system for the time to be provided automatically. Audichron leased its technology to phone companies nationwide, often with sponsorship from local businesses.

Time ladies -- and a few gentlemen -- came and went over the years. Then, in the 1950s, a woman named Mary Moore emerged as the nation's leading time-teller.

Her reading of hours, minutes and seconds was delivered in a distinctive if somewhat prissy tone. Moore's odd pronunciation of the numbers 5 ("fiyev") and 9 ("niyun") influenced a generation of operators, much as flying ace Chuck Yeager's West Virginia drawl is said to have been adopted by innumerable airline pilots.

By far the most prominent time lady was Jane Barbe, who succeeded Moore at Audichron in the 1960s. A former big band singer, Barbe (pronounced "Barbie") went on to become the voice of recorded telephone messages in the 1970s and '80s in the United States and elsewhere.

Along with her interpretations of the time and current temperature, Barbe delivered the bad news too, telling you that circuits in a specific area were busy, please try again later, or that your call cannot be completed as dialed.

And who will ever forget her heartbreaking rendition of "I'm sorry, the number you have dialed is no longer in service"?

Barbe died of cancer-related complications in 2003 at age 74. It's estimated that at the height of her fame, Barbe's voice was heard worldwide about 40 million times a day.

AT&T's Britton said the company started using Audichron's machines in 1948 and then switched to a different system manufactured by rival Weatherchron, also of Atlanta, in the 1960s. He was unable to identify the current time lady, saying that perhaps no one at AT&T knows who she is.

Ellis Bryant, the 83-year-old president of Weatherchron, also was unsure whose voice Californians hear when they call time. So he dialed 853-1212 and listened to the recording.

"Oh, that's Joanne," Bryant said without hesitation. "Joanne Daniels. No doubt about it."

He said Daniels started recording the time for Weatherchron about 25 years ago. At some point after Pacific Bell switched to his company's system, Daniels became California's time lady.

Reached at her Atlanta home, Daniels, 65, estimated that her reach was once nearly as extensive as that of Barbe, who was a friend. Daniels is now retired.

"I've done the time in many areas -- Eastern Standard Time, central time, Pacific time," she said. "The fun part was doing the temperatures for places like Alaska."

Daniels switched to her professional voice, her soft Southern accent instantly vanishing. "At the tone," she said, "the temperature is minus 12 degrees." She laughed and her accent returned. "I liked that."

No one had told her that AT&T was about to stop time.

"I think that's very sad," Daniels said. "I was told at one time that my voice would last until well into the 21st century. Now it looks like I'm about to be laid to rest."

When that day comes, Daniels said, she knows what her epitaph will be: "She knew the time."
 
The Speaking clock.......

This is a link to a site with fantastic info on the British version started by the General Post Office/GPO in 1936 and still going- you dial 123 to get it.

Also has loads of info on the whole British system and loads of info on vintage instruments etc if any of you US guys are interested ;)

Seamus

http://www.telephonesuk.co.uk/speaking_clock.htm
 
Thanks for the story -- I've always loved 'The Time

The bad news is that I just called my local Time number, and it's been disconnected. Drat you, New AT&T!

-kevin
 
There used to be all kinds of stuff you could dial up.
the weather, a prayer, music surveys, sports crap, a prostitute... and so on.

But really, so much is available on line, who needs it. Good memories though as a teenager. LOL, with a friend calling and calling, and calling again, lol, and calling again. and being amazed that the recording sounded similar but the new time was updated. (OK, we lived in a neighborhood by the nuclear power plant and had alot of those "slow children" signs on our street. Gimmee a break here)

 
Who needs it!?!

Me, for one.

It's strange, but even though I use the internet for more and more things all the time, I still (used to) call 'Time' on the telephone when the power fails, or when the time changes.

I know that technology brings a lot of improvements to the way we live our lives, but I'm not willing to give up all of the wonderful, comfortable things of the past. And I think many of these zanies here who collect old washers, ironers, record players, and what-all else would agree.

I just want to be able to pick up my phone, dial 255-1234, and hear, "Your telephone company brings you the correct time . . ." And I want that to be forever.

-kevin
 
I conferenced the AT&T time lady in Los Angeles with the Ato

. . . and she was right on the money. Too bad we're going to lose that kind of accuracy. My company BlackBerry and my AT&T cell phone are rarely synced to the atomic clock, even though they claim to be.
 
Another institution bites the dust

I have an atomic wall clock I got on sale at Walgreen's, and a second one, from a thrift store. I find myself getting a little angrier every day when I miss things like we all grew up with. I'm tired of watching things and concepts get thrown away for "progress".
 
58limited . . .

Out of curiosity, I tried calling 214-844-6611, since I figured that Plano probably still had the 214 area code back then. It's still in service - a recording by Bank of America. I was curious to see what I would get if I dialed 972-844-6611, since Plano is now in the 972 area code, and I got the same recording! I thought it was pretty cool that they made sure that number stayed in service with both the new and the old area codes. I guess our time and temperatue nubmers have become somewhat of an institution, and many people still use them today.

I called the number I'm used to from both towns I grew up in, and they are still in service. Very cool. I hope they don't go anywhere anytime soon. It's kind of nice to know they are around.

On a similar note, does anyone remember that to order pretty much anything by phone from a TV ad back in the 1980's, you called 1-800-257-1234? I know that one by heart from the many hours of commercials I watched growing up. When I was a kid, I also used to watch "The Bozo Show" on WGN out of Chicago. They always had commercials for Empire Carpet, which had their phone number in a gingle - 588-2300 - EMPIRE! Now they've also obtained an 800-number with the same digits, and I guess they are selling nation-wide. I'm such a nerd, but this is fun stuff! LOL.

Bryan
 
WOW! I'm glad the Dallas area system is still working. I seem to remember that the system switched from the phone company in the early 1980's, but maybe it was always run by a local bank. The number gave the time and temperature.

I remember my first "phone call" - I must have been four or five. I picked up the phone and dialed a number. A stranger answered and I asked what time it was (I had seen my parents call time and temp and tried to copy them). About this time my older sister walked in and took the phone, apologized to the person I called, and told my parents. I don't remember what followed too well, but I didn't touch the phone for a long time after that...
 
I remember WGN and 588-2300- Empire. watching that on our newly installed cable TV with like 30 channels.

Plano Tx. We used to have relatives that moved down there in like 1974. proudly moving into a quaint new 3 bedroom tract house with a 2 car garage off an alley way in the back, mirror tiles on the wall in the deep shag carpeted living room and central Air. lol. we would go down and go to 6 Flags over Texas and got rained out bad one year. My aunt even took us to 7-11 to get a slushy. A first for me. I was impressed I admit. Then they built a new house in Richardson in 1980.

Another time based song. A well done movie for its time.





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Back in Milwaukee...

The 'Time' number was: 414-844-4444.. Called it tonight, number has been disconnected.

Same with the weather number: 414-936-1212. Nada. I used to call it all the time, when I woke up... especially in the winter--to know how many sweaters to wear. :)

I wonder what the justification of discontinuing these services is. One would think that these 'mammoth machines' that ran the service and are 'breaking down' would have been replaced by computers at some point--years ago. How much was it costing them to run these services--really?

On a similar, yet different note... When one subscribes to 'digital' phone service through one's cable company--you can no longer dial out with a rotary telephone. When I found this out, I was upset!! Receiving calls is no problem. But the 'digital' phone line/system thingy doesn't know how to adapt the analog "clicks" (signal) that a rotary phone sends out. Eventually, Joe and I will be getting rid of the cable phone, so I can put to use my rotary phones. Granted, I do like touch-tone... but there's something cool about actually turning the dial on an old phone every now and then.

~Fred
 
713-555-1212 is now a directory assistance number in Houston. In fact XXX-555-1212 (where XXX = current area code) is directory assistance anywhere.
As for current time, I just look at the time on Satellite TV listings. It's always correct. Or when I used to visit NASA at the Johnson Space Center and they allowed visits to mission control I always set my watch to their clocks. The tour guide always made such a deal about how mission control clocks were "absolutely, positively correct down to the second!"

Way back in 1977 when I moved some of my co workers took me to a midnight showing of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show". I was about as shocked at the movie as Janet in the movie was! But I always DID like the "Time Warp" dance. Just about every type of oddwad is depicted.
 
"In fact XXX-555-1212 (where XXX = current area code) is directory assistance anywhere. "

I thought so. After using 411 for so long I wasn't quite sure though.

Luck you, Allen. I didn't see the movie until like '89. And then, not again until 95' ? When I really got into it.
Loved the house, the music, Barry and Susan, It was just all around good.
 
I fondly remember the time lady

I grew up in Washiington State, which is very similar to Oregon in many ways. Our time lady, at the time of her demise was 206-844-1111, although, they retired her when the divorce between Pacific Northwest Bell ( now Qwest) and AT&T occured. I assumed that it had just happened everywhere, apperantly not I guess. It warms my heart to call and hear the time lady again. It is a real shame that they have to put her out to pasture.It is nice to see that she is alive and well someplace. I will admit however, my old Big Ben, fresh from the clock shop (another dying breed), works perfect for telling time, as well as my cell phone.Even when the time change occures, or I have changed time zones traveling, it always changes.Yah, Yah, it is nice, I really have an affinity for the time lady.My vote for the best time lady, Jane Barbe...............take a listen........One of my favorate web sites for vintage telephone everything you can imagine............................

http://www.dmine.com/phworld/sounds/misc/
 
555 1212

still works in maryland - I guess until Saturday.

This is disturbing news. End of an American institution.

Good thing I do have a cell phone and a computer so I'll know what time it is.

B
 
The Speaking Clock is still in service in Ireland, although it's been rebranded with eircom's standard trademarked voice over guy.

To access it you dial 1191

It's always said "At the signal, it will be XX:XX and XX seconds beep..." (in 24 hour format in ten second intervals)

Directory Enquiries (DQ) (Information) have been operated on a competitive basis for some time now in Ireland (a few years before the UK and most of Europe)

Several different companies provide information services starting with 118XX they're advertised heavily and constantly try to out do eachother.

11-8-11 (Eleven eight eleven) (with the most annoying song ever)
11-8-50 (Eleven eight fifty)
and 11-8-90 (Eleven eight ninety) are the main players.

When the services were opened up as competitive market services initially, there were a whole load more, but as time went on the less popular ones died out.

http://www.11850.ie/tv_ad.aspx
 
Yes, P-O-P-C-O-R-N or just 767 + punching the receiver button on the phone 4 times would work. The official number was RO7-8900. There also used to be a code to make your own phone ring. On the old "crossbar" switches it was 960, wait for a click then dial 6 and hang up. Your phone would start ringing. Pick up and you'd get dial tone.

For the last 17 years I've lived in Verizon (formerly GTE) territory. Their time-of-day service has become a joke. Call it and you will hear something like, "At the tone the time will be four-twenty and 93 seconds" followed cheerily by "brought to you by Verizon." I know from experience that calling the Verizon business office about this will get me nowhere. Sometimes you can call and a different voice will tell you the time, and do so correctly. But most of the time, it's this crazy 67 seconds or 82 seconds BS. Knowing Verizon, they will follow suit and dump the time-of-day service too. They seem to follow AT&T's lead here in California.

Many people may be surprised to know that in the telco business offices, many exchanges are still referred to by their pre-1947 (when the North American Dialing Plan--aka area codes--was introduced) names like AXminster, MOntrose and KEllog. I still have the CYpress 5 number plate from our family phone as a kid and am using it on one of my 302 phones at home. It's the same number that's been in service at my mom's house for the last 47 years. And does anybody remember the "hang-up" sound that resembled a warped siren? I've heard it in a couple of old movies but am wondering if there's anyplace you can hear it for real anymore. Now we get that annoying beeping sound instead. As a kid, it used to be fun trying to mess things up enough abusing the rotary dial to get that siren sound, as if you'd fried the brain in your phone or something. How easy it was to be amused as a kid in the 50's and 60's!
 
Note some are historic

Some of those (towards the end of that list ) i.e. referring to Stowger / Stepping switches are historical recordings.

The network's 100% digital, same in all EU countries. Doesn't use the same equipment as the US though.

UK : Marconi System X and Ericsson AXE
Ireland : Alcatel E10 and Ericsson AXE
 
Electronic switching

It's been a while since I kept up with such things, but I believe that most U.S. telcos are using some version of either the AT&T 5ESS or the Nortel DMS-100. There are some Ericsson Axe's around too. And, to Hoover, the latest versions don't incorporate the rotary pulse recognition hardware anymore. So in many areas (where I live for one), you can't dial with a rotary phone on a telco POTS line anymore either.

What was then South Central Bell first started installing 5ESS switches here in 1982. The first thing they discovered is that they complete calls much, much faster than the old swtiches did. In fact, initially, call completion was so fast that if you had one of those phones with the dial pad in the handset, it wasn't uncommon that the phone would ring and the person on the other end would answer in the time between your dialing the last digit and putting the handset to your ear. You'd start listening and instead of hearing the ringing tone, the person on the other end would be saying "Hello? Hello?" already.

Certain local denizens around here proclaimed this the work of the devil. "The phone system read my mind! It completed my call before I finished dialing!" In the next software revision, AT&T put in a provision for a programmable call completion delay. That delay is still in the 5ESS software to this day.
 
Fa, thanks for the interesting read on switching equipment. I'm pretty sure I'm on a 5E at home but to my knowledge in California you can still use a rotary dial on either 5E or DMS switches. Maybe a PUC/consumer watchdog requirement. Both switches have their selling points. I particularly like the way the Nortel EBS phones work with the Nortel switching equipment. Locally, we still had some crossbar switching offices into the early 90's, and those customers were really upset that they couldn't even have call waiting, let alone the other advanced features that most phone customers already were enjoying. Remnants of the old Pacific Telephone/Pacific Bell that always seemed to be running behind the technological curve.

For those who are unfamiliar, POTS is a telco "technical" term for "Plain Old Telephone Service." No joke. I've always felt they need to come up with another essential service called "PANS" but the way things are going, POTS could be history along with the time lady before too long. It's already pretty tough to find yourself in a situation where you hear a busy signal anymore, unless maybe you're trying to get through to the DMV!
 
I know in the Pacific Northwest

They did away with alot of the old #5,#1 Cross bar equipment as well as the Step-by Step,, Pannel-sxs switches in the mid to late 80's(imagine that some of that stuff was 50+years old in some cases, and still worked) At my house it was Nov of 1981 as I recall. The last place that switched to the new equipment was Portland Cypris which still had the old Step by step centeral office and the Portland Harold St which had a #5 cross bar, which for many years was a standard in alot of places in this part of the country, including where I grew up in Vancouver, Wa. In 1986, the PUC told the phone co's that they were required to(go to electronic switching), in order for everyone to have equal access, meaning that they could choose a different long distance carrier than AT&T. I know in our neighborhood, which is Portland Belmont(503- 230 to 239 etc) we have ESS 1-A equiped central office, a relic by todays standards.AS a result of that, I can still use my rotarty phones that will never die.
 
Yeah, it's exactly the same with the Alcatel E10 and Ericsson AXE switches here, your call completes instantaneously.

In Europe, you tend to have more of a range of switch vendors as we didn't have the arrangement AT&T had i.e. it made its own equipment.

Ericsson is hugely dominant and has been for decades, they actually developed the crossbar technology that switched most of the world's telephones from the 1930s onwards. AT&T/Western Electric actually licensed the technology from L.M. Ericsson.

Ireland had various eras of Ericsson Crossbars - ARF/ARM, ARE-11 (computer controlled crossbar). They were pretty common all over Europe until the late 1970s/1980s when AXE (digital) replaced them.

The other major switches you'd be likely to come across in the EU are:
Alcatel - E10 and S12 switches.
Siemens - EWSD
Nokia - DX200/DX210
Marconi - System X

Rarer:
Nortel DMS
Philips 5ESS-PRX (which is a hybrid of a Philips PRX and Lucent 5ESS switch

The UK has a long history of using Strowger step-by-step exchanges. BT never really adopted crossbar in a huge way other than for transit and gateway switches in the 60s/70s. They were aiming to jump from SxS to electronic or digital in one go. So, largely skipped crossbar as they didn't want to licence the technology.
So, instead you got the TXE electronic exchanges which were reed-relay based.

Ireland has a slightly different history:
Step by Step switches began to be phased out in the 1950s.
Ericsson ARF/ARM crossbars from then onwards.
Until the late 1970s when digital switches (Alcatel E10) appeared - they replaced the oldest gear initially i.e. remaining manual exchanges (operator panels) and Step by Step.
The crossbars were mostly replaced with Ericsson AXE

So, not it's 50:50 AXE:E10 in the eircom network anyway (the old incumbent our 'bell')

Of course, there are a whole range of new telcos which could be using anything - although Ericsson AXE seems the most popular with most of them.
 
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