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Now why does one have to choose?

 

Is that an average price?   $329 seemed a little pricy, but then again the savings from faster dry times, and not having to tear apart the vent to clean it.

 

They were showing the demo with dry lint.  I wonder how it does with wet steamy sticky lint?
 
How Would It Work Damp Steamy Lint

Good point Harley, I also dispute that a clean vent reduces energy consumption or the reverse a dirty vent increases energy use. Yes it is better to have a clean vent system, better for the dryer, your clothing and safer to boot, but when a vent system is partly clogged the gas burner or heating element just cycles off and on and because the process takes much longer you may even be using less total energy.
 
John,

What is your idea for the perfect vent material?    I have heard a few plumbers state they like using PVC pipe because the lint does not stick, or does not stick for very long.  

In your experience have you found a vent material that lent does not stick to?  Of course I am talking about long vent runs.

Thanks!
 
Best Vent Material For Long Runs

Is still rigid steel or aluminum and if it is a long straight run it is better to get 5 or 10 foot sections to cut down on the number of joints.

The next consideration is if the ducting is going through a space that is ever any colder that the house the outside of the ducting should be insulated [ they make insulation for this purpose that you just pull over the pipe as you install it] this will help prevent condensation inside that leads to more lint build up.

As far as I know plastic PVC pipe is not approved for ducting dryers or range ventilation applications unless it is underground or installed in poured concrete because of the fire hazzard potential. Also if installing PVC underground or in concrete the outside of the pipe should also be insulated with rigid foam insulation to reduce condensation problems, the ducting should also slope toward the exit. If you use PVC drain line you need to go to 5" because it is so thick that you do not get a full 4" airflow space in 4" PVC.

Whenever I see a dryer vent system that is longer or installed in a way that it is difficult to clean I always suggest that the user NOT use fabric softener sheets in the dryer to reduce lint build-up. It is also a good idea to wash and rinse clothing properly, hot water, good detergent and good rinsing, when we see washers that have grungy build-ups of dirt, minerals and mold you can usually see the effects in the dryer and venting as well.
 
Thanks John!

I also wondered about PVC and static.  When I have worked with it in cold temps I found it to be very prone to static.  I have seen as you said the PVC for dryer vent that were run underground through concrete.

 
 
Yes combo, but while an element cycle on and off intermittently, you will not have moisture escaping the same way and what you'll get will be an oversaturation of moisture and heat, moisture not escaping will lengthen the drying time of course, but beside heating source (that you object will cycle on and off which is right) you'll also have a motor running for much longer than needed and it use energy too....and that's where I also see a waisting...
 
As John said of course it's best to avoid cheap detergents, some cheap powders are overfilled with and or all about soda, soda will form and leave precipitated minerals in the clothes and they will kinda bond with clothing and won't be removed in the rinse, these minerals will then detach while drying because getting dry will make them removable, and they'll fly into the vent and since they're attracted to humidity they will build up....
Some liquid fabric softeners have an acidic component or ingredients in them that will break the bond of these precipitated minerals into clothes and will make them go in the water. They'll help rinse too.
Not the dryer sheets!
In some commercial instances is common the use of "laundry sour" (acids) for this purpose also...and that's why also vinegar makes a good natural fabric softener (also much used by those folks who makes natural/homemade detergents, which infact, are all about soda for the most), but as long as you use a good detergent there shouldn't be problems or need of...

I have a flexible pvc dryer duct for my dryer, and it exit immediately above it (it's 14 feet above the dryer)... I used to have a aluminum one with the old dryers I had, now I am not sure if it was fault of the previous dryers screens, but I have noticed it used to build up more lint than the pvc one I use now with the speed queen....
They suggest the use of fleixible alu for gas dryers for fire hazards (I think it's more due to the heat of the burner that typically runs behind the dryer), but I see and think the PVC one works fine anyway and can't be an hazard actually as it doesn't come in contact with the dryer...
I clean it once a year, just did it this fall...and it was almost clean already....
Now, in case of long hoses inside walls etc, and when built and joined "as they should be" what I think I would use is the leaf blower method....but it's best and due also to use one of those flexible brushes from time to time ...
As John said it's important for air ducts inside cold walls or running underground to be insulated correctly or they will partially condense and attact lint , they of course have to be made of durable smooth materials also....avoid like plague cement or whatever not smooth, I personally think after all PVC plumbing pipes makes a good option for underground as it will not oxidate due to ground humidity like alu or whatever metal not inox would during the time, and I don't really get all the safety matter about plastic inside walls, if there will be ever a fire inside the dryer hose, the metal one will get so hot that will make wood wall catch fire the same way, different matter is if the hose pass through an ignifuge insulation, that's a more important specification they should mention....

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Clogged Dryer Vents

KMG89, a 400 watt motor is not signifant, and the heat the motor is creating is being drawn into the airstream and this heat is just as effective watt to watt at drying clothing as the same amount of heat from the heating element. A partly clogged vent system that makes a dryer run 1/2 hour longer might actually save energy, but in any case any savings either way are VERY SMALL, maybe pennies a month.
 
And a clogged vent or a very long run, whether clogged or clean makes the electric element run hotter when it is running due to reduced airflow which shortens the life of the element which is why John installs lower wattage elements in dryers that have had heating elements replaced due to failure because of long vent runs. I think I remember him telling me that if it is a full size dryer, he replaces the heater with one from the smaller dryers which is lower wattage. Drying time is extended, but the elements last longer.
 
Rigid Ductwork

Winter time is the time when ductwork is most likely to buildup a lint clog. Builders will rarely if never properly insulate the dryer duct. When the pipe runs though a frigid space, moisture will condense inside and lint will stick. Add to that the fabric softener and you eventually get a cotton candy mess.

Malcolm
 
Malcolm I remember you installed a booster.  

What brand was it?  Have you checked it for lint build up?

I remember you were very happy with the results after only a few loads of drying.

 
 
Lint

Yes, I chose this brand and installed it in the exhaust.

I haven't checked it lately, but every once in a while, a golf ball sized tuft of lint can be found in the grass. So, build up is occurring, but at some point it gets chucked outside.

Malcolm

It is normally a Fall task to check and clean it out. But Fall has quickly progressed to Winter and I may have run out of time...
 
Thanks Malcolm.

Did you order direct from their website?  Just curious if this price is the regular price.  

Thanks
 
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