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I saw a couple replies recommending GE dishwashers, and at one time I would have wanted only a GE. That is what I once thought. In a nutshell, I would stay AWAY from any GE dishwasher now, here's why I say that:

I own a 4 year old Profile tall-tub, near top of line. My mother has a 3 year old Triton XL, which is very similar to mine. Hers sees twice the use mine does. She bought the Triton as a repeat GE customer, since her 1986 Potscrubber 900 had lasted 19 years and only was replaced because a door spring broke and she was looking for an excuse to have a new one.

About 4 months ago her machine began making intermittent grinding/grumbling noises that would start and stop unexpectedly, but were brief. We all figured it was the internal food grinder. Since then, the noise has become louder and more frequent. There are loads now when it makes this noise nearly the entire load. Last week my mother called for service.

The GE factory repairman removed the toe panel, and test-ran the machine briefly then said "Well, that's another one!" As it turns out there seems to be a number of machines where bearings in the motors are prematurely wearing out. The repairman complained something about the bearings being encased in plastic (I was not there to ask for an explanation).

Her machine as I said is three years old. It gets run about every other day, or every three days - depends on how much she and my dad eat out for dinner. For a machine that is not run daily to have it's bearings wear out so fast is unacceptable, and apparently mom's is not the only one. I have heard the same noises coming from my machine, but since I use it less, it is developing more slowly.

The repairman suggested, unofficially, that the machine was not worth repairing, then did not charge her for the service call, saying that if GE called for a survey, to state that the call was refused at the door. He quoted $300 to repair it.

We went shopping for something new - the salespeople at two GE dealers in Charlotte said essentially the same thing "we like their cooking products but we do not actively sell their dishwashers and only will if a customer wants one. Their quality control has not been there like it once was".

I inquired with GE if they were having a problem with motor bearings, they said "no", of course. They will not back mom's machine with any support whatsoever, even after mom threatened to cancel her $2000 Profile in the wall double oven that was on order. Replacement motors have no changes in design or improved bearings. Since my machine is doing the same thing, we've decided to scrap them both, but not before I take a hatchet to them and post it on Youtube, lol.

I don't know for sure, but I think the standard tub GEs may be using a different motor, but I surely would NOT recommend the GE tall tub machines that we have, based on what has been said by the sales peopld and the GE repairman.
 
GE Tall Tub!

Hi Gorden,
I also have a tall profile that is 5 years old. I like the machine but I also noticed the past year or so at the beginning of the cycle I hear a grinding noise also. But it does usually disappear. I usually run it 1 to 3 times a week. I hope I'm not headed for a disaster. I don't see anything else worth buying. It does clean very well.
Peter
 
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GE tall tubs grumbling

Uh.....guys!
That grumbling noise you hear is NOT the motor.
That intermitant grumbling is the rattling of the middle spray arm conduit.
When the middle spray arm docks with the feed cone in the rear, there is a small O-ring on that cone, and it wears out, allowing the conduit to vibrate with the pressure.

You guys are throwing away dishwashers for no reason.
I tied down our Triton XL's mid spray tube with a zip tie, and that stopped the rumbling.

Your GE guy was yankin' your chain maybe.
 
Hey Gordon, that was very interesting. I am so glad to hear that I am not the only person out here that thinks GE dishwasher are a piece of you know what! I had the house built here and moved in 16 months ago. I have the tall tub GE profile one step down from the top. This was a BIG upgrade from what the builder was offering. It has to be the worst dishwasher I have every owned. Had GE service twice, nothing appeared to be wrong. The last service guy said, "this is just how they are, they don't use enough water to really get things clean"! Needless to say, I will never buy another GE dishwasher.
 
More on the GE Tall tub mess

John,

Thanks for the note! I sure don't know what that says about GE factory service if the problem turns out to be so severely mis-diagnosed. My folks have not replaced the machine yet, in fact I talked them into cancelling the $800 KitchenAid they had ordered to give me time to investigate as the Triton was still running ok. I just called and Mom says it needs to be run tonight, so I'm going to go over there and try your idea. Nothing ventured nothing gained! I will reply tomorrow with the results.....do you have a suggestion or picture of where you think it is best to add the tie clip?
 
Terry - I have a small tidbit of advice for you on your fancy Profile that I learned from mine (Ironically mine is also one step down from the top of the line). Other then the annoying vibrations, (which maybe now is a simple fix!) I have been happy with the performance of my machine, but initially I complained about lack of cleaning too. My needs are different than some people's as it's just me at home and I run mine about once per week. I don't have hugely sloppy messy dishes (I use rinse-only in that case) but occasionally something will dry on during the week that is not easy to get rid of later.

The dirt sensors that these machines have are cool...they don't allow the machine to waste water with numerous pre-washes if the machine "thinks" it doesn't need them. That however shortens the overall cycle, and therefore the exposure of the dishes to cleansing sprays is shortened as well, which is especially important for dried-on foods.

At least in my machine's case, using the secondary detergent cup seems to trick the sensors regardless of how dirty the dishes are - it always goes through the pre-programmed maximum pre-washes when I use that, and it doesn't if I don't put any detergent in there. It's taken a number of trials to figure that out, but it seems to be fool proof. My guess is that this happens because the detergent makes the water feel "slick" to the sensors, just like oily, dirty water would.

So, if you need better cleaning performance and you are not already filling that little extra detergent cup, try it....see if your machine runs a few more pre-washes like mine does. It will use more water, but if your dishes come out clean without need of re-washing, that'd probably be a good thing!
 
Dishwashers.

My folks have a late 1990s Maytag Jetclean, and it is the best, most flexible dishwasher I have ever used.
While I lived in a carriage house in Savannah, GA for a year, I had a BOL Roper wash-tower machine. While the dishwasher wasn't great, the water heater was turned up to "super scald" and that dishwasher worked great. The only downside was that it was easy to get severely burned.
The same year, I had friends who had a BOL Kenmore and a water heater only turned up to about 125 or 130. We called it the "dish warmer and moistener." That machine would warm the dishes and get them good and wet, but was completely incapable of actually cleaning anything.

I think Maytag Jetclean machines offer the best bang for the buck (for a new machine anyway).
Dave
 
Yibbles and bit and grit. Oh my!

Ok now I am REALLY confused.
My GE Triton is fabulous, and my KitchenAid tall-tub from about 4 years ago is the pits.

I am VERY tempted to get a Whirlpool two-door model (not the tall-tub)with a Power-clean module, and kick the @#$%^ KA to the curb, very unceremonously.

Loved my 1991 WP portable that I had permanently /properly instaled when I bought an apt.

I am however, through all of this, convinced that the best way to go is to buy the machine wth the absolute WORSE energy/water label there is! Start with the BOL and go for the first one up that has a high-temp was option. FEH.
 
Vibrating GEs

first, make sure the screw holding the rear conduit it tight.

and this is something i just thought of now....try getting a new comparable o-ring and replace it.

otherwise, tie the middle spray arm down just a few inches from the rear. see how that works.

all GE tall tub machines should have some paperwork underneath, that has instructions for testing.
i ran the motor dry, and it did not emulate the "rumbling" that occurs during wash. the motor was as silent as ever.

As for the diagnosis of these GE tall tub machines having a hard time with dried on foods, that sounds like a compelling hypothesis; their short was times. Because the ARE shorter than alot of other water miser tall tub machines.

Running the longest, hottest wash might help out.
But we've never had cleaning issues with our Triton XL. I don't understand hearing people with cleaning problems.

I do know that GE's electronics are just as shoddy as everyone else's.
So your choices are either a shitty WP, a shitty Maytag, or a shitty GE.
Chances are with any of them, you're going to have electronics problems.
 
A question for Toggleswitch!

Just how bad is that Tall Tub Kithcenaid you have? What model number is it? Even though I should know what your answer will be,have you checked to see if it is getting enough water into the tub? Maybe it is at a bare minimum due to low pressure or a clogged strainer screen in the valve and increasing the level will help. You can probably change the fill valve to one where you can remove the flow restrictor and really fill youor KA up to where the float stops the water which gives a really nice charge of water to wash with. I did that on my Whirlpool Du950 and even those short 5-8 second washes during the purges are like a nice fast rinse between cycle portions.
 
Thanks for the suggestions Gordon, I live you live alone and usually run the dishwasher twice a week. However I do pre-rinse the really nasty stuff off. My machine has a very tiny second soap dispenser. I usually put a little detergent in that one and then fill the main one. I will try adding more to the pre-wash and see if that helps.
 

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This is strange. I love my GE TT, cleans great every time. In fact if I were to move I'd take it with me. Prior to getting this model I bought a Whirlpool, had it about a month and I actually PAID Sears to take it back - pos.

Inlet presure should have no effect on performance, so the only variable I can see is water temperature. I keep the water HOT, 140+ and during the winter it's always hot due to my furnace humidifier. I use an Aprilaire humidifier that is mounted on the cold air return and the only way to get humidity up around 40% is to use hot water. Perhaps that's the key.
 
Terry, maybe you could bake a cake and put that in each time you run it - that ought to trip the turbidity sensor into thinking the load is really nasty and it will run for longer times. For smaller loads, you could just use a cupcake ;-)

I can't wait to play with your GE in a few weeks - I'll bring the cake and frozen pizza (ala Maytag commercials) and we'll make a video for YouTube!
 
Es une gran mierda!

Just how bad is that Tall Tub KitchenAid you have?
Grit and yibbles in the upper rack nearly evey-other load. And they ARE pre-rinsed.

What model number is it?
KUDM01TJWHO

Have you checked to see if it is getting enough water into the tub?
That appears to be OK.
 
The silverware/tableware/cutlery is being RE-WASHED from a prior load because it it gritty/sandy/yucky!

I use "normal wash", "hi-temp scrub" and "energy saver dry"
The HTS adds an extra (2nd final rinse) and boosts temps a bit. Can't use hot dry or the yucckies would be baked-on forever!

This is the 2nd control panel "computer-timer" and the power vent never opened until I went in there and played Mr. Destructo.
 
and the KA was first marked $900. I got it for $450 because there is a *LOL* gash under the clean/dirty "indicator". A little white appliance paint (a la white-outstyle )and voila. sealed up nice and tight.

The basement GE Triton was reduced to $75 @ Homo Depot because it was dusty and had a dent in the lower (access)door.
 

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