Turquoisedude V Inglis - Round 3

[turquoisedude]

Down, but still not out!!

Last week, I got a call from a fellow collector and restorer in Sherbrooke (he's into the pre-50s ranges and refrigerators in a big way) and he let me know that his uncle was moving and had something that was potentially of interest to me.

Well, I grabbed it!

 

[turquoisedude]

Yep, that's a mid to late 80s Whirlpool, alright! It's a Canadian model for sure, too - note the bilingual panel text!

 

[turquoisedude]

It's had work done, too... The washer was rebuilt by my collector friend some time ago. He must have had some Kenmore parts lying around....

 

[turquoisedude]

Best of all, it had a rebuilt wide-belt WP transmission. AND, bonus, the damn thing worked! I tested the washer in agitate and spin modes and by golly it worked consistently in both.

Anyone notice something missing here??

 

[turquoisedude]

Score 5 points if you said "Missing support braces"! Not sure if that was a problem for this machine or not - it was one less thing to mess with when removing the tranny, though!

 

[turquoisedude]

Phil helped me with the removal of the bad transmission from the Inglis and helped me reinstall the 'new' WP donor one.

The reassembly went fine and yes, we used the Inglis support braces. The first test was encouraging - the washer actually agitated. But.... it wasn't spinning. The service documentation I have suggested lowering the transmission mounting bolts and retightening. It helped and we got the machine to spin... kinda...

What we also noticed was this:



That brake drum looks 'crooked' as it turns. What could be causing this and what could we do to remedy it?

I'm sooooo close to getting this dang machine running again...

 

[bradross]

The "Sterling" in the background...

Hi Paul ... that Inglis "Sterling" model looks very similar to my mom's mid-1960s "Liberator". The same graphic on the panel, but that of the "Sterling" appears to be glass - lighting up, perhaps? You didn't take that one as well?

 

[turquoisedude]

Hi Brad - actually the Inglis Sterling you see in the background is the machine that I've been working on for what seems like eternity... The photo was taken in my laundry room in Ogden! The Sterling washer also has a light-up control panel AND I have the matching dryer that I also need to do some work on (assuming I can get the **multiple expletives deleted** washer running again!).

 

[philr]

That spinning video is with all the transmission bolts loosened. If they're tight, the tub brake stay engaged and the spin clutch slips. 

 

I assume that's because of the wobbly clutches. We didn't try to readjust the nut for the brake yoke adjustment. 

 

[jeff_adelphi]

Brake springs---

At the end of your video when the spinning stops, it looks like the brake springs are at an angle. I think the the upper and lower brake hub is off by 1 tooth on the spline. When you reassemble the brake you must be sure the set screw is fully seated in the spin tube hole, you can put your finger into the spin tube and feel the end of the screw come thru the hole. I also noticed the wires to the control solinoids are not installed correctly, they must come thru the hole in top of the bracket then connect to the solinoids. The way it is you will have broken wires soon.

 

[combo52]

poor Spinning BD WP

In addition to what Jeff said, you may need to adjust the clutch control shaft nut, the visible warping or wobble you see is not a problem.

 

[philr]

Jeff, we didn't touch the set screw on the spin tube hole. Just got the whole transmission out of a machine to install in this one. I think I saw the screw you're talking about (same kind of hex screw that holds a pulley on a motor shaft?). If i understand correctly, we just have to make sure it goes through a hole in the spin shaft?

 

The tub wasn't spinning at all before I loosened the 3 screws that hold it in place (as well as the brackets that were omitted by someone who previously repaired the machine). 

 

If someone has a picture showing how the wires should go to the wigwag solenoids. That might help us! Maybe Paul knows exactly what you're talking about but I don't! I didn't disconnect or reconnect them so... I know they were passing through two round metal clips attached to the baseplate of the newer Whirlpool machine but I see just one on the Inglis. 

 

[combo52]

poor Spinning BD WP

The wig-wag wires go through a hole in the top bracket of the WW assembly directly above the shaft it is attached to, by having the wires centered better it allows them to flex as the WW moves to reduce the chance of wire breakage.

Now that machine spins somewhat with the transmission bolts slightly loosened go ahead and tighten the three 9/16" bolts and see if it works [ you do not have to tighten all the brace bolts for this test ] once these bolts are tight check to see if you have the 1/16" clearance between the top of the clutch pulley and the clutch pads with the clutch disengaged, if not adjust the nut on the clutch control shaft, [ this is the rod that the spin cam-bar slides through ].

If this does not work something else is broken or not assembled correctly and unfortunately you will have to take it apart again, or fly me to Canada, LOL

Hope this helps John L.

 

[turquoisedude]

John, what's your preferred airline?? LOL

Thanks, Jeff and John - I am determined to keep the Canadian Content in my collection!!

 

[turquoisedude]

Breaking news....

and it's good news! It looks like the Inglis is, in fact, running again!!

I need to do some more tests, but I think I've done it! The Inglis seems to be running normally now with its 'new' transmission! Details, pictures, and hopefully video to follow. In the meantime, the following bulletin was apparently dispatched via local radio station...

"Residents of the Tomifobia valley are reporting hearing loud hollers and a very badly sung parody of the hit show tune 'Everything's Coming Up Roses' echoing through the valley. The only resident along the shores of the Tomifobia river who can access his property for the winter, Yvon Roy, said 'It's probably that damn guy with all the washers working on something'. Louise Bigras, another nearby resident has been quoted as saying, 'Well, if was him, at least he didn't knock the power out THIS time'. More details as this story develops."

 

[philr]

So you removed the transmission and replaced the spring you talked to me about the correct position and that did make it work correctly?!

Great!

 

[turquoisedude]

Yes - I noticed last week that the spring in the middle of this photo was installed below the yoke plate... Boy did I kick myself for that!

Phil, I got lucky and I didn't need to completely remove the transmission as I had thought. I loosened the bolts, removed the support braces, and 'dropped' it just enough to get my shaky, clumsy hands in there.

To be fair, Hubby actually helped me with this by holding the spring down while I slipped the pin at the top of the shaft back into place. And to think, he threatened that this machine would be sent to washer heaven if I couldn't get it fixed this time! I may make a washer fan out of him yet... LOL

 

[turquoisedude]

With the number of times this poor machine has been tipped over and had it's guts yanked out, I was afraid that the tub seals might have been damaged...

Yay - I was wrong!

 

[turquoisedude]

Now, I tested the washer at least 10 times last night to make sure it was shifting from agitate to spin and back again consistently. It did so and here's how it looks with water in it! Oh, what a difference a new transmission makes... LOL

 

[turquoisedude]

Forgive the awful video, but it's spinning!!

Something on the 'still to do list' is to cheat that damn lid switch. One HAS to be able to see one's washer spinning after all...

 

[turquoisedude]

Still a few things left to do, though... I need to decide real fast if I am going to re-install the suds-saver valve (I'll need to do some creative plumbing!). The cabinet is pretty grungy from all the handling it got and I intend to repaint it this spring or summer. It seems odd, but just the cabinet and controls are the only original Inglis parts left on this washer now!

And, oh yeah, I still have to get the matched Sterling dryer back up and running again. It just needs a new motor, so hopefully that won't drag on for months like this washer did!!

I'll be trying a load of wash in this 'Whirl-glis Ken-pool' hybrid later today with any luck.

 

[kenmoreguy64]

Paul -

I just had a hearty laugh out loud when reading your "Whirl-glis-Ken-Pool" wording, thanks, I love it!!!

Your story about this machine rings so true to me, as I had a few of the same sort of history, where they were assembled and dis-assembled so many times I was afraid the threading would wear out on the gearcase bolts. But that's how you learn!!

Now you get the fun part of cleaning off your accumulation of greasy finger prints and let the machine sing and do its dance for you! Good luck with the "maiden" wash!

Gordon

 

[washdaddy]

Paul,
Congratulations on getting the Sterling back up and running. Was that a tub light I detected? If so, did the machine come equipped with it or did you add it? Or is that light shining thru from the console light.

Lastly, loved the breaking news in #14. Isn't it just grand being so popular up and down the valley? lmao

Good luck with the dryer. Hopefully it won't put you thru what the washer did.

Have a Great Day!
Rick

 

[turquoisedude]

I sent Hubby and Canyon out to play in the yard so I could get the Inglis into position for a wash test in the laundry room. The '51 Kenmore graciously moved out of the way for the Inglis, but that will only be temporary.

A quick clean up of the cabinet made me think it wasn't in such bad shape after all. It certainly looks at home in the 'slot' it first occupied when I got the washer in 2008!

Thanks for the words of encouragement Gordon! I began to wonder if this washer would ever run again...

Rick - yes, that is a tub light! I had never seen an Inglis with one until this. I do hope to replace the clear bulb with a real germicidal lamp at some point! There was a brief power hit this afternoon and I got three calls from neighbours asking "What the hell did you just plug in"... EESH!!

 

[turquoisedude]

And away we go!!



Now, this time around there was no slowing down of agitation with laundry in the machine! Good news indeed, but wait for it...

 

[turquoisedude]

Yep... here's the 'But...'

Towards the end of the final spin, I heard this squeaking or squealing sound.

My first thought was the belt, but I also wondered if perhaps the basket drive was slipping or misaligned... Any thoughts??

This will have to wait until next week, but I am so determined to get this machine going now that I did not move the 51 Kenmore back into place!! We'll see what happens next week, I guess...

 

[revvinkevin]

 

 

YAY PAUL!   Congrats on a job well done!   When's your next vacation in Sunny Southern Cal?  

 

The "squeak" does sound like a belt, but what do I know.....

 

Best of luck with it!

Kevin 

 

[kenmoreguy64]

Paul -

In the squeaking sound video, is the machine running in delicate?

I have heard similar sounds a couple times, I hope I'm wrong but it sounds like dry bearings. What happened to me a few times a while back, several installs and take-aparts allowed turbine oil in the bearings to drip out, leaving them dry, or almost so. I have noticed this too in a couple machines that have been sitting long term. The turbine oil slowly but surely over time made it past the seals, leaving the bearings dry and the basket brake pad all wet.

A quick way to find out if this is happening or not is to remove the agitator after a full spin - if the basket lock nut is uncomfortably hot, the upper bearing needs more oil. There will be some warmth there of course with tight bearings, but if you'd burn your palm, its too hot. If you remove the basket you can check the lower centerpost area as well. Same deal with that one. Unless you are sure there was lots of turbine oil in there, I'd direct my attention in that direction.

I hope there is another answer, as otherwise you'll have to remove the transmission and spin tube yet AGAIN....

Gordon

 

[turquoisedude]

Gordon, it was running on regular speed.

I would not be at all surprised that the oil may have leaked out, what with the number of times (and number of transmissions!) have been in and out of that machine.

I'll try that spin test to see how warm things get. Thanks for the advice!!

 

[kenmoreguy64]

Paul - as I was at the gym earier it dawned on me that I should have asked if this noise stops when you interrupt the spin?? The only part moving during spin that doesn't also rotate during neutral drain is the spin tube.

Should be a highly simple test if you haven't already bypassed the lid switch.

Gordon