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Which twin tub washer is the best? I've only used a Maytag A50, and I was very impressed with it, but there are others.

Pros & cons, and what's the best?

Hoover Twin Tub
Maytag A50
Easy Spin-Drier
Speed Queen

Please discuss:
Dave
 
Easy Spin-drier

I have an Easy and love it. It's the most fun machine to use. It's full size. It is amazing how much water the spinner gets out of the clothes. There is a cone shaped post in the middle of the spinner with hundreds (thousands) of holes in it through which water sprays. Does a fine job of rinsing while spinning.

Jerry Gay
 
Oh Now You've Went n' Done It!

Dave, I own all 4 of the washers that you mention. The Speed Queen being the rarest of them all. My SQ is in pieces so I can't comment on how it works, but I have several Hoovers, 2 A-50's and 2 Easy's.

As Jerry said, the Easy is a hoot, it's a spiral ramp agitator base giant twin-tub. It's portability is highly in question as neither of mine roll worth a damn even with good casters. To me, the Easy is more like a wringer washer, in terms of size and "feel". My Easy needs a replacement pump belt, but it's a neat machine. The spinner is not that fast in it, and both the Hoover and the Maytag can far out-extract it, but it IS a good rinser and I thank the "cone spray" for this. If you've never seen one, most Easy's have a slightly cone shaped center shaft in the spin can with a mesh screen on top and tiny perforation along the walls. There are 2 "faucets" if you will on the top of the machine, one for filling (small) and one for the drain (large). The fill tap swivels right over the spinning center cone and creates spray jets that seem to really get the job done. The wash side does a really good job as well with it's low water level and aggressive agitator. A good machine.

The Maytag A-50 is the ultimate in portability (US market) IMO. Coming in at a mere 24" wide and 15" deep it's tiny. Like most Maytags from this era, it's a well-built machine and certainly the heaviest smaller machine. Easily a 2 to 1 on the Hoover in weight with it's 2 big heavy induction motors and the extensive, overly built chassis. Vibration is not bad in the A-50 nor is the operation noise. Unlike the Easy and the Hoover which can vibrate a lot, the A-50 for the most part seems to balance itself quite well. The dual impellers in the wash tub are something unique and they are very aggressive. They are placed much higher in the tub than Hoover's single pulsator which is strange, but they certainly whip the soap up. My experience with the A-50 has been good. My 1st A-50 was a 1st year 1970 model that I drove to Georgia to get. At the time I didn't even know that Maytag even made a twinnie as I had never seen or heard of one. The only drawback (and coincidentally a plus as well) is the size of the machine. The wash tub is small and there is no way around that. If you are washing lighter garments such as t-shirts or light button ups or such, it's great. But larger, bulky items like heavy pants and jeans are a different story. I can get around 6-8 shirts in the machine depending on the fabric, but only 2 pairs of khakis and 1 pair of jeans at a time. To ME this is acceptable because it is a portable washer. I think for those with serious size constraints, many were pleased to just have a washer that fits in the kitchen nicely. It's also just the right height to roll under a counter and they are lets face it, adorable little things. The spinner is pretty rugged being porcelain coated and the speed is ~2000 rpm. As others have mentioned, there is no spin-rinsing with the A50. To me, this is a non issue as I have the dryer to go with the machine. Since the dryer and washer are so close in times when you have to do a deep rinse, you really don't have any downtime. Hoover's dryer is painfully slow (or at least mine is...) and one can finish 3 laundry baskets in the Hoover before the dryer finishes 1. The Maytag DE-50 takes ~60 minutes with a small laundry basket full which is impressive for me. The mechanical weak points in this machine are the poly-belt for the impellers and the drain diverter valve. Maytag used a urethane belt for the impellers, which is great until it becomes hard. I'm under the impression that use keeps it flexible in its age. If they can be found, and they still seem to be available, then you're golden. The other issue is with the pot metal diverter valve. This piece can be susceptible to soap and other wash residue build up when the machine was not properly rinsed out after use. The pot metal actuator rod disintegrates and the plunger falls off causing water to bleed into the other tub causing obvious issues.

My (best for) last entry is the Hoover. There are 2 Hoovers: Stainless steel models (pre-1970) and polypropylene tub models (post-1970). I love them both, but MY heart is with the poly-tub models of later (avocado in particular). The early machine with the SS tubs were extremely robust, and also crude. They were reliable and had serious washing power for a portable. The SS models were aside from the 110v specifics identical to the British versions. The suction style pump used on the SS models can still be had overseas as that was the style that Hoover used there until production ended in the 90's. The wash motor on the SS models (0510/0512) was huge. It was solid mounted to the frame on rubber bushings only and used an elastic belt for tensioning. It is a VERY torquey setup and requires that the lid be placed on the machine at all times unless one wants a flood. It has what seems to be a slightly larger tub than the newer models and because of the extra power of the motor can handle more clothing. The spinner is a little crude, earlier models had an dull metal spin can with a coned bottom while 1968-1970 model had the newer flat-bottomed polished aluminum can which carried on into the newer machines. The spin motor is a bit more hushed on the older models, but vibration dampening and sound levels are much worse. The SS models are good performers, but as launderess mentions (she has a 0510 SS model), they are a ride.

My favorite machine of all the twinnies however is the late 1970+ Hoovers. With all of the cool colors and the squared off goodness what's not to like :) The newer style models offered many differences from the old ones, the most notable being the plastic tubs. There is no real need in the US to have a stainless steel tub for these machines. We don't have water heaters in the machines, which was the main reason for the SS interiors of the older models. It was a shared design with the machines being made at Merthyr Tydfil at the time and polypropylene was also probably not advanced and cheap enough to be feasible for use in the late 50's anyway. The poly-tubs had different pumps, motors and introduced the automatic rinse system to the line. There were several models with the 0519 being queen of the roost. These machines used a lower rpm impeller and a slightly different shaped tub to keep the splashing to a minimum. There were 2 wash motor setups, the early one with the fixed motors and elastic belt and in 74 a smaller motor with a floating mount was introduced with a fixed belt. These machine wash really good. They hold considerably more than the A-50 and the clothes seem to move through the water more and faster. The auto-rinse feature on the 0519 is a nice feature utilizing a water sensor to automatically turn the spinner on and off. These are loud washers for the most part, but simple washers. They are lightly built, but for the most part seem to last. They're weak point is the pump bearing. These also use a different pump than the UK models and the earlier SS models, so sourcing one can be difficult. They used a pinch-valve style system. This also made the machine pump slower when draining the wash tub due the new designs ability to suck air from the spin tub while trying to drain the wash tub. This was my 1st washer and my all time favorite machine.

Whew, I'm tired of typing

-Tim

Here is a pic of my lineup that I have in the kitchen:

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Tim that was fabulous, no encyclopedia can match that!

Can Friday get any better!

I use an Easy, an A 50, and a Hoover 0519

For me the Tag and the Hoove are more like toys, while the Easy is a heavy duty washing machine. The are 1560 spray holes in the jetcone which spins at 900 rpm. The rinsing is extreme and accomplished in about 5 minutes or less. Spun for 5 minutes or a few more, the load feels as light as a Unimatic's.

Thirty years ago when I could not quickly get a replacement belt for the pump I was shocked and delighted to learn that the Hoover Vacuum belt from the standard blue model of the late 70's fit perfectly. You can probably get one easily, while the Easy pump belt is hard to find.

Enjoy telling you all that if I could only take two machines to that proverbial island, one would be an Easy, hands down. They do everything well, they're ecomomical, and they are so darn entertaining.

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H-Axis Machines in the US

I don't think we ever had them here in portable form like a twin-tub. Neat concept, but it seems to me at that point a shallow, compact automatic may do just as well? It just seems odd to me to have a spinner AND the H-axis setup, very different. The Europeans really know how to do it with full featured compact appliances, there are so many I'd love to have like a Supermatic twinnie or the Hotpoint toploader. Bosch and Bendix and Hoover made some appealing front loaders as well. Would be neat to see that AEG in action (hint hint).

-Tim
 
AEG, Zanker, Marynen, Philips etc. all had such twintubs. Miele built them too, here is a video of one. In the beginning there is the sound of the spin of another washer.

These machines work basically automatic. They do a wash and all the rinses. You tranfer the laundry to the spinner to get it dry. Disadvantage: It uses a lot of water to rinse. Advantages: Almost indistructable, hardly any parts because these machines don't need a suspension system and there is no wear on the system because the washer doesn't spin.

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Hi Guys
Well from the vast array of twin tubs that flooded the UK market from the late 50's to their demise in the early 90's I have to say, and i have tried quite a few over the years the best for me was the Hotpoint Supermatic.

The basic design changed slightly over the 30years that it ran for, but it offered a nearly perfect result every time. The main features that worked for me were the "Filter Clean" High speed spin 3100rpm, and later the 7lb wash load. The only thing that wasn't so great was the auto rinse, and i much preferred the Hoovermatic option with the swing in arm which delivered a bigger jet of water into the spin can.

We had another twin tub in the UK made by Philips which was produced for about 10 years, this is a close runner up for me..it offered a medium wash load, good spin speed, constant pump running on the spinner, which let the user rinse until clear, then spin, and a nice bulit-in discharge arm for emptying.

I have attached pics of both machines !! (1st Hotpoint Supermatic 60's model, 2nd pic Philips Top Twin)
Keith

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Interesting that Philips sold a twintub in the UK. They never sold such a machine in the Netherlands. Only later they came out with an H-axis twintub, but they never had an agitator model overhere. I guess they thought that type of twintub wouldn't sell in the Netherlands.

Also Stokvis twintubs were sold in the UK. R.S. Stokvis (later Erres) was bought up by Philips. Erres sold wringer washers, twintubs and spindriers in the Netherlands apart from a lot of other products.
 
A different style of rinsing

As a teenager I remember seeing a Hoover twin tub with a rinsing mechanism that I haven't see mentioned here. There was a hole in the spin drier lid through which a pipe delivered water continuously while the spinner cycled on and off. Was that an uniquely Australian thing?

Peter
 
Twin Tubs

Having used the 3 main brands here (Hotpoint, Hoover and Servis), they're all excellent machines, but my vote has to go for the Servis (Speed Queen in the U.S.), with Hoover a close 2nd.

The Hotpoints have a good fast spin, are quiet and have the filter pan, but the wash deck is lower than the others, so if you're tall like me it's a bit of a back breaker after a while.

The Hoovers are so fast through a wash and very interesting to watch, but they do seem to tangle slightly more, are a bit louder and spin slightly slower.

The wash action on the Servis is amazing, I'd say it's the most thorough yet the most gentle. They also seem the most well built, have a lovely stainless steel wash deck (on later models) and have the electronic pump. The only drawbacks for me are the lack of auto-rinse and a thermostat.

I don't think you can really beat any twintub for fleixibility, speed and entertainment values (for us washer enthusiasts at least!)

Matt
 
Speed Queen / Simplicity - love mine!

I've always been really pleased with the performance of my Speed Queen SuperTwin. I love the 210 degree stroke of the agitator.

I've posted pics of it before, but for those who haven't seen ...

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A couple of weeks ago while on vacation I was at my grandmother's house. She is now in long term care (102 yrs old) so the house is being cleaned out. She has a Viking twin tub which I think is similiar to Speed Queen ie. it has the agitator. I had no way to get it home otherwise I would have taken it.

Gary
 
Hey guys

Gotta love those TT's with agitators. Would love to have one.

TIM and other Hoover rinse pros:

Please share your rinse method. One of the issues with the Hoover auto rinse was finding warm clothing in the middle of the spinner after several (3-4) cold auto-rinses. How many auto rinses do you use? Do you deep rinse, too? I'm sure I'm missing something. Does the rubber mat aid in rinsing, because I usually omit it, and, loading carefully, have had no trouble with items flyin up or out of the spinner.

Thanks, always eager to learn.
 
Rubber Mat

Unless the load is mainly small items like socks and such, the mat can be omitted long as the laundry is pushed down well within the tub. Bock extractors, and indeed many commercial spinners do not have mats, instead one was supposed to push down laundry well, and or also drap a heavy item such as a towel over the lot.

Personally have not had much use for "spin rinses" in a Hoover, even though have to do it manually in my older model.

The process can work well if the spin tub is 3/4 or less full and contains mainly small or medium items that can be sloshed about so fresh water can get at them, otherwise it is as you say, items in the middle or sides tend not to be rinsed well and can feel "warm".

For items aside from sheets and tablecloths, one gives one or two (depending upon how much of the noise I can take), soaking rinses in the spinner can, then everything is either bunged into a deep rinse (Hoover wash tub), or if cheating, the Miele set to final rinse and spin.

Will say this, if one is looking for the "clean" rinsing compared to say a Miele or any other good front loading washing machine from a Hoover, be prepared to do quite allot of work, and have headache powder handy.

Twin tubs like the wringer washing system means one probably did not always rinse well, at least not acoording to standards above. It is just too much work, and cannot see it happening with several large loads of laundry to get through.
 
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