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You have to wonder if Unilever are really happy that their inferior product vastly outsells their best one. I know they probably don't care as they watch the cash roll in, but if they did, they'd only have themselves to blame really because they started the whole "non-bio equals kind to skin" claptrap in the first place.

It's strange to think how enzymes have almost become a thing to fear for some people.

Ariel used to boast about its "double biological" formula back in the day, but I don't think they'll ever mention it being biological in their advertising again, it seems like "non-bio" is the only thing manufacturers are happy to shout about. They don't even call regular Ariel "biological" on the front of the packs anymore, just "original".

Have to say, I'm surprised to see that Daz outsells Fairy. They way most supermarket shelves seem to be groaning under the amount of Fairy products compared to the small amount of space given to Daz I would've assumed that Daz was struggling, but it even outsells Persil Bio!
 
Cellulase

Yes I know it's for fibre level, not dirt.

I'm obsessed with clothes not getting bobbly, so always try to keep an eye out for detergents with Cellulase in them, and have only ever seen it in Ariel and Bold.

RE the price, Bold actually sits in the same price point as Ariel and Fairy (and for certain versions, it's actually more expensive than Ariel - this is going off standard non offer prices across the big 4 supermarkets). Only Daz and Surf sit in lower price points. Mysupermarket is really good for price checking as you can see the price fluctuations of a product for the last 12 months.

Ariel has mannanase in.
 
Dixan

Yes cellulase isn't in Ariel powder. It's in the capsules "pods", and in the Gels - all variants of each (standard/colour and febreze fresh). I'm not the biggest fan of the Gels, so for clothes I really want to keep in the best condition will use a pod. But in the main, a powder with oxygen bleach for the rest.

It's also in Bold Pods too, but got a feeling that many have changed on the reformulation done on Bold in last month or so - can't check as PG haven't uploaded the new products to info-pg.com.
 
Mannanase

What does mannanase do?Amylase breaks down starch,protease breaks down protein stains,lipase breaks down fat based stains,cellulase breaks down cellulose based micro fibrils but mannanase?What does it break down?
 
I wouldn't have said Lever Bros were directly responsible for the hype around Non-Bio. Persil was always a non-bio detergent right up until 1983. It was only on the back of Ariel Automatic hitting the shops in 82 and taking the Automatic market by storm, after P&G's original automatic detergent [Bold] failed to make the impact on the market that it was expected to, that New System Persil Automatic was launched as a direct biological rival to Ariel Auto.

The outcry only happened after Lever Bros began to phase out original Persil Automatic in favour of New System. Despite the high sales of Ariel Automatic, it seemed that older style non-bio's still had a huge market in the UK that nobody had really addressed up to that point.

The extract below is an interesting read.

Re: Daz, I often see Daz in the discount stores like Home Bargains and B&M which are becoming increasingly popular. So perhaps high sales from those shops?

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Mannanase

Breaks down guar gum - which is used as a gelling agent in things like ice cream, tomato sauces and salad dressings etc.
 
Is Persil more popular than Ariel in the UK? Aquacycle do you think Persil cleans better than Ariel? I am currently using Sainsburys colour powder which i am finding cleans well and you don't need much. I don't use Almat anymore as it never dissolved well in the draw and didn't care for the perfumes in it.
 
Persil vs Ariel

Persil THE BRAND is more popular than Ariel, but this is counting the sales of Persil Bio and Non Bio together.

If you were to count Persil Bio and Persil Non Bio separately, then Ariel bio sells the most units of detergent (and over twice as many units as Persil Bio). But Persil is looked at as a brand.

Should imagine what swings in Persil's favour, is that since the demise of Ariel Non Bio; if someone is shopping for a Non Bio, they only have a choice of Persil or Fairy (from the major brands anyway), and as Persil Non Bio is the "Original" Persil Automatic powder, this is why I would assume Persil Non Bio is the major seller in the Persil brand.

I know you asked AquaCycle, but I'll throw my 2 pennies worth in too :)

In terms of cleaning, my opinion is that there is no difference between Persil or Ariel - if there is a difference, for me, it's too close to call. Only differences I find is that Persil Bio smells stronger.

I'm sure AquaC's opinion would be Persil, it's his favourite detergent.
 
Here in Greece,I think that Skip(equivalent to Persil bio) cleans slightly better than Ariel,when it comes to stubborn stains such as tomato sauce or chocolate,and it also has a stronger aroma and I like it.I've also realized that Ariel makes clothes a little rough,something that doesn't happen with Skip.
 
Hi Ben,

Liam is spot on, Persil Bio is my detergent of choice. But I do agree that between Persil and Ariel, there isn't much in it in terms of performance.

I'm on the flip side to what Liam said, I think Ariel is the more potent of the 2. I'm not overly fond of P&G products and tend to avoid where ever possible, hence I stick to Persil. Persil also doesn't contain benzyl salicylate like Ariel does, which is something else I try to avoid.

However when it comes to buying detergents for my Mum, she's happy with either Persil or Ariel and will get whichever of those 2 is on offer. My partners parents are also loyal Ariel users (although they used to be Persil users years ago).

I personally prefer Persil, but both clean to a very high standard. Ariel dipped a bit a few years ago when they brought the stain removers out, but last time I used it at Mum's, it was back to giving excellent results again.

I'm not a fan of colour detergents though - last time I used colour powder, it was leaving underarms smelling a bit wiffy and deodorant marks behind. I also noticed a few t-shirts started to get hard underarms where the detergent wasn't shifting the sweat marks (the salt in sweat makes it go hard) so I ditched it completely. Everything gets bio powder in our house, with the exception of any delicate jumpers, t-shirts and any jeans - they get Ecover Non Bio liquid.

Has Almat started clumping up again? It did that a few years ago...well, I say a few, it must be at least 4 years ago now! They sorted it out and it was fine for ages, but it sounds like they've changed it again.

Chris
 
Ariel stain remover..

Yep, to this day I'll never understand why they launched it. I know P&G probably saw it as a way of getting the Ariel brand into shopping baskets, but I'm sure most saw it as "our detergent is shit, so you need Ariel stain remover too".

Obviously didn't pan out as hoped, as it's no longer around.

In terms of scent, why I say to me that Persil bio is stronger - I'm sure most here are aware, I buy detergent at an inordinate rate (and different ones too), and Persil Bio is the only one that fills the entire car with the scent on the way home.

Unless I'm just numb to P&G scents haha :)
 
Almat has begun to clump, the majority is flushed out but there is some hard powder around the edges. I thought it was just the water pressure. I don't mind pouring some water in the drawer though as it's excellent stuff.

As far as I know Chris, Ariel powder doesn't contain Benzyl Salicylate, only the Pods and Gels do. But I agree there is no difference performance wise between Ariel and Persil.

I'm also happy using Sainsbury's own bio powder, it cleans and whitens fantastically and removes most stains.
 
Benzyl Salicylate

What exactly is so bad about benzyl salicylate ?
The only critical thing for external use I could find on the net is the potential to develop an allergic reaction.

It occurs naturally in plants like carnation or ylang ylang and in their essential oils. Maybe natural isn`t necessarily the healthier choice? I don`t know.
 

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