Using Cascade Fryer Boil Out

[joeypete]

I finally emptied my FREE tub of Cascade pacs so I decided to purchase a case of the Fryer Boil Out because my stash of STPP is almost gone. Honestly it was a pain in the neck adding it each load so I figured I'd give the FBO a try. Well I love it...it works great. I assume it has chlorine in it? Certainly smells like it...

My main question is on dosage...should I fill the cups in my KDS-21 like I did with Cascade Complete or use less? Many reviews I've read said to use less but the reviewer didn't state how old their machine was either. Just curious if filling the cups is too much.

Thanks!

 

[tomturbomatic]

I believe I had a 21 and it only had one after rinse. If yours is like that, I would use more detergent in the first wash and maybe less in the main wash. Does yours have the purge (I always think of mother Burnside when I hear that word) after the main wash? I would stand by the machine with 4 quarts of steaming water waiting for the purge fill to stop. Then I would open the door and pour in the 4 quarts of water and quickly shut and restart the machine to give the load two rinses by making the purge an almost recirculating rinse.

 

[joeypete]

Nice, that's a great idea! Yes it only does 1 final rinse after the main wash...and it does do the purge. I think that's what cleans the filter right? I remember reading that in the manual.

 

[DADoES]

 
I dose the same as other powders.  1 tsp prewash, 3 tsp main wash.  1/2 tsp more for the prewash, 1/2 to 1 tsp more for the main wash for very heavy soil.

 

[joeypete]

Cool ok. That sounds like less than full I'd say. On the Cascade Complete powder the box says to fill the cups completely for best results. So that's what I do usually. Maybe I'll try filling them half lol. P&G loves people like me ! Hahahaha

 

[kenmore71]

i have been using Fryer Boil-out for over 2 years as though I were a standard phosphated chlorine-based detergent. It's great.

 

[joeypete]

Awesome...yeah it must have chlorine in it...though I can't tell by reading the box..doesn't specifically state anything chlorine lol. But I'm not a chemist.

I used a little less last night...filled the cups about half and it still worked great. I'm really liking it. I bought it from Officesupply.com. It was a case of 6 85oz boxes for $56 with free shipping. Not bad at all.

 

[panthera]

Official ingredients list

<ul>
<li>INGREDIENTS: Sodium Carbonate (CAS# 497-19-8, tripolypentasodium phosphate (CAS# 7758-29-4), sodium sulfate (CAS# 7757-82-6), sodium silicate (CAS# 1344-09-8), sodium dichloroisocyanurate dihydrate (CAS# 2893-78-9, water (CAS# 7732-18-5).</li>
</ul>
<span class="a-list-item" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);">The </span>sodium dichloroisocyanurate dihydrate is a source of constant chlorine.

The <span style="font-size: 12pt;">tripolypentasodium phosphate is what we simple folks like to call STTP.</span>

 

<span style="font-size: 12pt;">And that, my dears, is the reason you should not be buying enormous, heaping quantities of this stuff to store for months and months on end. Buy the six-pack with five other persons, use it and order more of the fresh product just before it runs out.</span>

 

<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Anyone who wonders why can look it up in our endless discussions on what STTP turns into very, very quickly. That horrible, no good, useless TSP! (That was snark, ladies, we all know I've long defended the TSP option for automatic dishwasher detergent when STTP was not readily available).</span>

 

<span style="font-size: 12pt;">The other ingredients are self-explanatory. I'd expect this to cake up big time if not kept very dry and used very, very quickly.</span>

 

<span style="font-size: 12pt;">At 7% available phosphate, I'd also expect even the nastiest Whirlpool piece of shit BOL builder's grade dishwasher to deliver perfect results.</span>

 

 

[joeypete]

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. My six pack will last me several months. For the most part I run my machine daily.

I thought TSP was what you would want to use in the dishwasher, but NOT in the washing machine...so how is that bad?

 

[panthera]

Joeypete,

It's not bad - Laundress clarified this in great detail a while back, it's just one of those things where the true-believers foam at the mouth.

STTP becomes TSP very quickly, and most people who have stockpiled it are really using TSP whilst singing the praises of STTP.

 

What is true is that, under certain circumstances, with some types of mineral-laden hard water, in some machines using neutral drain, with some types of soap/detergent/fabric softener and too cool wash water, it can happen, at times, that a nearly impossible to remove precipitate might, occasionally,  possibly result from using TSP.

 

Having used it for years and years and years and never, ever having had the problem, I advocated for it's use a while back and an Imperial Queen and her court just went nuclear about it.

 

Of course STTP is preferable - but anything is better than the phosphate-free trash.

 

[joeypete]

Man...

After using it for a while now I have to give some criticism. It cleans just about everything fantastic...the inside of the dishwasher looks brand new. Pots/Pans and baked on stuff however. Awful. The new Cascade has done a much better job. I had to rewash all my pots from yesterday. A little disappointing. This is the first time I've had to do that.

 

[launderess]

Trisodium Phosphate is one of the strongest "mild" alkalis with only sodium metasilicate and perhaps one other being stronger.

Unlike STPP, TSP is a precipitating water softener same as washing soda, modified soda, Borax, etc... Thus it can form scum and needs careful rinsing. TSP is also far stronger than STPP which is why it was used to for heavy duty cleaning such as walls, floors, locomotives, etc... TSP if not used properly can damage some metals.

Besides not being a non-precipitating water softener, TSP does not have the ability to dissolve lime soap scum/deposits from textiles like STPP or SHTP.

TSP was used back in the day for laundry but so was washing soda. In both cases this was largely before automatic washing machines. When using wringers, conventional washing machines, hand washing etc.. laundry is lifted *out* of the TSP/soap laden water and wrung/extracted. This means a good part of the scum, muck and whatever else was left in the wash tub. With automatic washing machines depending upon how they rinsed water drained down through the wash caused textiles to act as a strainer.

Many of these warning, rules or what have you came about when soap was queen of laundry day. With the arrival of detergents things changed especially as modern fully automatic washing machines evolved.

 

[panthera]

Laundress,

Thank you. It's astonishing what creatures of habit we all are.

Except for the cast iron, high-carbon steel knives and aluminium, everything goes into the dishwasher. No pre-rinsing or soaking or scrubbing. Really good dishwasher detergent and TSP together with 165ºF water and an orbital-arm Potscrubber and about one hour later, everything is clean as clean can be.

 

Every so often I throw in a chlorine-bleach tablet or citric-acid crystals. Clean the sump (those GE filters will, contrary to the opinion of some, stop anything bigger than a MAC truck. Really, they will) regularly. Make sure the spray arm holes and tower-of-power holes are free and clear.

 

But that's dishwashing. Laundry? I guess we just don't have the minerals here which precipitate out with TSP to form that horrid, nearly impossible to remove gunk. Then again, I always use enough really hot water and detergent (or soap, if I'm in the mood) to actually clean.