V-Zug washer arrived

[deedub]

why I changed

Broke up with the partner and gave him the option of getting new Miele for himself or having the old ones and I'd get the Zug. Thankfully he chose wisely and I got to change!
Had been wanting to for a while but couldn't justify it (and no, not the reason for the breakup but may have contributed ).
I ran the wetclean function on my work pants last night and they came out perfect. My biggest reason for getting it was the steam function it runs on the shirts wash, I don't iron so this solves that problem

Sure it's expensive ($4,300 in Aus) but it really is an amazing product. New Miele are being realeased in a week or 2 (in Aus, probably already out in Europe) at 8kg with steam function. $3,599 for the standard model and $4,999 (not a type, it really is that much) for the model with auto dosing detergent and touch screen.

I've never loved washing so much as I have this week!

 

[newwave1]

Wow what a beaut! Waaay out of my price range! lol

Ooh MikeKLondon! Your coming up my way this weekend!? I'm in Lincoln I LOVE those stainless miele's you have!

Darren

 

[bewitched]

I went several times in Switzerland to have a look at these Vzug machines. All sales persons of several stores equally selling Miele,Schulthess and Vzug machines told me that nothing can beat Miele quality. Vzug only produces few models while the other washers on their catalogues are made by Whirlpool (you can recognise them easily). That said Vzug are excellent machines but still under Miele standards for what concerns reliability and solid construction.

 

[gorenje]

"nothing can beat Miele quality"

They do only a few models, but that few models are sure exellent!

I believe that Miele as a brand is much more "commercial" then V-Zug.

I would say that it can't be such huge difference in quality standards between Miele and V-Zug.

Ingemar

 

[deedub]

"nothing can beat Miele quality"

It's early days yet, but having come from the second TOL Miele to the V-ZUG, I wouldn't agree with that statement. Just have a look at that brass fitting in the first picture as an example! I have nothing bad to say about the Miele at all, was very happy with it. But on first impressions the V-ZUG is a superior machine on most criteria.

 

[mielerod69]

Miele Supertronic on its way!!

I have decided to upgrade my W 3985 WPS to the new Supertronic. The Miele Gallery in Melbourne have just put these babies on display. I am setting up my laundry to have the AutoDos unit on a wall bracket so then I can stack the matching heat pump on top. I will post pics when I get it, but I did test drive it and it was impressive, especially the steam function. I washed 5 business shirts and one was good enough to wear without ironing. Of course it depends on the fabric type and mix.

 

[rudin1969]

I have both the Adora SLQ and the Miele Steam Care. My impressions:
VZUG:
pluses: more flexibility (thanks to separate easy care button etc), VAS gives perfect spin results (no dumbed down spin as a result of load imbalance), better rinses
minuses: build quality inferior to Miele (flimsy detergent drawer), some of the Textile programmes are useless (Jeans programme: exactly the same as Cottons, if I'm not mistaken, except higher water level in rinses, same tumbling rhythm, max spin after wash and intermediate rinses -- btw, is it true that intermediate spins are not good for denim?), not sure about fuzzy logic
MIELE
pluses: better build quality, more flexible steam programmes (the VZUG steam programme activates a default max 1200 spin and a cool down after the main wash), different 'specialty' programmes with specific tumbling rhythms etc
minuses: can be louder during spin, less flexible programming (except steam programmes), water miser (cottons), stain programmes are a question mark

The VZug adora has been tested by Choice Australia -- not sure about the validity of the test, though. Which? say they're not going to test it because it's too expensive and has a limited market potential.

 

[deedub]

comparision

Rudin,
So if you could only keep one, which would it be?
I haven't seen the new Miele with steam, I'm going to the launch next Tuesday here in South Melbourne.
David.

 

[deedub]

Choice test

They rated the Adora pretty low on rinsing ability, and that's simply just plain crap. It is the best rinsing washing machine I have ever seen, by quite some margin. 14,000 holes in the drum drilled by a ruby, gotta be a good thing.

 

[rudin1969]

Difficult choice.... I wouldn't want to let go of either
please let me know your impressions - textile programmes, fuzzy logic etc.?
Choice also rated the Adora quite low for washing ability, but they tested the 1:32 cotton programme (with default light soiling) to wash a load of heavily stained garments... Go figure :I

 

[rudin1969]

I meant the 1:15 cottons programme

 

[deedub]

Choice

do some strange things sometimes. They claim they test on the "standard" wash, but obviously they don't.

 

[deedub]

V-Zug difference

Perhaps one of the reasons the V-Zug had an unusual result in the Choice test would be that their products are built to different criteria than anything else.
Until 3 or 4 years ago V-Zug only built products for the Swiss market and didn't really pay much attention to what the rest of the world was doing. Whereas all the other brands were competing worldwide against each other and as such were competing on similar criteria.

The Swiss pride themselves, on precision, ease of use and environmental concerns, and the products reflect this. Specifically in washing machines they introduced the steam anti crease function in 2004 (I must be Swiss as I also hate ironing) and the Anti Vibration System and Wetclean in 2008 (due to high levels of apartment living and perhaps not enough dry cleaners!).

Even the control system is completely different to anything else. You first select the temperature you wish to wash at and then the fabric type which is the reverse of every other brand.

I also have the Combi Steam which follows similar principles and is completely different to the Miele/Gaggenau/Neff models. Although the new Miele has "adopted" a very similar steam generation system to that of the V-Zug.

I like the fact that the products are different, but it is really hard to compare them as they weren't built with competitors in mind. They were just built to be the best at what they wanted to achieve, rather than beat the competition. Probably why they have over 50% market share in Switzerland! They only reason they started an export program was because there sales growth was declining. No wonder with a population of 7.5 million, massive market share and reliable and long lasting product!

 

[chestermikeuk]

Zug Holy Grail Drum

Hi David, Do you have a pressurized water system, Combi Boiler etc, Any chance of posting the "Choice" reports and results please??

Ingemar, yes built like a Rolls Royce and with Rolex Swiss Precision & Quality...

Hass, I like them because they are "Different", you will never see them in the high street, they are the domain of Kitchen Specialists and Designers - And Harrods - niche market...

 

[chestermikeuk]

Excellent Rinsing I find...

The 14,000 holes makes for a great transference of water, and very quick, the other advantage is the large drum baffle which acts like a tsunami moving the water and clothes in one swoop...

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[chestermikeuk]

Vibration Absorbing System

The Zug Adora certainly makes light work of an unbalanced loads....incredible how it jets the water into the baffles at the right time....here you can see the three injector pipes

 

[chestermikeuk]

VAS System In Action

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[gorenje]

From what I know in Switzerland the water is very soft, so I assume that this washer should have a good rince cycle since it is made primary for the Switzerlan market.

I like it very much the connector for the dryer drain. That's cool, so the soft condensed water from the dryer can be reused in the washer. (or am I wrong?)

Ingemar

 

[chestermikeuk]

Washer Dryer Drain

The water from the dryer can be connected to the drain on the washer, (T-Connection) two in one, its not used for wash water...that could be a great feature!!

The Swiss have the total extreames of water from soft to hard, the Zug Ador has programmes to suit this and also for using soap or synthetic detergents, also for Laundry Additives like pre-washers etc..

 

[gorenje]

Wow! Thanks, I didn't know that about the ability to use it in soft conditions (and with soap if wanted) and in hard conditions.

Thank you for the explanation. It's really a pity that the water from the dryer is not used for the next wash. The condensed water is very soft and it would have at least a room temperature so it would be an adittional save.

Ingemar